It's exciting to see all those new strats, even if I'll probably never get to the level where I can actually use them. To me it seems it's the natural evolution of the game, although I would understand the frustration of players who retired before they were discovered.

But again, the same can be said with NBT in general, look for example at players like Simon who is certainly one of the most skilled SMK players (in TT at least) but who didn't really use NBTs. As a result he is only ranked in the top 30.

So it's the natural order of things. As for the standards... Not too sure because I'm relatively new.
However it's my feeling that only the top skilled players will be able to use them successfully. So maybe a standard change is not warranted.

And if yes, maybe only the courses where those strats can be used should be regraded.

President Trump made a choice :

ScouB wrote on 02/18/17 at 02:21:50:




Donald Trump is the greatest President of all time!!!

ScouB wrote on 02/18/17 at 02:21:50:

lol, for once he allows something

I'm trying to wrap my head around the logic that would allow apparent glitching of the game (longboost & infinite boost of MC2?) but doesn't allow simple strategies like pipe boosting that I was trying (and failing miserably) to do back in 1995 .  Or hoping over the wall in chocolate island?  That stuff isn't even close to the level of "glitching" the game compared to those boosts.

KVD wrote on 03/10/17 at 00:47:16:


Hi Karel,

Well how does everyone feel generally after several more weeks thinking about it more? The votes were fairly one direction to include the pipe and wall boosting and CI1 wall jump as Normal route. The only major development since then on MC2 is Scoubs improved strat without pipe boosting which is interesting. What would be the difference there between the two? MC3 and MC4 otherwise have been the only other places where something has been improved with the pipe or wall boosting.

I would need to get Alex to adjust the Choco Island SC pages so the times there would be combined into the main charts. Then no other charts are needed beyond that if the above is done.

Perhaps we can agree a closing week or month if anyone else wants to test the routes further before we do any changes so we dont suddenly want to change our minds again. I remmeber on the CI1 topic you agreed on a long trial period, even if it is a year. I dont think wel need that long but it is worth checking thoroughly first what we are going to do.

Yes, I'm still comfortable with allowing the pipe boosting. In discussions elsewhere on this board and the French one, it seems most people (if not all) are comfortable as well.

The only person who would be slighted by this would be Chris Wild: I believe he had tried this strat a few years ago, and it was disallowed. Was it a WR? If yes, could the mkwrs page be adjusted?

Ok maybe we can set a closing month on this. At least for the pipe boosting and wall jumps so any last testing can be done.

Perhaps the prolonged wall boosting, (is it only possible on CI1 where it would gain any time?) could go in under the trick glitch if it is not favoured. That may need some separate discussion though?

^Nice.  

Sami de la SMK wrote on 03/10/17 at 09:10:14:


I think CI1 only, but who knows. I agree, it'd need a separate discussion.

Well, yeah, but in principle a video of the strat is already out there (GP):

If we didn't go for LB, MC2 could have been a good track for it, for flap as for 5-laps ! ^^ About CI2, the boost can stand until the finish line (with the help of releasing gas). So I don't think we can find another track for this strat.

The closing week should be the week that you beat Karel for #1 You don't wanna be the champ by this stuff do you?  

I believe a new poll is needed to gauge the verdict of the community on the extended wallride boost.

We know what the opinions are on the CI1 wall-jump SC (17 vs 9) and the pipe-tick boosts (20 vs 5!), but I feel the debate about whether or not to allow the extended wall boost is a separate one.