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Reply #725 - 01/10/17 at 18:38:02
 
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@Dan why is your vote still on J-Cop if you believe that lynching 42 is the best option?


I still want to re-examine the day with a clear head.  42, I think you've made your point.  Now, can you allow me/us some time to just re-examine the day without saying anything else for at least a little bit of time?  Take the time to re-examine the day yourself.  Allow things to settle for a bit so everyone can read the day with a clear head.
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Reply #726 - 01/10/17 at 18:43:34
 
I’m going to sleep soon. I should be back for the last few hours of EoD.

We’re getting the info of 2 lynch targets today, shouldn’t we discuss what our Vigilante should do based on the flips?
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Reply #727 - 01/10/17 at 18:45:48
 
DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:38:02:
Vinnie927 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:36:08:
@Dan why is your vote still on J-Cop if you believe that lynching 42 is the best option?


I still want to re-examine the day with a clear head.  42, I think you've made your point.  Now, can you allow me/us some time to just re-examine the day without saying anything else for at least a little bit of time?  Take the time to re-examine the day yourself.  Allow things to settle for a bit so everyone can read the day with a clear head.


I will do that if it's affecting you and the others that badly. Just keep an open mind about me, if you are town, that's all I'm really asking. I don't want this game to be 100% screwed over. You're all going to be at a loss for what to do if I'm town, that's the problem I'm having here. I think I deserve that justice.
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Reply #728 - 01/10/17 at 18:49:15
 
I’m going to sleep. Will be back when I wake up.

I don’t like John’s and Zac’s inactivity…
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Reply #729 - 01/10/17 at 18:49:25
 
42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:45:48:
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Vinnie927 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:36:08:
@Dan why is your vote still on J-Cop if you believe that lynching 42 is the best option?


I still want to re-examine the day with a clear head.  42, I think you've made your point.  Now, can you allow me/us some time to just re-examine the day without saying anything else for at least a little bit of time?  Take the time to re-examine the day yourself.  Allow things to settle for a bit so everyone can read the day with a clear head.


I will do that if it's affecting you and the others that badly. Just keep an open mind about me, if you are town, that's all I'm really asking. I don't want this game to be 100% screwed over. You're all going to be at a loss for what to do if I'm town, that's the problem I'm having here. I think I deserve that justice.


Why don't you re-examine today and yesterday from before the claim and tell us what you see?
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Reply #730 - 01/10/17 at 18:53:59
 
DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:49:25:
42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:45:48:
DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:38:02:
Vinnie927 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:36:08:
@Dan why is your vote still on J-Cop if you believe that lynching 42 is the best option?


I still want to re-examine the day with a clear head.  42, I think you've made your point.  Now, can you allow me/us some time to just re-examine the day without saying anything else for at least a little bit of time?  Take the time to re-examine the day yourself.  Allow things to settle for a bit so everyone can read the day with a clear head.


I will do that if it's affecting you and the others that badly. Just keep an open mind about me, if you are town, that's all I'm really asking. I don't want this game to be 100% screwed over. You're all going to be at a loss for what to do if I'm town, that's the problem I'm having here. I think I deserve that justice.


Why don't you re-examine today and yesterday from before the claim and tell us what you see?


May as well, I have a bit of a headache after all that though. It's not often I have to go full on defense like that.

I think I had you/TvK as townleans, J-Cop and Lafungo, now ALAKTORN, as potentially m/m, and Lenny, now John, as a stupid town. I think if you go back to earlier in the day before the scan on me that I posted my thoughts on those.
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Reply #731 - 01/10/17 at 18:58:18
 
Does anyone here actually see a world where J-Cop is town?
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Reply #732 - 01/10/17 at 19:02:20
 
42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:58:18:
Does anyone here actually see a world where J-Cop is town?


i do, but that is to a very low %, so i also want to ask you, why are you acting all spastic after someone scans you?
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Reply #733 - 01/10/17 at 19:02:46
 
☆ᓂ wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:02:20:
42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:58:18:
Does anyone here actually see a world where J-Cop is town?


i do, but that is to a very low %, so i also want to ask you, why are you acting all spastic after someone scans you?


% of about 10-20
and this will allow me to chose a vote after i get a little more off of you
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Reply #734 - 01/10/17 at 19:06:35
 
Vinnie927 wrote on 01/09/17 at 20:20:12:
I just checked the board for a minute before going to sleep.

I didn't know what to do with my powers, scan or shoot.  I used my scan on web, and he's town.

I'll come back tomorrow (~16 hours maybe) and make some more posts


This is Vinnie's initial web scan claim...

Question for everyone, is there a world that Vinnie makes this claim as mafia and Web is town?  It seems unlikely to me.
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Reply #735 - 01/10/17 at 19:06:52
 
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Vinnie being mafia would be very convenient. If Vinnie and I are both town this game is lost.

why dont you say you are town?
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Reply #736 - 01/10/17 at 19:07:19
 
☆ᓂ wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:02:46:
☆ᓂ wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:02:20:
42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:58:18:
Does anyone here actually see a world where J-Cop is town?


i do, but that is to a very low %, so i also want to ask you, why are you acting all spastic after someone scans you?


% of about 10-20
and this will allow me to chose a vote after i get a little more off of you


Of course I'm going to be defensive after I'm town and get false guitied (whether or not Web's got a legit scan and was redirected and Dan's mafia I do not know). I mean put yourself in my shoes for a second. You're town, you get guiltied by someone. Do you expect me to be calm about it?
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Reply #737 - 01/10/17 at 19:07:53
 
☆ᓂ wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:02:20:
42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:58:18:
Does anyone here actually see a world where J-Cop is town?


i do, but that is to a very low %, so i also want to ask you, why are you acting all spastic after someone scans you?


Omfg Zac, read the game and then post something intelligent please. What reason do you have to not vote a scanned mafia member?
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Reply #738 - 01/10/17 at 19:08:01
 
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Vinnie being mafia would be very convenient. If Vinnie and I are both town this game is lost.

why dont you say you are town?


Huh? I've been saying I'm town all game. Might as well make it my sig.
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Reply #739 - 01/10/17 at 19:09:04
 
DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:06:35:
Vinnie927 wrote on 01/09/17 at 20:20:12:
I just checked the board for a minute before going to sleep.

I didn't know what to do with my powers, scan or shoot.  I used my scan on web, and he's town.

I'll come back tomorrow (~16 hours maybe) and make some more posts


This is Vinnie's initial web scan claim...

Question for everyone, is there a world that Vinnie makes this claim as mafia and Web is town?  It seems unlikely to me.


The only world in which I see this is possible is if Vinnie was coached by a more experienced mafia member. So far, I'm discounting this world, because I strongly believe Vinnie is town.
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Reply #740 - 01/10/17 at 19:10:04
 
If Vinnie is scum, what do we then make of the "scan" on Web? Is it truly outing a townie, or is it the worst m/m cover in history? I'd lean toward the former, since I can't believe the scum team would decide to use the fake "report" on one of their own. So if Vinnie is scum, I'm inclined to believe that Web is town.

However, back to my original post where Vinnie is town, I still find it hard to fathom that the scum team would NOT control Vinnie, which means one of the scans (Dan/Web) is fake. I can tell I'm the only one who thinks that scum would control town!Vinnie, but it is what it is.

Given a choice between these scenarios, I'm more inclined to believe that Vinnie is scum and gave us a report just to show use of a night action. However, this potentially means scum used 2 actions last night, since only Web/Dan have also claimed night activity. Could the actions have been: Web scan, Dan scan, and a shot+something else from scum?
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Reply #741 - 01/10/17 at 19:11:39
 
TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:09:04:
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Vinnie927 wrote on 01/09/17 at 20:20:12:
I just checked the board for a minute before going to sleep.

I didn't know what to do with my powers, scan or shoot.  I used my scan on web, and he's town.

I'll come back tomorrow (~16 hours maybe) and make some more posts


This is Vinnie's initial web scan claim...

Question for everyone, is there a world that Vinnie makes this claim as mafia and Web is town?  It seems unlikely to me.


The only world in which I see this is possible is if Vinnie was coached by a more experienced mafia member. So far, I'm discounting this world, because I strongly believe Vinnie is town.


I'm sure I missed it in this ocean of posts to go through, what makes you so sure that Vinnie is town?  Based on the way I'm reading the game, the most likely scenario to me is Web/Vinnie town, 42 mafia, so I'm not saying you're wrong.  Can you tell me what makes you so sure though?
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Reply #742 - 01/10/17 at 19:11:44
 
I just really don't see a scenario where J-Cop is town.

And I don't know why J-Cop and Lafungo couldn't be m/m. Lafungo and J-Cop both pushed Lenny, which if they are both maf makes Lenny town. Lafungo voted me totally out of left field with an insincere vote, J-Cop only voted Lafungo after I called him out on it. If it's m/m last mafia is Web/Dan, probably Web. Redirecting Vinnie to a town makes sense since he 100% uses a cop or vig action if he has one.

There's like no scenario here where J-Cop is town. If I'm mafia, and you think me/J-Cop team makes so much sense, what's the harm in lynching J-Cop my apparent super obvious partner?
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Reply #743 - 01/10/17 at 19:13:23
 
johnboy81918 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:10:04:
If Vinnie is scum, what do we then make of the "scan" on Web? Is it truly outing a townie, or is it the worst m/m cover in history? I'd lean toward the former, since I can't believe the scum team would decide to use the fake "report" on one of their own. So if Vinnie is scum, I'm inclined to believe that Web is town.

However, back to my original post where Vinnie is town, I still find it hard to fathom that the scum team would NOT control Vinnie, which means one of the scans (Dan/Web) is fake. I can tell I'm the only one who thinks that scum would control town!Vinnie, but it is what it is.

Given a choice between these scenarios, I'm more inclined to believe that Vinnie is scum and gave us a report just to show use of a night action. However, this potentially means scum used 2 actions last night, since only Web/Dan have also claimed night activity. Could the actions have been: Web scan, Dan scan, and a shot+something else from scum?


Last scenario is only possible if Vinnie is scum. One of Vinnie/Web/Dan is 100% confirmed to me and I think it's overwhelmingly likely that it's not Vinnie.
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Reply #744 - 01/10/17 at 19:15:40
 
42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:11:44:
I just really don't see a scenario where J-Cop is town.

And I don't know why J-Cop and Lafungo couldn't be m/m. Lafungo and J-Cop both pushed Lenny, which if they are both maf makes Lenny town. Lafungo voted me totally out of left field with an insincere vote, J-Cop only voted Lafungo after I called him out on it. If it's m/m last mafia is Web/Dan, probably Web. Redirecting Vinnie to a town makes sense since he 100% uses a cop or vig action if he has one.

There's like no scenario here where J-Cop is town. If I'm mafia, and you think me/J-Cop team makes so much sense, what's the harm in lynching J-Cop my apparent super obvious partner?


cause some think your more of a maf then he is + he still needs to explain so not all is over yet....
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Reply #745 - 01/10/17 at 19:16:03
 
42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:11:44:
I just really don't see a scenario where J-Cop is town.


I'm trying to convince myself of the same thiing, and I definitely had/have strong suspicions, but could you convince me that J-Cop is mafia?  Using his posts and interactions with others?
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Reply #746 - 01/10/17 at 19:18:15
 
Here's what I THINK happened. It's not 100% but it makes the most sense from my point of view.

Vinnie scanned Web, was redirected to some town.
Web is mafia, has leverage, can safely guilty me. If I'm lynched he still has a failsafe now by claiming Dan is mafia.
Dan is town and his scan is legit.

The four night actions were maf's vig shot, maf's redirect on Vinnie, Vinnie's scan, and Dan's scan.

The second alternative is that Dan is mafia and they redirected Web to a town. Seems less likely the more I think about it.

The third alternative is Vinnie is mafia and just faking all this crap. If that's true we have the answer in 12 hours.

To me the team is probably Web/J-Cop/Lafungo, maybe Zac would replace one of those, except for Web, if this isn't the whole team.
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Reply #747 - 01/10/17 at 19:18:52
 
Alternatively could someone highlight the posts for me on D1 and D2 that led so many people to think Web is mafia?  I never looked as deeply at him as I have some other people.
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Reply #748 - 01/10/17 at 19:19:08
 
DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:11:39:
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DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:06:35:
Vinnie927 wrote on 01/09/17 at 20:20:12:
I just checked the board for a minute before going to sleep.

I didn't know what to do with my powers, scan or shoot.  I used my scan on web, and he's town.

I'll come back tomorrow (~16 hours maybe) and make some more posts


This is Vinnie's initial web scan claim...

Question for everyone, is there a world that Vinnie makes this claim as mafia and Web is town?  It seems unlikely to me.


The only world in which I see this is possible is if Vinnie was coached by a more experienced mafia member. So far, I'm discounting this world, because I strongly believe Vinnie is town.


I'm sure I missed it in this ocean of posts to go through, what makes you so sure that Vinnie is town?  Based on the way I'm reading the game, the most likely scenario to me is Web/Vinnie town, 42 mafia, so I'm not saying you're wrong.  Can you tell me what makes you so sure though?


Occam's razor makes it that I strongly believe in this most likely scenario.
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Reply #749 - 01/10/17 at 19:21:43
 
42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 19:18:15:
Here's what I THINK happened. It's not 100% but it makes the most sense from my point of view.

Vinnie scanned Web, was redirected to some town.
Web is mafia, has leverage, can safely guilty me. If I'm lynched he still has a failsafe now by claiming Dan is mafia.
Dan is town and his scan is legit.

The four night actions were maf's vig shot, maf's redirect on Vinnie, Vinnie's scan, and Dan's scan.

The second alternative is that Dan is mafia and they redirected Web to a town. Seems less likely the more I think about it.

The third alternative is Vinnie is mafia and just faking all this crap. If that's true we have the answer in 12 hours.

To me the team is probably Web/J-Cop/Lafungo, maybe Zac would replace one of those, except for Web, if this isn't the whole team.


Wouldn't it make a lot more sense for you to go after Web then? This whole J-Cop voting seems like you're trying to confuse town and misdirect us from where we should be looking. It also helps you ofcourse that a couple of others still have their vote on J-Cop.

Speaking of that, Dan would you mind unvoting J-Cop?
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