Johan wrote on 01/28/17 at 06:57:08:Antistar wrote on 01/27/17 at 02:27:46:ScouB wrote on 01/26/17 at 12:06:26:But we did it for MC2 IB, so what prevents us to allow these ones now ?
Apart from this point I tend to agree with you.
I don't think it's relevant to talk about something that should never been allowed that finally got removed in the end for good reasons in a thread where we focus on real strats that should have been allowed for ages. I mean, we know the pipehit thing for a decade at least, what were the reasons for disallowing it? Is it even written somewhere that those strats are SC?
The main problem for me is not about allowing them because I do think they should have always been. No, I just don't get why this had not been discussed years ago clearly, or even when Chris performed his MC3 forbidden PR.
I just don't like the fact we suddenly decide to tell "yes, you can do whatever you want with pipes and walls" in fucking 2017, when a huge part of the top players who have set the most maxed world records in the world will not find the time or motivation to push their PRs again, whereas they'd have done it at the peak at their careers if they had been told they could. I know I'm speaking for myself but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Only 4 of the cumulated PAL/NTSC top 10 players in the world are still playing and they will get a huge advantage to destroy some charts. I find this unfair and not logical at all, sorry.
As a non-NBT player, I'm not concerned at all by the pipe-hit thing but I 100% agree with Mario's point of view.
If I had been a top-player a few years ago, had pushed WRs using the allowed strats
whereas I knew more efficient strats but didn't use them because they were forbidden, I wouldn't agree with allowing them now.
But to be more pragmatic, I think the main question is: why were they forbidden years ago? And what has changed since, that would justify the rule to be changed?
What has changed ? We just all increased our level, and realized this was not just a TAS thing (only luck-based) and was just as any other NBT strat. Also not everyone was involved in the poll by that time, plus the poll results was 60%+ to allow it (*it being the PB/WH techniques), so I don't even understand why there was a statement that it was forbidden.
Also there is no mention on the TT NBT website telling explicitly this is forbidden, so in my eyes it was never officially forbidden apart from some mentions on the MB, some PRs by some karters might even have been done accidentally with these kind of strats for example but just far from WRs.
We are just launching again a discussion as our knowledge of the game is changing with the years and as there is in my eyes no real argument against these strat.
So you are of those who want to keep a rule (supposing that it was an official one) even if everything goes against it ? What's your actual opinion on the strat (regardless of if it was forbidden or not in the past) ?
Plus it seems you read Mario's post, but not mine comparing the consequences on whether the strat remained unknown for 10 years, or known but forbidden and now allowed. (Indeed for MC4 it was unknown (so not forbidden as it's not a pipehit) compared to MC3, but the consequences are the same for people like Mario etc.
Why Am I in the wrong topic again ?
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