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Question: Which 12 player setup?
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Option 2  
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #50 - 01/07/17 at 20:16:18
 
Zac, TYG, and Racer727 hadn't played mafia before 2016. I hadn't played this form of mafia until 2016, but I was familiar with a similar version since 2011.
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Reply #51 - 01/07/17 at 20:16:41
 
42 wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:13:09:
DansGame wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:09:24:
This is my 4th game on this forum, which is probably about average for people on here, and I've played a decent amount of IRL mafia. I contributed a lot to the other games, I'd say that people would probably say I was one of the better players on here. I'll give myself a 7 I guess.


Well, I am guessing you knew the answer to the executioner question then. I am not sure if you asked it as a joke or not, it can be hard to differentiate between the two. I do not see what you hoped to gain by it, if the question was indeed serious.

J-Cop, how about yourself? How experienced are you? You made an executioner comment yourself.


There were a lot of rules to read for this game over the course of two threads. Shock doesn't say in the first post that there is no executioner. Usually in these games, not everyone reads the rules before we play, so I would expect some of the weaker players to not know the answer to the question if they were town. If they had a quick answer to the question it could indicate they were mafia. It makes me read Vinnie slightly scummy right now, for instance.
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Reply #52 - 01/07/17 at 20:18:34
 
It's about as Vinnie said, 42. I think TYG and Racer do pretty well sometimes considering though
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #53 - 01/07/17 at 20:19:08
 
DansGame wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:13:49:
42 wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:09:06:
DansGame wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:05:37:
What's wrong with asking a question a red would know the answer to? That's exactly why I asked it the way I did.


The reason I want to know your experience level is this.

If you are a new player, the chance that you are green goes up, because the comment is made more out of ignorance. If you are a seasoned player, then you probably would know, even as a green, that there is no executioner in the game. You could get that by reading the very rules. So your chance of being red then goes up.

And do not tell me you are a new player if you are not, I will be able to tell given due time.


Why would my chance of red go up if I was experienced? I think it should be a null read


I meant it more like this. Keep in mind at the time I did not consider the possibility you were doing it as a reaction test in hopes to get a newbie to slip up.

The way I saw it there were four possibilities for you.

Inexperienced green
Experienced green
Inexperienced red
Experienced red

Inexperienced red was sort of out from the get go, because inexperienced red would know there is no executioner, and probably not have the thought process to ask a question that a red would obviously know the answer to.

Inexperienced green I could see, because if you are inexperienced you might just make a newbie mistake and actually not know if there is or is not an executioner in the game. If you were red you would know there was not. This is what is known as a town slip. Since you have experience this is out.

Experienced green I had ruled out because I did not think of the potential for the rxn test there. Again, I am sorry for ruining that. I now think this is a distinct possibility but I am not sold on it yet.

Experienced red was what my initial thought was, given that you had experience, because if you were experienced green you should know the answer to that question, therefore I thought the move had potential to be red trying to angleshoot as green.
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Reply #54 - 01/07/17 at 20:20:40
 
DansGame wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:16:41:
42 wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:13:09:
DansGame wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:09:24:
This is my 4th game on this forum, which is probably about average for people on here, and I've played a decent amount of IRL mafia. I contributed a lot to the other games, I'd say that people would probably say I was one of the better players on here. I'll give myself a 7 I guess.


Well, I am guessing you knew the answer to the executioner question then. I am not sure if you asked it as a joke or not, it can be hard to differentiate between the two. I do not see what you hoped to gain by it, if the question was indeed serious.

J-Cop, how about yourself? How experienced are you? You made an executioner comment yourself.


There were a lot of rules to read for this game over the course of two threads. Shock doesn't say in the first post that there is no executioner. Usually in these games, not everyone reads the rules before we play, so I would expect some of the weaker players to not know the answer to the question if they were town. If they had a quick answer to the question it could indicate they were mafia. It makes me read Vinnie slightly scummy right now, for instance.

Shock held a poll on whether there would be an executioner, and it seemed as if everyone voted. I voted in the poll; albeit after the result was decided. Every single player should have been aware that there wasn't an executioner.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #55 - 01/07/17 at 20:21:54
 
The only thing the mafia would have known about the executioner that the town wouldn't was their identity. Shock made it clear on whether there would be an executioner.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #56 - 01/07/17 at 20:23:36
 
My wording was poor there. What I am trying to say was, I feel like questions like that come from either two sources.

Inexperienced green, who is actually ignorant and does not know that there is no executioner...

Experienced red, who tries to pretend to be ignorant.

Given your previous experience, I don't think you would attempt to angleshoot yourself as a green who didn't know about the executioner. The rest of the players would call you out somewhat quickly on it.

I want to hear about J-Cop now, the exact same thing I said to you also applies to him.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #57 - 01/07/17 at 20:24:37
 
Yeah 42 I think you can think of it as either an experienced green or experienced red play, that's why I'd say it should essentially not mean much either way.
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Reply #58 - 01/07/17 at 20:25:51
 
Vinnie927 wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:21:54:
The only thing the mafia would have known about the executioner that the town wouldn't was their identity. Shock made it clear on whether there would be an executioner.


Is town/mafia the accepted terminology for uninformed majority/informed minority here? I will try to stick to that, I am too used to green/red. Either way the mafia would know there is no executioner, and all of the town should too given that they read the rules, which evidently, isn't all too common.

For anyone not sure, green = town, red = mafia. Still a learning curve.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #59 - 01/07/17 at 20:27:50
 
42 wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:13:09:
J-Cop, how about yourself? How experienced are you? You made an executioner comment yourself.

I've probably played 6 or 7 games before this one.  As for the executioner comment, I've already said that was a joke.  I don't know how games usually start on the other sites you've played on, but ours typically begin with some random bullshit before we get a legit discussion going.
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Reply #60 - 01/07/17 at 20:28:26
 
DansGame wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:24:37:
Yeah 42 I think you can think of it as either an experienced green or experienced red play, that's why I'd say it should essentially not mean much either way.


I understand it now, it's just you don't usually see that play coming from that angle. From my experience, it is almost always inexperienced town or experienced mafia. But you came up with a good on the spot reason for doing it as experienced town so I believe what you said has merit to it.

But I really want J-Cop to chime in. I will not be on too much longer, going to hit the sack shortly.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #61 - 01/07/17 at 20:29:03
 
Vinnie the point is this -

For an inexperienced mafia member who hadn't paid attention to the rule clarification from Shock, they still would have been aware that there was no executioner, because they would have known there were 3 mafia and not 2.
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Reply #62 - 01/07/17 at 20:30:11
 
J-Cop wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:27:50:
42 wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:13:09:
J-Cop, how about yourself? How experienced are you? You made an executioner comment yourself.

I've probably played 6 or 7 games before this one.  As for the executioner comment, I've already said that was a joke.  I don't know how games usually start on the other sites you've played on, but ours typically begin with some random bullshit before we get a legit discussion going.


Yeah that's known as RVS, or random voting stage. I was unaware of what is or isn't a joke, I know all of the votes, including my own, were. I feel a bit embarrassed, as you mentioned it was a joke in a post that I quoted of yours earlier, and somehow it slipped my mind.
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Reply #63 - 01/07/17 at 20:31:31
 
Does this site have a vote tracker because if not things will get really painstaking later in the day.
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Reply #64 - 01/07/17 at 20:32:42
 
There is a vote tracker. The administrator has yet to change it to this game, though.
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Reply #65 - 01/07/17 at 20:34:45
 
http://www.mariokart64.com/mk64/mafiashock.cgi, for anyone else who needed it (it's still on the last game right now)
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Reply #66 - 01/07/17 at 20:34:52
 
42 wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:25:51:
Is town/mafia the accepted terminology for uninformed majority/informed minority here? I will try to stick to that, I am too used to green/red. Either way the mafia would know there is no executioner, and all of the town should too given that they read the rules, which evidently, isn't all too common.

For anyone not sure, green = town, red = mafia. Still a learning curve.

yeah, town/maf is most common here; and the random bullshit period seems to be drawing to a close much faster than usual, pretty happy about that tbh. I'll probably be on for another hour or so.

42 wrote on 01/07/17 at 20:31:31:
Does this site have a vote tracker because if not things will get really painstaking later in the day.

We usually have a vote/post tracker and I think Shock's working on getting it back up asap. Don't have it bookmarked though if someone could throw the link up here that would be sweet.
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Reply #67 - 01/07/17 at 20:35:42
 
Going off, I have work in the morning, probably will sneak on shortly before I leave but if I don't I will be gone for 18 hours.
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Reply #68 - 01/07/17 at 21:27:40
 
alright I'm off to bed, decent turnout so far but hopefully everyone can check in soon. I was prepared to let the Euro contingent to take the wheel but looks like it's just TvK this time around so he'll have to pick up the slack for his continent. Be back on in the morning, "scumhunters unite!", etc.
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Reply #69 - 01/07/17 at 21:38:58
 
Seems everyone is quiet right now...... but that's common amongst these games lately Tongue

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Reply #70 - 01/07/17 at 21:39:34
 
☆ᓂ wrote on 01/07/17 at 21:38:58:
Seems everyone is quiet right now...... but that's common amongst these games lately Tongue

I don't really have a conversation starter so I will wait for a Question to pop
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Reply #71 - 01/07/17 at 21:45:52
 
☆ᓂ wrote on 01/07/17 at 21:38:58:
Seems everyone is quiet right now...... but that's common amongst these games lately Tongue

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Reply #72 - 01/07/17 at 21:55:34
 
DansGame wrote on 01/07/17 at 21:45:52:
☆ᓂ wrote on 01/07/17 at 21:38:58:
Seems everyone is quiet right now...... but that's common amongst these games lately Tongue

I don't really have a conversation starter so I will wait for a Question to pop
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Can you read the first few pages and give us your thoughts of the game so far?


Have done  Smiley
I did know that there was no Exe because it was stated very well in the poll Wink as for people who
May have missed it, not to sure why but it is reasonable for now.......

And if you were to question my experience... I'd probably score in the middle of experinced/non-experienced as I only have played a few games on here and a bit of town of Salem ( game like mafia)

Mostly all I could answer from a quick glance Wink
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Reply #73 - 01/07/17 at 21:58:15
 
☆ᓂ wrote on 01/07/17 at 21:55:34:
DansGame wrote on 01/07/17 at 21:45:52:
☆ᓂ wrote on 01/07/17 at 21:38:58:
Seems everyone is quiet right now...... but that's common amongst these games lately Tongue

I don't really have a conversation starter so I will wait for a Question to pop
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Can you read the first few pages and give us your thoughts of the game so far?


Have done  Smiley
I did know that there was no Exe because it was stated very well in the poll Wink as for people who
May have missed it, not to sure why but it is reasonable for now.......

And if you were to question my experience... I'd probably score in the middle of experinced/non-experienced as I only have played a few games on here and a bit of town of Salem ( game like mafia)

Mostly all I could answer from a quick glance Wink
Will glance abit more to write

All I could find really,"""
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Reply #74 - 01/07/17 at 22:07:02
 
Considering that Vinnie, while not the strongest of players, is usually very active, I can buy for now that he did know by the topic votes that there was no executioner. I thought it was weird that neither J-Cop nor Web really commented on the whole discussion between 42 and I despite being here. Considering Web seems to have been paying more attention but still avoided the discussion, he's my scummiest read so far but not much to go off of yet.

I have a null read on 42 so far. He could have been town reacting to the game by grilling me, or mafia trying to shut down my reaction test/generally trying to find a mislynch today.
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