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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! drank 3358 beers	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #675 - 01/10/17 at 18:00:55 Just got home. Gonna revisit some stuff from earlier today about J-Cop, will try to do that while keeping up with new posts.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #676 - 01/10/17 at 18:01:57

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:00:01:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 17:58:49:

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 17:56:55:

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 17:48:01:

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 17:43:23:

TvK, I'm all for lynching 42 tomorrow if Vinnie flips town, but J-Cop is such an obvious partner to 42 and could be mafia in so many worlds.

How big do you still estimate the chance that Vinnie is going to flip mafia? And what if J-Cop should flip town? Would you still lynch 42 then on D3? Another big problem I have with 42 is that he claims to have an extra vig shot. If he survives to N2, he's going to shoot a townie. And the worse thing is, if he gets roleblocked, he can claim that he still has a chance of being town (like I said in a previous post that Web quoted).

IF A TOWN USED A VIG SHOT THEY SHOULD CLAIM NOW

IF A TOWN USED A VIG SHOT THEY SHOULD CLAIM NOW

IF A TOWN USED A VIG SHOT THEY SHOULD CLAIM NOW

IF A TOWN USED A VIG SHOT THEY SHOULD CLAIM NOW

Remember Shock said that mafia only gets 1 vig shot max, so assuming mafia used an extra shot last night (what I've kind of thought all day) then 42 has no shot. Also if town used a vig shot that would tell us that someone is lying about their night actions, which makes 42 look less scummy any way you slice it.

So you agree that, if I am mafia, I do not actually HAVE a vig shot, right? If that's the case what's the harm in letting me live to N2? If I am mafia I just can't kill anyway and if I am town I either clear myself or use up a mafblock.

I'll have to think about it but I guess there's a crazy world in which you're mafia but Web's scan is not real. Otherwise, I don't think 42 has a maf vig shot.

So you think me/Web is a possible scum team now? I'm not following you here.

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ALAKTORN Myth Offline Resident weeaboo 6519 days karting Italy - Viserba Gender:	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #677 - 01/10/17 at 18:02:24 I honestly don’t know what to do. TvK, you seem to be the only one with a clear idea, mind selling me on lynching 42?
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #678 - 01/10/17 at 18:04:02

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 17:58:49:

So you agree that, if I am mafia, I do not actually HAVE a vig shot, right? If that's the case what's the harm in letting me live to N2? If I am mafia I just can't kill anyway and if I am town I either clear myself or use up a mafblock.

I also don't get your "I use up a mafblock" argument. Isn't the mafia's goal to use their actions to confuse the town? How is it a waste for them (assuming in this scenario you're town) to use one of their actions on you? They want the town to be as confused as possible, and if you show up tomorrow saying "well, looks like my vig shot was blocked, oh well" then that doesn't get us any closer to pinning down your affiliation.

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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 3358 holabolas	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #679 - 01/10/17 at 18:04:23 42, I'm not discussing the idea because it's probably outrageous. I think it's important to look back over what happened on D2 and D1, before Web's claim.
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Reply #680 - 01/10/17 at 18:05:56

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:04:23:

42, I'm not discussing the idea because it's probably outrageous. I think it's important to look back over what happened on D2 and D1, before Web's claim.

In what scenario am I maf with an unused vigilante shot? The only way is if there's a hidden town who shot last night. And if that was true they should be claiming 100%.

Since I am not maf with a vig shot remaining, what's the harm in letting me live until tonight?

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Reply #681 - 01/10/17 at 18:06:44

Web wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:04:02:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 17:58:49:

So you agree that, if I am mafia, I do not actually HAVE a vig shot, right? If that's the case what's the harm in letting me live to N2? If I am mafia I just can't kill anyway and if I am town I either clear myself or use up a mafblock.

I also don't get your "I use up a mafblock" argument. Isn't the mafia's goal to use their actions to confuse the town? How is it a waste for them (assuming in this scenario you're town) to use one of their actions on you? They want the town to be as confused as possible, and if you show up tomorrow saying "well, looks like my vig shot was blocked, oh well" then that doesn't get us any closer to pinning down your affiliation.

If they do not block me my vigkill goes through and it clears me of making the shot. They have to use up one of their powers to prevent this.

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Vinnie927 King Offline #1 lurker 4476 days karting Canada Gender:	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #682 - 01/10/17 at 18:06:54 What are the chances that Zac shot someone?
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Reply #683 - 01/10/17 at 18:07:03

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:05:56:

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:04:23:

42, I'm not discussing the idea because it's probably outrageous. I think it's important to look back over what happened on D2 and D1, before Web's claim.

In what scenario am I maf with an unused vigilante shot? The only way is if there's a hidden town who shot last night. And if that was true they should be claiming 100%.

Since I am not maf with a vig shot remaining, what's the harm in letting me live until tonight?

If you're the best lynch, you're the best lynch. It's definitely still on the table.

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Reply #684 - 01/10/17 at 18:08:49

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:07:03:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:05:56:

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:04:23:

42, I'm not discussing the idea because it's probably outrageous. I think it's important to look back over what happened on D2 and D1, before Web's claim.

In what scenario am I maf with an unused vigilante shot? The only way is if there's a hidden town who shot last night. And if that was true they should be claiming 100%.

Since I am not maf with a vig shot remaining, what's the harm in letting me live until tonight?

If you're the best lynch, you're the best lynch. It's definitely still on the table.

That doesn't answer my question. I'm claiming to have an unused vig shot. If I am mafia, there is no way I have an unused vig shot, since town would be claiming to have shot one of Zwiebel/Racer.

Therefore there is no harm in letting me live until tonight to use my vig kill.

Please give me one possible scenario where I am mafia with a vig shot, which is the only way that lynching me today is the right play.

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42 Karter Offline 2930 days karting	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #685 - 01/10/17 at 18:09:15 Vinnie927 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:06:54: What are the chances that Zac shot someone? Unless he's mafvig, none.
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Vinnie927 King Offline #1 lurker helped 4476 people Canada Gender:	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #686 - 01/10/17 at 18:10:22 Why would you say that? Am I missing something big?
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42 Karter Offline worships 2930 kartgods	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #687 - 01/10/17 at 18:10:36 And I doubt he claims credit for the shot if he's maf, it would only cause more hardship for maf after I am lynched.
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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 3358 days karting	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #688 - 01/10/17 at 18:10:46 42, let's go with the idea that you're town and that you're living til tonight. Are you going to shoot in that case?
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #689 - 01/10/17 at 18:10:55

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:06:44:

Web wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:04:02:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 17:58:49:

So you agree that, if I am mafia, I do not actually HAVE a vig shot, right? If that's the case what's the harm in letting me live to N2? If I am mafia I just can't kill anyway and if I am town I either clear myself or use up a mafblock.

I also don't get your "I use up a mafblock" argument. Isn't the mafia's goal to use their actions to confuse the town? How is it a waste for them (assuming in this scenario you're town) to use one of their actions on you? They want the town to be as confused as possible, and if you show up tomorrow saying "well, looks like my vig shot was blocked, oh well" then that doesn't get us any closer to pinning down your affiliation.

If they do not block me my vigkill goes through and it clears me of making the shot. They have to use up one of their powers to prevent this.

I honestly don’t understand how letting you use a Shot is a good idea when Mafia could easily control it onto Town. Sure it might clear you but… I don’t know, sounds stupid? And what happens if you’re Mafia and a Townie shoots somebody, and you claim their shot? You gonna make us mislynch the other guy?

This is a mess.

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42 Karter Offline fell 2930 times for marty	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #690 - 01/10/17 at 18:11:52 Vinnie927 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:10:22: Why would you say that? Am I missing something big? If Zac is townvig that used a shot, he should be claiming it by now.
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Reply #691 - 01/10/17 at 18:11:56

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:08:49:

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:07:03:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:05:56:

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:04:23:

42, I'm not discussing the idea because it's probably outrageous. I think it's important to look back over what happened on D2 and D1, before Web's claim.

In what scenario am I maf with an unused vigilante shot? The only way is if there's a hidden town who shot last night. And if that was true they should be claiming 100%.

Since I am not maf with a vig shot remaining, what's the harm in letting me live until tonight?

If you're the best lynch, you're the best lynch. It's definitely still on the table.

That doesn't answer my question. I'm claiming to have an unused vig shot. If I am mafia, there is no way I have an unused vig shot, since town would be claiming to have shot one of Zwiebel/Racer.

Therefore there is no harm in letting me live until tonight to use my vig kill.

Please give me one possible scenario where I am mafia with a vig shot, which is the only way that lynching me today is the right play.

This logic doesn't make sense to me at all. You're stating with 100% certainty that you have a vig shot. We don't know if you have a vig shot or not, it's not that difficult to fake that claim. You can bluff your way through that claim for days with the mafia's abilities.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #692 - 01/10/17 at 18:13:42

ALAKTORN wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:10:55:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:06:44:

Web wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:04:02:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 17:58:49:

So you agree that, if I am mafia, I do not actually HAVE a vig shot, right? If that's the case what's the harm in letting me live to N2? If I am mafia I just can't kill anyway and if I am town I either clear myself or use up a mafblock.

I also don't get your "I use up a mafblock" argument. Isn't the mafia's goal to use their actions to confuse the town? How is it a waste for them (assuming in this scenario you're town) to use one of their actions on you? They want the town to be as confused as possible, and if you show up tomorrow saying "well, looks like my vig shot was blocked, oh well" then that doesn't get us any closer to pinning down your affiliation.

If they do not block me my vigkill goes through and it clears me of making the shot. They have to use up one of their powers to prevent this.

I honestly don’t understand how letting you use a Shot is a good idea when Mafia could easily control it onto Town. Sure it might clear you but… I don’t know, sounds stupid? And what happens if you’re Mafia and a Townie shoots somebody, and you claim their shot? You gonna make us mislynch the other guy?

This is a mess.

Townies other than me should not be shooting tonight at all. I have to as it's the only action to clear my name. If they redirect me to town that still proves a vig kill HAPPENED. Besides, under the assumption Vinnie is town there is only one other town vig besides me. He can just not shoot. It still clears me.

Clearing me, assuming Vinnie is town, means one of Web/Dan is mafia. Scum likely won't want this 50/50 to happen.

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Reply #693 - 01/10/17 at 18:13:55

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:11:52:

Vinnie927 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:10:22:

Why would you say that? Am I missing something big?

If Zac is townvig that used a shot, he should be claiming it by now.

Is it a possibility that he's been looking through the topic and hasn't got to that post? The post he quoted was three hours old, and a lot has happened since then. He might be typing a post of his reads right now.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #694 - 01/10/17 at 18:14:08

ALAKTORN wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:00:20:

☆ᓂ wrote on 01/10/17 at 17:57:13:

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:24:38:

And another thing unrelated to Web's scan: I remember Zac being a very active poster during the game in which he was town (Shock's first game). Most of his posts were utter fluff and he never really helped us get close to uncovering mafia, but at least it showed that he didn't have anything to hide. Now in this game, Zac has been unusually quiet. I'm definitely keeping my eye on him as well.

sleeping then immediatly going to school takes time out of my day but i will try my best to beat it as i get 8 hours after school to post whatever is needed. before i was on break

as to the Questions you had earlier, got lafungus got mixed up a bit but he did vote without adding much up behind it. for j-cop/lenny though, these low posters have voted for vinnie while having quite few posts. lenny's expectancy to post more i beleive is still here but he hasn't posted that much on anything that has been brought up on him..... jcop has posted a bit but also voted for vinnie out of the blue with no backup so this suspects him a bit.....

if you have thoughts on lenny/j-cop that may differ from this, please let me now

Lenny has been replaced by John, Lafungo has been replaced by me. Did you use an action N1?

J-Cop would be the last one who hasn’t claimed anything for N1 I think? Maybe John, don’t think he mentioned it.

thanks for clarafication on lenny ^ _^

i have not used my night actions at all yet... yep neither have claimed yet from what i read.

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Reply #695 - 01/10/17 at 18:15:03

Web wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:11:56:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:08:49:

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:07:03:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:05:56:

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:04:23:

42, I'm not discussing the idea because it's probably outrageous. I think it's important to look back over what happened on D2 and D1, before Web's claim.

In what scenario am I maf with an unused vigilante shot? The only way is if there's a hidden town who shot last night. And if that was true they should be claiming 100%.

Since I am not maf with a vig shot remaining, what's the harm in letting me live until tonight?

If you're the best lynch, you're the best lynch. It's definitely still on the table.

That doesn't answer my question. I'm claiming to have an unused vig shot. If I am mafia, there is no way I have an unused vig shot, since town would be claiming to have shot one of Zwiebel/Racer.

Therefore there is no harm in letting me live until tonight to use my vig kill.

Please give me one possible scenario where I am mafia with a vig shot, which is the only way that lynching me today is the right play.

This logic doesn't make sense to me at all. You're stating with 100% certainty that you have a vig shot. We don't know if you have a vig shot or not, it's not that difficult to fake that claim. You can bluff your way through that claim for days with the mafia's abilities.

If I am maf without a vig shot there's no harm at all in letting me live until tonight. None, zero, zilch.

If I am maf with a vig shot then townvig should be speaking up by now. They haven't. So mafvig used their kill night one.

Therefore if I am maf I don't have a vig shot. If I am town I do. It's as simple as that. Ergo, there's no harm in letting me live.

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Reply #697 - 01/10/17 at 18:17:46

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:15:03:

Web wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:11:56:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:08:49:

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:07:03:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:05:56:

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:04:23:

42, I'm not discussing the idea because it's probably outrageous. I think it's important to look back over what happened on D2 and D1, before Web's claim.

In what scenario am I maf with an unused vigilante shot? The only way is if there's a hidden town who shot last night. And if that was true they should be claiming 100%.

Since I am not maf with a vig shot remaining, what's the harm in letting me live until tonight?

If you're the best lynch, you're the best lynch. It's definitely still on the table.

That doesn't answer my question. I'm claiming to have an unused vig shot. If I am mafia, there is no way I have an unused vig shot, since town would be claiming to have shot one of Zwiebel/Racer.

Therefore there is no harm in letting me live until tonight to use my vig kill.

Please give me one possible scenario where I am mafia with a vig shot, which is the only way that lynching me today is the right play.

This logic doesn't make sense to me at all. You're stating with 100% certainty that you have a vig shot. We don't know if you have a vig shot or not, it's not that difficult to fake that claim. You can bluff your way through that claim for days with the mafia's abilities.

If I am maf without a vig shot there's no harm at all in letting me live until tonight. None, zero, zilch.

If I am maf with a vig shot then townvig should be speaking up by now. They haven't. So mafvig used their kill night one.

Therefore if I am maf I don't have a vig shot. If I am town I do. It's as simple as that. Ergo, there's no harm in letting me live.

if you're mafia, there's an inherent harm in letting you live. If you don't have a vig shot, you have two other powers you can use on the town with your other mafia pal and new information from today. There's harm there.

You're completely disregarding the risk that is presented to the town if we let a nearly confirmed mafia slip away. It's almost "too easy" of a solution for you to just be saved today, in fact there's only one possible scenario you can think of "42 as maf with a vig shot" that means you should live.

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Reply #699 - 01/10/17 at 18:18:40

Web wrote on 01/10/17 at 18:17:46:

You're completely disregarding the risk that is presented to the town if we let a nearly confirmed mafia slip away. It's almost "too easy" of a solution for you to just be saved today, in fact there's only one possible scenario you can think of "42 as maf with a vig shot" ~~that means you should live.~~

correction, that means you should be lynched

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