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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #575 - 01/10/17 at 15:35:57

Wow, Webs scanning 42 here is pretty awesome. We should be able to trust it to hopefully assuming Vinnie's scan is correct. The one remaining problem here is the 4th missing ability used. I'm going to assume it was used by maf since no one has claimed yet. But I agree it's unlikely they controlled webs on one of their own. So I'm down to lynch 42 today for sure. I also agree that J-Cop is a very likely partner.

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Reply #576 - 01/10/17 at 15:37:29

EVERYONE STOP LET ME SAY THIS ONE THING

No I am not mafia. In fact, since I'm probably as good as dead let me just say this.

My powers are REDIRECT AND VIGILANTE. I did not act night one because neither of my powers are optimal to use. Both of these late game would get us out of potential vote parity.

I highly recommend you do not lynch me. Web was redirected (probably by mafia, since town shouldn't be redirecting this early) and since I have a vigilante kill, I can confirm myself at night. At the very least mafia will have to use some sort of block to prevent me from clearing myself.

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42 Karter Offline 2930 days karting	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #577 - 01/10/17 at 15:38:33 Let me also say this. If by some reason a town used a redirect on Web, they NEED TO SAY SO RIGHT NOW.
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Reply #578 - 01/10/17 at 15:41:17

Also there is no way I can be maf vigilante with a kill remaining. Otherwise someone would have fessed up about killing Zwiebel/Racer. I will be using my maf kill on Lafungo/J-Cop, assuming I survive today.

This puts scum in a pretty bad position. Either they have to use a roleblock on me, or they have to heal Lafungo/J-Cop in order for my name to not be cleared day 3. If they redirect me that would still clear my name as there would be a vig kill that is unaccounted for otherwise.

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Reply #579 - 01/10/17 at 15:43:33

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 12:16:14:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 11:43:30:

Anyone else think maybe J-Cop and Lafungo are m/m? Both want to lynch Lenny. J-Cop has thrown some weak shade over Lafungo all game. Lafungo has been that weaker maf lean of J-Cop's this whole time, but hasn't received much attack from him. If they are indeed both maf their partner probably isn't Lenny.

Maybe I'm overthinking it. You guys have put a compelling case on J-Cop but I'm still reasonably sure on Lafungo as well.

This is an interesting theory. Lafungo and J-Cop have gone through D1 the same way: mostly at the sidelines. Their only difference was that J-Cop took the easy way and joined the Vinnie wagon and Lafungo went out of his way to vote you. But J-Cop's latest posts make it seem more that they aren't of the same faction. There's a lot of time left in the day and every minute Lenny doesn't post, it makes him a bigger target for a lynch. J-Cop's top two scumreads are Lafungo and Lenny (with Lafungo also having Lenny as a top scumread, or at least as a viable lynch candidate). If J-Cop and Lafungo were partners, it would make a lot more sense for him to start a new wagon, instead of joining you in voting Lafungo (especially since you're vote was the only one). So no, I don't really think J-Cop and Lafungo are both mafia.

Let me say this, I wrote this post BEFORE J-Cop voted Lafungo. He was sort of bullied into doing it by me. J-Cop had no one else to vote for to save himself, so regardless of J-Cop's alignment he was at this point FORCED into the vote on Lafungo.

I'll be around for a while, god damn I didn't expect to have to go into straight up defense mode but I think it's worth keeping me around into the night because my powers are verifiable!

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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 3358 sex records	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #580 - 01/10/17 at 15:45:28 J-Cop should be shot maybe (I don't think whoever does it should say who they are so that way a control is less likely). If someone heals it should be done on a confirmed town probably, although maf could shoot someone else. Eventually they'll need to kill Web and Lafungo at least
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Reply #581 - 01/10/17 at 15:47:29

Also I know it sounds insincere coming from me, but scum's optimal move is to redirect onto a mafia member. Let me explain:

Town has 5 actions. Vigilante, roleblock, and redirects should NOT be used night one. This is because these three are the only actions that can get out of an otherwise vote parity and an automatic loss. Therefore it is optimal to save these until the later game.

That leaves cop and heal. If they redirect either of these onto a mafia member, it either frames a town (which it did) or protects a mafia member. Any smart mafia would realize this and redirect onto a mafia member.

I just hope you guys at least give me the chance. The only person really pushing me has been Web, and it's because his judgement is clouded by the guilty report on "me".

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #582 - 01/10/17 at 15:47:50

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:37:29:

EVERYONE STOP LET ME SAY THIS ONE THING

No I am not mafia. In fact, since I'm probably as good as dead let me just say this.

My powers are REDIRECT AND VIGILANTE. I did not act night one because neither of my powers are optimal to use. Both of these late game would get us out of potential vote parity.

I highly recommend you do not lynch me. Web was redirected (probably by mafia, since town shouldn't be redirecting this early) and since I have a vigilante kill, I can confirm myself at night. At the very least mafia will have to use some sort of block to prevent me from clearing myself.

Web was not redirected. Push the world where Vinnie is mafia and there's a better lynch than you today.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #583 - 01/10/17 at 15:48:55

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:45:28:

J-Cop should be shot maybe (I don't think whoever does it should say who they are so that way a control is less likely). If someone heals it should be done on a confirmed town probably, although maf could shoot someone else. Eventually they'll need to kill Web and Lafungo at least

If they control me onto a town member it still clears my name. Not exactly something they want to do. If I'm shooting a town member anyway they have two options. Option one is to let the kill go through (clearing me in the process) option two is to use a doc save on the town (keeps me unclear, but they would be wasting a save on a town member)

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Reply #584 - 01/10/17 at 15:50:17

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:47:50:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:37:29:

EVERYONE STOP LET ME SAY THIS ONE THING

No I am not mafia. In fact, since I'm probably as good as dead let me just say this.

My powers are REDIRECT AND VIGILANTE. I did not act night one because neither of my powers are optimal to use. Both of these late game would get us out of potential vote parity.

I highly recommend you do not lynch me. Web was redirected (probably by mafia, since town shouldn't be redirecting this early) and since I have a vigilante kill, I can confirm myself at night. At the very least mafia will have to use some sort of block to prevent me from clearing myself.

Web was not redirected. Push the world where Vinnie is mafia and there's a better lynch than you today.

Yes he was, there is no other way I am guilty. Like I said I am using the vig kill on Lafungo/J-Cop if I live until tonight. What are scum gonna do then? They either clear my name or waste a roleblock on me? It's better than lynching me.

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42 Karter Offline hit 2930 moles	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #585 - 01/10/17 at 15:51:31 If he was not redirected then he's bluffing about his scan which would be so unbelievably stupid for him to do as a town that I am not going to entertain that theory.
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Reply #586 - 01/10/17 at 15:52:54

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:41:17:

Also there is no way I can be maf vigilante with a kill remaining. Otherwise someone would have fessed up about killing Zwiebel/Racer. I will be using my maf kill on Lafungo/J-Cop, assuming I survive today.

This puts scum in a pretty bad position. Either they have to use a roleblock on me, or they have to heal Lafungo/J-Cop in order for my name to not be cleared day 3. If they redirect me that would still clear my name as there would be a vig kill that is unaccounted for otherwise.

Sorry just a remnant of me going on full out defense mode. This should say I will be using my VIG kill on Lafungo/J-Cop. If one of them does not die tonight lynch me day 3 no questions asked. At least let me use up a roleblock/heal from them. Don't let me go down in vain.

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42 Karter Offline 2930 days karting	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #587 - 01/10/17 at 15:53:47 Like just forget about the scan on me for a minute. Is there anything any of you have on me (other than the paranoia that I'm a good player, and I could have just lied and said I had no experience) that makes you guys think I am mafia? Anything at all? Let's hear it.
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Reply #588 - 01/10/17 at 15:54:22

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:37:29:

EVERYONE STOP LET ME SAY THIS ONE THING

No I am not mafia. In fact, since I'm probably as good as dead let me just say this.

My powers are REDIRECT AND VIGILANTE. I did not act night one because neither of my powers are optimal to use. Both of these late game would get us out of potential vote parity.

I highly recommend you do not lynch me. Web was redirected (probably by mafia, since town shouldn't be redirecting this early) and since I have a vigilante kill, I can confirm myself at night. At the very least mafia will have to use some sort of block to prevent me from clearing myself.

Well, this explains why you were trying so hard to say that both kills were mafia kills. That leaves room for you to claim a vig shot which we still can't confirm if it's coming from mafia or town.

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Reply #589 - 01/10/17 at 15:55:58

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:54:22:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:37:29:

EVERYONE STOP LET ME SAY THIS ONE THING

No I am not mafia. In fact, since I'm probably as good as dead let me just say this.

My powers are REDIRECT AND VIGILANTE. I did not act night one because neither of my powers are optimal to use. Both of these late game would get us out of potential vote parity.

I highly recommend you do not lynch me. Web was redirected (probably by mafia, since town shouldn't be redirecting this early) and since I have a vigilante kill, I can confirm myself at night. At the very least mafia will have to use some sort of block to prevent me from clearing myself.

Well, this explains why you were trying so hard to say that both kills were mafia kills. That leaves room for you to claim a vig shot which we still can't confirm if it's coming from mafia or town.

Ok how about this then. If there is a town vig that shot one of Zwiebel/Racer, they claim today. Otherwise mafia used the vig. Foolproof plan.

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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #590 - 01/10/17 at 15:56:47 In a hypothetical situation where 42 is town he could easily be rbd by mafia... and prevent him from verifying... so idk
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Reply #591 - 01/10/17 at 15:56:56

My first thought is this: *if* Vinnie is town, then the scum would certainly have used a control action on him last night. No matter what action he had, scum can benefit by redirecting to a townie. Think of the choices:
scan - if town!Vinnie had scanned fellow townie, redirecting to a townie has no net effect. if town!Vinnie had scanned a scum, then redirecting to townie would give him a report that his scum target was actually town.
heal - redirecting this to a non-target townie is fine for scum, and would waste a heal
roleblock - redirect results in roleblocked townie, fine for scum
shoot - redirect results in dead townie, best for scum

So, with that in mind - IF Vinnie is town, then under that condition I'd have to assume the following:
1 night action was Vinnie's scan (as townie, he has no reason to lie about what action he took)
1 night action was maf's extra shot (the earlier they get assured kill, the better)
1 night action was control of Vinnie (see above, it would be stupid for scum *not* to control town!Vinnie)
1 night action was Web's scan, which could not be controlled since this is now the 4th action to take place last night.

Still going through other things, but this is my first thought after seeing what night actions have been claimed.

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42 Karter Offline seen 2930 mj vids	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #592 - 01/10/17 at 15:57:58 And the reason why this is foolproof is because if no one claims the shot, that means mafvig made the shot. If I am mafvig, I will be unable to shoot tonight. I highly doubt townvig made the shot because two vigs are already accounted for, me and Vinnie. But if townvig made the shot then congratulations for being a grade A idiot.
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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 3358 days karting	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #593 - 01/10/17 at 15:58:35 I scanned Zwiebel last night, so unless Vinnie is lying, 42 is guilty.
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42 Karter Offline 2930 days karting	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #595 - 01/10/17 at 15:59:14 No one controlled Vinnie. Night actions were a maf vigshot (unless town wants to fess up), redirect, and the two scans.
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Reply #596 - 01/10/17 at 16:01:26

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:41:17:

Also there is no way I can be maf vigilante with a kill remaining. Otherwise someone would have fessed up about killing Zwiebel/Racer. I will be using my maf kill on Lafungo/J-Cop, assuming I survive today.

This puts scum in a pretty bad position. Either they have to use a roleblock on me, or they have to heal Lafungo/J-Cop in order for my name to not be cleared day 3. If they redirect me that would still clear my name as there would be a vig kill that is unaccounted for otherwise.

As for you're first point, I totally disagree. I still believe one of the two kills was a town kill (especially after your claim), but in no way I would want anyone to come out and claim that he shot Racer/Zwiebel.

And for your second point. Look at it from our perspective (that you are mafia). You give yourself 2 extra days to survive, because of heals/roleblocks, all which can not be confirmed. Technically if you were mafia, you could withhold your vig shot and claim multiple days that your target was healed, or that you were roleblocked. I sincerely think town cannot afford to go with that.

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TvK NinjaTvK Offline 5510 days karting Belgium Gender:	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #597 - 01/10/17 at 16:03:14 DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:58:35: I scanned Zwiebel last night, so unless Vinnie is lying, 42 is guilty. Well, that pretty much does it then.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #598 - 01/10/17 at 16:04:24

TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 16:01:26:

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:41:17:

Also there is no way I can be maf vigilante with a kill remaining. Otherwise someone would have fessed up about killing Zwiebel/Racer. I will be using my maf kill on Lafungo/J-Cop, assuming I survive today.

This puts scum in a pretty bad position. Either they have to use a roleblock on me, or they have to heal Lafungo/J-Cop in order for my name to not be cleared day 3. If they redirect me that would still clear my name as there would be a vig kill that is unaccounted for otherwise.

As for you're first point, I totally disagree. I still believe one of the two kills was a town kill (especially after your claim), but in no way I would want anyone to come out and claim that he shot Racer/Zwiebel.

And for your second point. Look at it from our perspective (that you are mafia). You give yourself 2 extra days to survive, because of heals/roleblocks, all which can not be confirmed. Technically if you were mafia, you could withhold your vig shot and claim multiple days that your target was healed, or that you were roleblocked. I sincerely think town cannot afford to go with that.

Give me a reason why town should be shooting night one. Vigs are the most important actions to keep lategame. Do you disagree with this sentiment? I get that all of you have a clouded judgement of me now that Web has a scan on "me" but hey sometimes you get the short end of the stick. I'm giving you an option, let me live until tonight and if my vig shot fails, lynch me on day 3. No questions asked. You realize scum have to use one of their own actions or they will CLEAR me. At LEAST let me use up one of their actions.

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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: Mafia: Day 2 Reply #599 - 01/10/17 at 16:05:45 DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 15:58:35: I scanned Zwiebel last night, so unless Vinnie is lying, 42 is guilty. Awesome, 42 should def be the lynch then
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