As mentioned, should we have the Pipe and wall boosting strats on the Players Site as an accepted NBT technique? Understand this is not for Non-NBT as it involves going off road in the pipe boost cases.

Or should we create charts within the Trick / Glitch pages for those strategies; an MC3 example has been discussed before.

Again, no rush for this one, please take time to discuss and vote. I do feel any strategy should have a chart at least, thats why the additional trick charts are there, but please vote and lets see what everyone thinks.

Although these kinds of strats drive me a little away from those courses (It would take too long to master them, and I don't feel like doing so), it seems to me that we should allow all of them.

Good argument to say no! But I guess I'm the only one too bad

wxyz wrote on 01/25/17 at 14:02:34:


I remember a sub minute on MC2 NTSC using pipe boosting at the hairpin and that Neo provided us this video to watch, that was like 8 or 9 years ago on the French board, so I guess this 59"97 by a Japanese is from the same person?! But is he/she registered on the PP? And maybe I'm wrong but I think this record was a TAS.

Sami, just a precision; by Pipe boosting strats do you include every 'hit & boost' strat like hitting a pipe, hitting a wall, etc? Can you just clarify this point, I am going to vote yes to allow all of them.

It should be allowed, but only if its known as Zarkov Pipe Hitting.

http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1126481440

Regarding the MC2 vid, it was considered to most likely be a TAS due to the insanely high level of driving from an unknown player. It basically beats our flap WR by over a tenth, every lap. Of course there is a chance that it could be real (and that's not trivial!), but the time was never submitted to our rankings and we don't know the person it belongs to. Language, community and time (passing of the years) barriers don't make it any easier either. I don't think we should simply add the time to our rankings, not until we know a lot more metadata at least (including a full timesheet, as is always required).

KVD wrote on 01/26/17 at 01:22:58:


It was driven by Marisa Soutyou on SFC in 2008 and he made several PRs on other courses in the years following that, although he didn't focus on every track, just the favourites it seemed. He didn't submit the new PRs to the rankings though and the pipe boost subject was left and we kept things as they were.

wxyz wrote on 01/25/17 at 15:14:45:


Thanks Moll this is precisely the video with the pipe boosting at the hairpin I was talking, but now the only weird thing that I have to figure out is why the hell I'm convinved that Neo showed us these things 8 or 9 years ago and on the French board Well, I was probably just mistaken with something else, though.

wxyz wrote on 01/25/17 at 15:14:45:

KVD wrote on 01/26/17 at 01:22:58:

And I agree with Karel, I still think that was a TAS done by, an unknown player? Or maybe done by someone who has a high level on MC2 LB-- Neo in disguise? (this is just an example ^^) @can you just tell me who the hell is Akita Sounori and his message on Yahoo! on April 1st, 2011?

Edit: Oh ok, the 0'59"97 on MC2 NTSC JP was done by Marisa Soutyou without TAS and in 2008, so everything makes sense to me now, case closed, thanks Sami!

Holy shit man, I hope someone can still contact Marisa so that we can somehow validate him for the site. This record of him deserves to be officially recognized (if it's indeed legit)!

With a time of that magnitude from someone relatively outside of our community we're gonna maybe need more than 'just' a video though...opinions?
I seem to recall that's why the whole deal bounced in the first place, back then.  

Sami de la SMK wrote on 01/26/17 at 06:46:37:


That sounds like really promising

Sami de la SMK wrote on 01/26/17 at 05:24:22:


I believe you Sami, and after watching again his work on MC2 and as many shall be amazed personaly I'll just try not to pester if this monster has already subbed CI2, again like 8 or 9 years ago

Antistar wrote on 01/28/17 at 12:30:06:

ScouB wrote on 02/05/17 at 02:46:02:


Yep, so it's definitely the truth, and it seems like this oligarchy -the flesh and blood of this community- will remain forever as it is and I'm ok with that, and the active players and Sami also did the good job so the people are aware from his site and can come to vote here, but as we can see it's just sad that some (lots) of them are retired or inactive actually and will probably learn the news later or too late or never, but what can we do now.. nothing because we aren't tyrants to force them to come and put a vote

Motto of the day: The people who succeed are those who are aware of the rules.

ScouB wrote on 02/05/17 at 02:46:02:


Good question but when I look at the poll I get an answer but since it's not over and since Sami asked to look at how much impact these strategies will have on the current times so maybe we can start with a list of the tracks where all the different pipe-wall-iceblock-woodblock boosting strats are 100% doable but with more or less efficiency:

-MC1 DP1 GV1 BC1 MC2
-CI1 GV2 DP2 BC2 MC3
-----  CI2 VL1 BC3 MC4
-DP3 KB2 GV3 VL2 ----

Antistar wrote on 02/05/17 at 08:28:33:


"Destroy"?? I guess I'm pretty sure it will be by those who possess the tools of their destruction and remember that it started with you Antistar since you were in fact the pioneer in this way of trying new strats and you subbed the 10" barrier on CI1 years ago to see your work banned, it even started with a joke about this one, but it's amazing to see so many things starting with a joke with you and then finish to be important threads like also your topic "What ordinary/boring things happened to you today" About CI1 "SC" you persevered and so you were right because that was exactly as you said completely obscure, out of date and making absolutely no sense at all.
So, who open the next things? We know that Marisa, Chris, ScouB and surely more people discovered/opened other new ways and if there are no objections I'll also share and add my little contribution too, so I'm very confident that a lot more is coming with this strategy; basically the pipe/wall boosting is just a combo of two effects but with two different applications possible it's 'first hit & then boost' or 'first boost and then hit', and regarding the WRs of SMK I think Sami is going again to be the greatest kartjobs president that God ever created! But still depending on the polls and his final point of view obviously!

Antistar wrote on 02/05/17 at 08:28:33:


Do you remember ScouB saying "Super Myth+" but to hear "super" here and there feels like it is an overused word now why not being kinda original if the standards evolve and use things like Supra, Mega, Giga, and Tera Myth+ ^^