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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #750 - 01/10/17 at 19:22:53

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42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:29:11:

Vinnie being mafia would be very convenient. If Vinnie and I are both town this game is lost.

why dont you say you are town?

Huh? I've been saying I'm town all game. Might as well make it my sig.

well, within that post you have no say telling anyone that you are rown. Yes i know you've said you are town before but why say "If i am".... this cunfused me

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #751 - 01/10/17 at 19:23:11

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:

The second alternative is that Dan is mafia and they redirected Web to a town. Seems less likely the more I think about it.

What? Either Web scanned scum intentionally (you), or he was redirected onto scum (away from you), or he's lying. It's literally impossible that Web was redirected onto a townie if he's coming out with a scum report.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #752 - 01/10/17 at 19:23:44

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:16:03:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:11:44:

I just really don't see a scenario where J-Cop is town.

I'm trying to convince myself of the same thiing, and I definitely had/have strong suspicions, but could you convince me that J-Cop is mafia? Using his posts and interactions with others?

If nothing else doesn't his voting history tell the tale? He voted Vinnie, last vote on the wagon at the very end. This vote doesn't do much, Vinnie was already leading by around six votes at the time.

He then made a push on Lenny and Lafungo, the two most inactive posters. There's not really a scenario where both of them are maf, so this is just pushing the weakest ones. He voted neither one, only voted Lafungo after I called him out on it and said I suspected m/m between them. It was really the only vote he can make, at the time the lynch was 100% between him and Lafungo.

Ever hear of the prisoner's dilemma? That's basically why J-Cop had to vote Lafungo.

You're pretty sure that if I'm mafia that J-Cop has to be my partner. And I'll be the first to admit the deck is stacked against me. But in what world is he town? Seriously? You lynch me and I'm town, that doesn't mean squat about J-Cop's alignment. The chance of him being mafia is more likely and again I can still confirm my role.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #754 - 01/10/17 at 19:24:11

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:07:53:

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42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:58:18:

Does anyone here actually see a world where J-Cop is town?

i do, but that is to a very low %, so i also want to ask you, why are you acting all spastic after someone scans you?

Omfg Zac, read the game and then post something intelligent please. What reason do you have to not vote a scanned mafia member?

sorry, just wanted more info on what really hap:ened as i also continue to read the thread :p

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #755 - 01/10/17 at 19:24:18

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:

Here's what I THINK happened. It's not 100% but it makes the most sense from my point of view.

Vinnie scanned Web, was redirected to some town.
Web is mafia, has leverage, can safely guilty me. If I'm lynched he still has a failsafe now by claiming Dan is mafia.
Dan is town and his scan is legit.

The problem I have with what you're saying, is that Web came out literally right at the start of the day with a pretty long post discussing mafia scans. I'm inclined to believe that unless he and Vinnie are on a team, he isn't fake claiming his scan, because he appears to have been setting himself up to claim his scan from right at the start of the day, even before Vinnie claims that he is clean.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #756 - 01/10/17 at 19:26:14

johnboy81918 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:23:11:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:

The second alternative is that Dan is mafia and they redirected Web to a town. Seems less likely the more I think about it.

What? Either Web scanned scum intentionally (you), or he was redirected onto scum (away from you), or he's lying. It's literally impossible that Web was redirected onto a townie if he's coming out with a scum report.

My bad, meant to say redirected Web to a scum. I'm tired ok? I think it's more likely Vinnie was redirected to a town because Vinnie 100% uses a night action. If he's vig he shoots town, if he's cop he checks "town" and can falsely clear mafia, if he's blocker he blocks a town, redirect gets confusing, and if he's doctor he docs town over mafia which hardly changes the course of the game. With that said I don't know why they wouldn't redirect Vinnie onto town. Pros outweigh the cons.

Alternatively Vinnie is mafia but I think my theory makes the most sense, at least to me.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #757 - 01/10/17 at 19:28:41

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:23:44:

You're pretty sure that if I'm mafia that J-Cop has to be my partner. And I'll be the first to admit the deck is stacked against me. But in what world is he town? Seriously? You lynch me and I'm town, that doesn't mean squat about J-Cop's alignment. The chance of him being mafia is more likely and again I can still confirm my role.

I'm not completely sure that I believe you're J-Cop's partner. I initially wanted to lynch J-Cop because he fits into a lot of worlds. However, there are definitely worlds where J-Cop is town (you said you can't think of any). You want one? I'll come up with a random quick one - you, TvK, John(Lenny) as maf team. Give me a solid, 100% reason from my perspective why that can't be the team.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #758 - 01/10/17 at 19:28:58

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:21:43:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:

Here's what I THINK happened. It's not 100% but it makes the most sense from my point of view.

Vinnie scanned Web, was redirected to some town.
Web is mafia, has leverage, can safely guilty me. If I'm lynched he still has a failsafe now by claiming Dan is mafia.
Dan is town and his scan is legit.

The four night actions were maf's vig shot, maf's redirect on Vinnie, Vinnie's scan, and Dan's scan.

The second alternative is that Dan is mafia and they redirected Web to a town. Seems less likely the more I think about it.

The third alternative is Vinnie is mafia and just faking all this crap. If that's true we have the answer in 12 hours.

To me the team is probably Web/J-Cop/Lafungo, maybe Zac would replace one of those, except for Web, if this isn't the whole team.

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense for you to go after Web then? This whole J-Cop voting seems like you're trying to confuse town and misdirect us from where we should be looking. It also helps you ofcourse that a couple of others still have their vote on J-Cop.

Speaking of that, Dan would you mind unvoting J-Cop?

I'm going to quote this again so that everybody sees it. 42 is trying to ead us away from where we should look. If he's town, he should be looking at who lied between Dan and Web (and he already said Web is by far the most likely). Bringing J-Cop into this discussion is only misdirection. I'm not saying J-Cop can't be mafia, I actually believe that this can be a case of elaborate bussing, but we have to respect the night actions and the claims today. We CANNOT choose to go outside of the people that either claimed or got scanned.

And out of these people, it takes the fewest questions or presumptions to believe that 42 is the mafia member in the equasion.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #759 - 01/10/17 at 19:29:03

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:24:18:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:

Here's what I THINK happened. It's not 100% but it makes the most sense from my point of view.

Vinnie scanned Web, was redirected to some town.
Web is mafia, has leverage, can safely guilty me. If I'm lynched he still has a failsafe now by claiming Dan is mafia.
Dan is town and his scan is legit.

The problem I have with what you're saying, is that Web came out literally right at the start of the day with a pretty long post discussing mafia scans. I'm inclined to believe that unless he and Vinnie are on a team, he isn't fake claiming his scan, because he appears to have been setting himself up to claim his scan from right at the start of the day, even before Vinnie claims that he is clean.

Why do you think he can't set himself up to out a guilty? If he decides it's not optimal to out a scan he can just dismiss it, and I doubt anyone picks up on him going to hint at a scan. I'm probably talking in a jumbled mess by now. It's certainly something I'd do if I was scum. If I decide to out a report I can use my "look guys I was softing it all day" as an excuse and if I decide not to out a report I can just pretend I didn't soft anything and just had an fos on X.

It's not that advanced of a play, really. I've seen better moves from first time players. Especially if he's being coached by someone.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #760 - 01/10/17 at 19:30:26

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:28:58:

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:21:43:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:

Here's what I THINK happened. It's not 100% but it makes the most sense from my point of view.

Vinnie scanned Web, was redirected to some town.
Web is mafia, has leverage, can safely guilty me. If I'm lynched he still has a failsafe now by claiming Dan is mafia.
Dan is town and his scan is legit.

The four night actions were maf's vig shot, maf's redirect on Vinnie, Vinnie's scan, and Dan's scan.

The second alternative is that Dan is mafia and they redirected Web to a town. Seems less likely the more I think about it.

The third alternative is Vinnie is mafia and just faking all this crap. If that's true we have the answer in 12 hours.

To me the team is probably Web/J-Cop/Lafungo, maybe Zac would replace one of those, except for Web, if this isn't the whole team.

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense for you to go after Web then? This whole J-Cop voting seems like you're trying to confuse town and misdirect us from where we should be looking. It also helps you ofcourse that a couple of others still have their vote on J-Cop.

Speaking of that, Dan would you mind unvoting J-Cop?

I'm going to quote this again so that everybody sees it. 42 is trying to ead us away from where we should look. If he's town, he should be looking at who lied between Dan and Web (and he already said Web is by far the most likely). Bringing J-Cop into this discussion is only misdirection. I'm not saying J-Cop can't be mafia, I actually believe that this can be a case of elaborate bussing, but we have to respect the night actions and the claims today. We CANNOT choose to go outside of the people that either claimed or got scanned.

And out of these people, it takes the fewest questions or presumptions to believe that 42 is the mafia member in the equasion.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #761 - 01/10/17 at 19:30:47

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:26:14:

johnboy81918 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:23:11:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:

The second alternative is that Dan is mafia and they redirected Web to a town. Seems less likely the more I think about it.

What? Either Web scanned scum intentionally (you), or he was redirected onto scum (away from you), or he's lying. It's literally impossible that Web was redirected onto a townie if he's coming out with a scum report.

My bad, meant to say redirected Web to a scum. I'm tired ok? I think it's more likely Vinnie was redirected to a town because Vinnie 100% uses a night action. If he's vig he shoots town, if he's cop he checks "town" and can falsely clear mafia, if he's blocker he blocks a town, redirect gets confusing, and if he's doctor he docs town over mafia which hardly changes the course of the game. With that said I don't know why they wouldn't redirect Vinnie onto town. Pros outweigh the cons.

Alternatively Vinnie is mafia but I think my theory makes the most sense, at least to me.

I've already posted multiple times that I think scum would absolutely use a control action on town!Vinnie. *in that scenario* I'd agree that one of Dan/Web has given a fake scan report.

However, I'm more inclined to believe that Vinnie is scum, since in the scenario where Vinnie is town, then we should *very actively* be pursuing Web/Dan, not J-Cop. Thoughts everyone?

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #762 - 01/10/17 at 19:31:12

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:24:18:

The problem I have with what you're saying, is that Web came out literally right at the start of the day with a pretty long post discussing mafia scans. I'm inclined to believe that unless he and Vinnie are on a team, he isn't fake claiming his scan, because he appears to have been setting himself up to claim his scan from right at the start of the day, even before Vinnie claims that he is clean.

Thanks Dan, I think this is one of the most important points that some have overlooked. If you look at my next few posts that day they also move in a pretty accusing direction towards 42 from the mostly ambivalence/slight town lean I had on him D1.

I'm off for the night, I'll definitely be back on before the EoD to see what the voting status is.

One final comment for 42 and the rest of the town.
42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:

Vinnie scanned Web, was redirected to some town.
Web is mafia, has leverage, can safely guilty me. If I'm lynched he still has a failsafe now by

Assuming I'm mafia, why do you think I'd concoct a fake scan and pick you as my push for a mislynch D2 over other players? It's not the easiest path to take as mafia, and mafia typically prefer easier targets. Dan has played with me as a mafia teammate before so he knows some of my playstyle in that role, and I find it hard to believe maf!Web going after arguably the most experienced player in the game D2 to try and get him lynched.

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Reply #763 - 01/10/17 at 19:31:15

Web wrote on 01/09/17 at 19:06:37:

well shit...I'd hope that maf had a spare kill action as I think using a kill action as town N1 isn't the best move.

During N1 I was trying to think about how and if/when we should reveal night actions/reports. I wasn't online to respond to your post #398 Dan but I agree that a scan was probably the best/safest action to perform this night.

My opinion is that any scans that come back mafia should be reported, as even though they could have been controlled and misdirected by the mafia it's best to get any information that could potentially uncover mafia out before that player is killed.

Players can only scan once so "roleclaiming" in this sense isn't anywhere near as damaging as a cop claim in a normal game. There are multiple "cops" that lose the usual benefits of that role immediately after its use. We know that there are five total scans distributed among all players, so it's unlikely that the mafia could correctly pick the town players scanning and control their actions.

The obvious downsides are mafia/town control actions confusing the report or mafia members making fake claims, but I feel like the advantages outweigh these. I'm less confident in the positives of revealing town scans as they won't really lead to players under pressure or claimants forced to defend their claims.

Anyone have thoughts about this?

Also, while I do think Lenny is a useless player from what he's demonstrated so far and he's a "safe" lynch today, I don't think we should spend much (if any) time discussing him today unless he actually shows up. He had no interactions with players outside of Vinnie (which wasn't an interaction as much as a vote and leave) and we'll now find out Vinnie's affiliation at the end of D2.

This was the first post of day 2 made by anyone other than Shock. Does anyone not believe Web that he was setting up his mafia scan claim from the very first post of the day?

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #764 - 01/10/17 at 19:31:38

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:28:58:

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:21:43:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:

Here's what I THINK happened. It's not 100% but it makes the most sense from my point of view.

Vinnie scanned Web, was redirected to some town.
Web is mafia, has leverage, can safely guilty me. If I'm lynched he still has a failsafe now by claiming Dan is mafia.
Dan is town and his scan is legit.

The four night actions were maf's vig shot, maf's redirect on Vinnie, Vinnie's scan, and Dan's scan.

The second alternative is that Dan is mafia and they redirected Web to a town. Seems less likely the more I think about it.

The third alternative is Vinnie is mafia and just faking all this crap. If that's true we have the answer in 12 hours.

To me the team is probably Web/J-Cop/Lafungo, maybe Zac would replace one of those, except for Web, if this isn't the whole team.

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense for you to go after Web then? This whole J-Cop voting seems like you're trying to confuse town and misdirect us from where we should be looking. It also helps you ofcourse that a couple of others still have their vote on J-Cop.

Speaking of that, Dan would you mind unvoting J-Cop?

I'm going to quote this again so that everybody sees it. 42 is trying to ead us away from where we should look. If he's town, he should be looking at who lied between Dan and Web (and he already said Web is by far the most likely). Bringing J-Cop into this discussion is only misdirection. I'm not saying J-Cop can't be mafia, I actually believe that this can be a case of elaborate bussing, but we have to respect the night actions and the claims today. We CANNOT choose to go outside of the people that either claimed or got scanned.

And out of these people, it takes the fewest questions or presumptions to believe that 42 is the mafia member in the equasion.

I DID vote Web. And that was when he had no votes. Did you miss that? The only reason I pulled off and went onto J-Cop is because not only do I think he's scum, but it's the only person with votes whom I can get lynched. Better him than me. I know I'm 100% town, even if J-Cop is somehow town he's far from 100% town to me. If Web gets any legit wagon I'll vote him. If Dan gets any legit wagon I'll vote him. If freaking John gets a legit wagon I'll vote him. I can't say I'd do much different as scum either.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #766 - 01/10/17 at 19:33:11

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:31:15:

Web wrote on 01/09/17 at 19:06:37:

well shit...I'd hope that maf had a spare kill action as I think using a kill action as town N1 isn't the best move.

During N1 I was trying to think about how and if/when we should reveal night actions/reports. I wasn't online to respond to your post #398 Dan but I agree that a scan was probably the best/safest action to perform this night.

My opinion is that any scans that come back mafia should be reported, as even though they could have been controlled and misdirected by the mafia it's best to get any information that could potentially uncover mafia out before that player is killed.

Players can only scan once so "roleclaiming" in this sense isn't anywhere near as damaging as a cop claim in a normal game. There are multiple "cops" that lose the usual benefits of that role immediately after its use. We know that there are five total scans distributed among all players, so it's unlikely that the mafia could correctly pick the town players scanning and control their actions.

The obvious downsides are mafia/town control actions confusing the report or mafia members making fake claims, but I feel like the advantages outweigh these. I'm less confident in the positives of revealing town scans as they won't really lead to players under pressure or claimants forced to defend their claims.

Anyone have thoughts about this?

Also, while I do think Lenny is a useless player from what he's demonstrated so far and he's a "safe" lynch today, I don't think we should spend much (if any) time discussing him today unless he actually shows up. He had no interactions with players outside of Vinnie (which wasn't an interaction as much as a vote and leave) and we'll now find out Vinnie's affiliation at the end of D2.

This was the first post of day 2 made by anyone other than Shock. Does anyone not believe Web that he was setting up his mafia scan claim from the very first post of the day?

Well look at it like this, do you think if Web never claimed any sort of scan today, that you would look back, see this post, and think Web was mafia trying to set this up just in case? It's so subtle even I would probably miss it.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #767 - 01/10/17 at 19:35:15

johnboy81918 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:30:47:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:26:14:

johnboy81918 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:23:11:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:

The second alternative is that Dan is mafia and they redirected Web to a town. Seems less likely the more I think about it.

What? Either Web scanned scum intentionally (you), or he was redirected onto scum (away from you), or he's lying. It's literally impossible that Web was redirected onto a townie if he's coming out with a scum report.

My bad, meant to say redirected Web to a scum. I'm tired ok? I think it's more likely Vinnie was redirected to a town because Vinnie 100% uses a night action. If he's vig he shoots town, if he's cop he checks "town" and can falsely clear mafia, if he's blocker he blocks a town, redirect gets confusing, and if he's doctor he docs town over mafia which hardly changes the course of the game. With that said I don't know why they wouldn't redirect Vinnie onto town. Pros outweigh the cons.

Alternatively Vinnie is mafia but I think my theory makes the most sense, at least to me.

I've already posted multiple times that I think scum would absolutely use a control action on town!Vinnie. *in that scenario* I'd agree that one of Dan/Web has given a fake scan report.

However, I'm more inclined to believe that Vinnie is scum, since in the scenario where Vinnie is town, then we should *very actively* be pursuing Web/Dan, not J-Cop. Thoughts everyone?

I tried to get people on Web. No one went for it, now votes are on J-Cop, at the moment it seems like it's the only way I live and it's not likely J-Cop is town anyway. If you're willing to go with Web I'll go with it too. Don't think I'm not willing. I'm really in an "as long as it's not me" mindset now. I'd have the same mindset as scum or as town so I don't think my current mindset is really alignment indicative.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #770 - 01/10/17 at 19:37:24

johnboy81918 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:35:18:

I doubt Web was trying to set that up, way too risky depending on how many night actions get claimed...

Except Shock already outed 4 night actions. If Web is mafia he knows 2 of them came from scum, so he can just use the scum's night action to cover for his own "cop" action. So that theory holds no water.

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42 Karter Offline worships 2930 kartgods	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #771 - 01/10/17 at 19:39:07 Four night actions, one of which is confirmed to be a maf vigshot. No maf is going to claim the redirector action, it would be suicide. With this in mind, Web can safely out a cop scan regardless of how many night actions there are, since he can cover it under the maf's redirector action.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #772 - 01/10/17 at 19:39:09

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:29:03:

Why do you think he can't set himself up to out a guilty? If he decides it's not optimal to out a scan he can just dismiss it, and I doubt anyone picks up on him going to hint at a scan. I'm probably talking in a jumbled mess by now. It's certainly something I'd do if I was scum. If I decide to out a report I can use my "look guys I was softing it all day" as an excuse and if I decide not to out a report I can just pretend I didn't soft anything and just had an fos on X.

It's not that advanced of a play, really. I've seen better moves from first time players. Especially if he's being coached by someone.

It's possible that he could do that, but for you it should be a lot more likely that they are partners than that Vinnie is town and just so happened to scan Web and get redirected. The odds of all that happening are almost impossibly low.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #773 - 01/10/17 at 19:42:01

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:37:24:

johnboy81918 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:35:18:

I doubt Web was trying to set that up, way too risky depending on how many night actions get claimed...

Except Shock already outed 4 night actions. If Web is mafia he knows 2 of them came from scum, so he can just use the scum's night action to cover for his own "cop" action. So that theory holds no water.

Just for clarity: I forgot to report the number of night actions when announcing the start of Day 2. Web's first post of Day 2 precedes the time at which I revealed the total number of Night abilities used.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #774 - 01/10/17 at 19:42:16

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:39:09:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:29:03:

Why do you think he can't set himself up to out a guilty? If he decides it's not optimal to out a scan he can just dismiss it, and I doubt anyone picks up on him going to hint at a scan. I'm probably talking in a jumbled mess by now. It's certainly something I'd do if I was scum. If I decide to out a report I can use my "look guys I was softing it all day" as an excuse and if I decide not to out a report I can just pretend I didn't soft anything and just had an fos on X.

It's not that advanced of a play, really. I've seen better moves from first time players. Especially if he's being coached by someone.

It's possible that he could do that, but for you it should be a lot more likely that they are partners than that Vinnie is town and just so happened to scan Web and get redirected. The odds of all that happening are almost impossibly low.

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Do you think Vinnie would never be redirected as town? He's basically 100% guaranteed N1 to use a night action. If Vinnie is mafia with Web it's sort of a suicidal move to out an innocent report on Web, they're sacrificing a whole lot of credibility just to get my lynch across. I think it's more likely they redirected Vinnie onto a town and his report's fake. I admit it's low, but it's the highest from my point of view.

Do you think I have a higher chance to flip maf than J-Cop though? Really? There isn't a scenario where he's town. Give me one.

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