I roleblocked John. If J-Cop is mafia then John isn't the partner, no way I would expect J-Cop to carry out the kill since he was under so much suspicion.

Also whoever used shoot please claim now and tell us if you were controlled or whatever.

Sorry, hit post too soon. Meant to also address the other part of your quote - I still believe maf used their shot N1, it's surely the most logical option to reduce town size asap? Which means a townie shot last night (in my mind), but was TvK/Dan the target?

LewisRichards wrote on 01/11/17 at 19:08:33:


Unless I was controlled

LewisRichards wrote on 01/11/17 at 19:10:46:

No, so that at least rules out a control on your action unless somebody else also rb'd me.

To start and clear out some of the confusing 42 mafia filth still lying around, I want to requote the leans I formed based on my scan report, since I think most of the same logic still fits.

Web wrote on 01/10/17 at 13:59:19:


I think all of these town leans still apply. Vinnie and Dan are obviously confirmed town, and TYG and ALAKfungo all look like strong town to me, with ALAKfungo as a stronger lean because of how hard 42 went in on him to start D2. Seems like Lafungo was the plan for his mislynch since he posted it without knowing about my maf report. Would be really odd for him to bus a previously untargeted scumbuddy (outside of Zwiebel's halfhearted lean/test for Web).

Also to start, I want to put the pressure back on J-Cop as he managed to sneak in three minutes before 42 hammered on his own death to post a few words and vote 42. That seems really convienient and maybe a coordinated play to me. J-Cop said he wanted to explain "something obvious" we were all missing, and I'd like to give him the opportunity to do that under the spotlight of my vote.

I was going to vote J-Cop here, but since only 4 votes end the day I'll wait to see his defense first. I don't want mafia members hammering their own deaths and cutting the day short again.

If anyone thinks either of my "clears" could possibly be maf, please bring up any relevant information because I wouldn't want someone to slip under the radar.

That leaves John/Lenny or Zac as the final mafia member. I'd vote Zac over John/Lenny in that scenario.

LewisRichards wrote on 01/11/17 at 19:16:55:

Keep in mind that any actions by Dan and TvK could be included (except for scan, which occurs after shoot in the priority list). So we may not be able to account for everything...

also the problem with John/Lenny potentially being mafia is while I think Lenny was noob town, we only have two posts and about 12 words on his case.

If John substituted in for mafia he gets to springboard off of Lenny's completely clean slate and potentially stealth his way to victory. There's literally nothing for us to read from John on D1 and D2 pre-my scan reveal, which is where most of the meat and interactions can be found while maf was under the radar. That's really annoying but I'm not sure what we can do about it.

It's literally impossible for John to be mafia if J-Cop is, otherwise the kill wouldn't have gone through. So I'd like to hear the "obvious" thing J-Cop was talking about and if it's nothing he should be the lynch.

but I do agree with you that it's much less likely that maf had J-Cop send in the kill due to his heavy suspicion

LewisRichards wrote on 01/11/17 at 19:32:07:


I don't see how any other scenario is even remotely possible.

So we lynch Zac now. If he's mafia we win. If he’s yown it's Alak John or Alak J-Cop. Because J-Cop and John can't be mafia. The game is actually over.

Web wrote on 01/11/17 at 19:30:58:

I very very highly doubt Dan or TvK used a shot on each other, so either one of them shot and it was controlled, or the shot came from Michele/Zac.

But we know at an absolute minimum that 2 rbs + 1 shot were used last night. We also know that there's only *at most* 1 extra shot left in the game, since Vinnie's went to the grave with him (rip ) and we don't know if the other has also gone to the graveyard...