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Question: Which 12 player setup?
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Option 1  
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Option 2  
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Total votes: 11
« Created by: Shock on: 01/06/17 at 07:26:49 »

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #550 - 01/10/17 at 14:01:53
 
tracker isn't displaying the vote, so here's take 2:

[vote]42[/vote]
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #551 - 01/10/17 at 14:06:19
 
I also think J-Cop and 42 are a more likely pair based on what happened D1. I think J-Cop is a better vote though. Want to hear more from Lafungo though before I decide where to cast my final vote.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #552 - 01/10/17 at 14:06:22
 
wonder if it's an issue with numbers? Apologies for the spam  Smiley

[vote]Forty Two[/vote]

Requoting my post so it's at the top of the new page:

Web wrote on 01/10/17 at 13:59:19:
I wrote this post as soon as I received my scan report right before D2 and tried to update it as more information became available so apologies if I've repeated some of the reasoning from other players in here.

I scanned 42 last night, and recieved a report back that he was a member of the mafia.

I waited to reveal this because I knew as soon as the information was out 42 (as mafia) would be able to react and form a strategy with the rest of his mafia buddies and I wanted to ask more questions and watch for other information first. As 42 himself said in reply #450, you can observe a maf's behavior for an additional day phase.

I chose 42 as he was aggressive early game, but completely disappeared at the end of D1 despite saying he'd return. Being a new member to the forum he was also the player I knew the least about (outside of Lenny but after his abysmal D1 there was no way I was wasting a night action other than a kill on him), and after 42 claimed he had played about 50 games previously, I knew he would likely be difficult to pin down if he happened to be mafia.

So either 42 is mafia, or I was controlled by a poster onto a different poster who happens to be mafia. Shock said 4 night actions were taken on N1. If we're assuming Vinnie's claim is legit, that also only leaves one night action left (Vinnie's scan, my scan, the extra night kill), so it seems very unlikely that it would be a control action taken against me to cloud the report.

=====(Dan brought up an interesting counterpoint to these next two paragraphs in Reply #482 but I also feel comfortable with my reasoning so I'm leaving them in)=====

If a control was used, I am almost positive that mafia would not control a night action onto one of their own. Afaik mafia don't know what actions they are moving, just the players that they are moving the actions between. What if I had a kill action and had chosen that tonight instead of my scan? They'd be risking one of their own members for little gain. So if I was controlled onto a mafia I think it has to have been by a town poster.

This is also good news because if I was controlled and the town member who controlled claims, then we've found a mafia in the player they moved my night action onto. Of course, any claim of someone controlling me can be fabricated by the mafia and Zwiebel or Racer could have also controlled my scan (control comes before shoot during the night) but both seem incredibly unilkely scenarios.

As a side note, if 42 is mafia this gives me a town lean on Dan since I agreed with Racer's point D1 that their interaction was highly unlikely to be maf-maf.

Thoughts? Also,

[vote]42[/vote]


Assuming 42 is mafia, right now my strongest town leans are (in order of strength):
- Lafungo (42 voted him immediately today on weak reasoning. Seems like an odd bus to start the day when there were better targets, remember this was before the Vinnie roleclaim)
- Dan (interaction w/42 early D1 very likely not maf-maf)
- Vinnie (based on the mafia using their nightkill and assuming his claim is correct)
- TYG (great posts at the start of D2 and I've agreed with most of his reasoning today)

My strongest maf lean is J-Cop, for reasons I've already stated in the post where I voted him and his continued suspicion on Lafungo.

That leaves one poster between TvK, Zac, and Lenny as the last mafia. If Vinnie somehow flips mafia, then it's gg.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #553 - 01/10/17 at 14:09:43
 
Oh damn you got a mafia scan on 42? This makes shit interesting. I have rehearsal for 3 hours so not sure how much I can post but there's a lot to consider. However, I actually think mafia are more likely to have redirected onto one of their own N1 for reasons I'll explain later.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #554 - 01/10/17 at 14:10:06
 
Maybe you need to bold it?
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Reply #555 - 01/10/17 at 14:11:04
 
nope, it's a problem with just listing numbers apparently, the tracker caught the vote when I spelled out the name

just future reference when this wagon starts up  Wink
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #556 - 01/10/17 at 14:15:23
 
[Vote]42 [/vote]
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #557 - 01/10/17 at 14:16:35
 
[Vote]forty two[/vote]
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #558 - 01/10/17 at 14:17:08
 
alright, I have to head out for a few hours but I'll be back on tonight.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #559 - 01/10/17 at 14:20:39
 
Wow, that's a great scan there, Web. I'm really curious to see what 42 has to say about this. I do agree with you that the chance is really small that your action was controlled onto someone else, so I am definitely on board with lynching 42. And as you guys said before, a mafia pair of 42/J-Cop seems incredibly likely in this scenario. 42 always claimed J-Cop was his second biggest maf read and said he wouldn't mind if he got lynched, which leaves him open for all options. Pushing Lafungo will keep his buddy out of trouble, and when the momentum does seem to switch to J-Cop, he could have easily jumped ship to throw his buddy under the bus.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #560 - 01/10/17 at 14:24:38
 
And another thing unrelated to Web's scan: I remember Zac being a very active poster during the game in which he was town (Shock's first game). Most of his posts were utter fluff and he never really helped us get close to uncovering mafia, but at least it showed that he didn't have anything to hide. Now in this game, Zac has been unusually quiet. I'm definitely keeping my eye on him as well.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #561 - 01/10/17 at 14:25:09
 
Oh yeah, and the obligatory vote:

[vote]Forty-two[/vote]
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #562 - 01/10/17 at 14:26:40
 
also please try to keep the votes on 42 at four or below, he really needs to come back in and defend himself.

I'll try to check my phone while I'm out and unvote if necessary but we dont want this day ending early.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #563 - 01/10/17 at 14:29:43
 
I'm about to make my reads post (still need to read a few more posts), but I just want to mention one thing.

Lenny is almost certainly going to be modkilled for inactivity. I'd bet that even if I told him that he wouldn't come on. Don't bother with him unless he makes a post before eod.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #564 - 01/10/17 at 14:30:45
 
[Unvote] just to be sure, but it's going back on 42
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #566 - 01/10/17 at 14:34:08
 
Vinnie927 wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:29:43:
I'm about to make my reads post (still need to read a few more posts), but I just want to mention one thing.

Lenny is almost certainly going to be modkilled for inactivity. I'd bet that even if I told him that he wouldn't come on. Don't bother with him unless he makes a post before eod.


Let me ask you the same question I asked before: did Lenny ever display this kind of inactivity in any games you two played together? If so, did he tend to be more inactive in games that he was mafia?

Also no, as long as Lenny is in the game, I'm not going to not be bothered with him. His inactivity doesn't change his alignment.
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Reply #567 - 01/10/17 at 14:35:47
 
Vinnie927 wrote on 01/10/17 at 14:29:43:
I'm about to make my reads post (still need to read a few more posts), but I just want to mention one thing.

Lenny is almost certainly going to be modkilled for inactivity. I'd bet that even if I told him that he wouldn't come on. Don't bother with him unless he makes a post before eod.


Holy shit, and by the way, how do you know about him being about to get modkilled?
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Reply #568 - 01/10/17 at 14:43:00
 
I haven't played a game with him since 2014 excluding this one, so my memory is a little hazy in that aspect. However, he's been named the most valuable player on the site we play on more times than anyone else.

And that was based off of the assumption that Shock will modkill after a full day of inactivity.

I will make my leans post very shortly.
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Reply #569 - 01/10/17 at 14:44:22
 
TvK wrote on 01/10/17 at 05:11:34:
Vinnie927 wrote on 01/09/17 at 20:20:12:
I just checked the board for a minute before going to sleep.

I didn't know what to do with my powers, scan or shoot.  I used my scan on web, and he's town.

I'll come back tomorrow (~16 hours maybe) and make some more posts


Why exactly did you go for Web? Just from the top of my head: I thought you townread him for about the entirety of D1. Why would you not go for someone you didn't have a solid read on?

Web was someone that people were saying they were suspicious of. I figured that maf might lead a lynch on him on D2, so I tried to protect him. I didn't look at Zac because I thought that no one would believe me if I said that I scanned someone red (Dan proved me right).

Vinnie927
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Zwiebel
thewebinator - My scan returned as town, and since the chances of tampering are low I believe he's 100% confirmed.

DansGame/TvK - Their parts in leading the town have led me to believe that they're town.
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One (maybe two, depends on Lenny) of these three players is mafia:
J-Cop - The reasoning for him being a maflean from others is that his mafleans were weak, and he didn't believe in certain actions such as analyzing why Zwiebel and Racer were killed. His Lenny scumread is terrible, as he's going off of two posts.
Lafungo - His suspicions on 42 were weak. He's been inactive so far, so this one thing is pretty much all I can say about him. His inactivity is pretty telling for such a strong player.
42 - No one can support his townhunting claim, which means that there's a possibility that he made this up as his excuse for not being as involved in the scumhunt as Dan/TvK. Out of these three, 42 is by far the least suspicious, but I still can't say with certainty that he's town. Written before I saw #548 (web outs his scan)
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theyounggun - I was the number one advocate for lynching tyg. Looking at his new posts, his ability seems to have increased, although I feel that it could be attributed to him just becoming a better player.
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Lenny - The chances of him staying active are slim. The only good thing that could come out of not lynching him is if a mafia ended up lynched.

To answer TvK's earlier question (508), Lenny is usually one of the most active players. I don't believe that he's staying low on purpose, he might just not care about the game. Tbh I should have expected that, but I figured I could get him to contribute if I needed to (I've sent him more than twice as many messages reminding him to come on as he has posts in this thread). Don't lynch him, he's going to be modkilled.
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Not necessarily scummy, but I believe he's mafia
Zac - I think Lafungo/some other strong player may be coaching him in the Discord, hence his gameplay being notably different in my eyes. His inactivity, like Lafungo's, is also telling and suggests to me that he's mafia.


If I had to make a list:
Zac
42
J-Cop
are the mafia, with Lafungo being the other one if one of those three is town.


I'm going to vote right before I go to bed, or whenever I'm on last.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #570 - 01/10/17 at 15:09:12
 
J-Cop/42/one of TvK/Zac/Lenny is the team.
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Reply #571 - 01/10/17 at 15:25:44
 
John has subbed in for Lenny.
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Reply #572 - 01/10/17 at 15:27:33
 
getting ahead of myself a bit but when I get back I'm definitely looking back at TvK's posts. I see him as the likeliest 3rd maf out of the remaining three possibilities (over Zac and Lenny).

and Vinnie, I don't see any way that Lafungo could be maf after J-Cop and 42 were the biggest drivers of his lynch today. He's my strongest town lean atm.

Dan, I also think discussing night actions tonight should definitely be a consideration, though probably after 42 and J-Cop come back online.
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Reply #573 - 01/10/17 at 15:28:18
 
well that sub changes things a bit but I still think Lenny's play to this point was very noob town instead of mafia.
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Reply #574 - 01/10/17 at 15:30:39
 
Hey guys it's me Lenny, Zac's friend who decided not to play in this game!

For real though, I'll do a quick read of things and figure out what's up. If anyone has anything specific that they would like input from me on, just lemme know.
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