It's not just Vinnie's posts that we should be looking at, but also how other people interacted with him. That is one of the reasons I am suspicious of J-Cop. He could be mafia regardless of Vinnie's alignment and I think the best lynch today is someone who could easily be mafia either way.

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 08:10:00:


Lafungo also seemed to keep a low profile on Vinnie. I think the 3 players that could be maf regardless of Vinnie's allignment are J-Cop, Lafungo, and Lenny mainly because the interactions were very minimal. Although I'm on board with some others here that Lenny shouldn't be lynched until we have further information at the very least.

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 08:10:00:


If Vinnie is town, who do you think is less/more likely to be mafia?

If Vinnie is mafia, who do you think is less/more likely to be mafia?

TYG, Zac, J-Cop, Web, Vinnie, you've all come in here but you're yet to vote. Days are really short, so I would strongly advise you guys to use your votes. This goes especially for Vinnie and Web. Vinnie, I'll say it once again, if you are town, then you have 22 hours left to help your faction win. I really hope you make the most of that time.

I'm kind of breaking my rule about discussing Lenny before he appears here but this just popped into my head.

Lenny is by far the easiest target to throw a lynch onto today, as he isn't going to defend himself based on what he's posted D1. Anyone who is pushing him as their main scumread without bringing any other options to the table (read: J-Cop) is really taking the easy way out and moving up my scumlist.

So far his D2 has been:

J-Cop wrote on 01/09/17 at 20:35:15:


His maf leans are the two easiest maf leans to have at this point in the game, Vinnie and Lenny. He also offers a somewhat halfhearted maf lean on Lafungo.

J-Cop wrote on 01/09/17 at 21:06:45:


A post responding to my confusion at 42's townhunter status, which does make sense to me and makes that 42 post less suspicious but doesn't add that much to the game. Also could be seen as a soft defense of 42.


J-Cop wrote on 01/09/17 at 23:28:23:


Seems like he doesn't want to dig into Racer or Zwiebel's interactions on D1. I think disregarding their posts is a mistake, mafia don't pick their kills randomly so there's likely a reason we can discover for the kills. J-Cop, if you don't want to look at their posts then who do you want to look at? Outside of Dan who do you think could have killed Racer and Zwiebel?

J-Cop wrote on 01/09/17 at 23:49:03:


Seems ready to sit back and wait for the end of D2 to see Vinnie's alignment rather than really pushing on anyone today. Since I now feel somewhat confident Vinnie will flip town this comes off as scummy.


J-Cop's very passive posting is not sitting well with me today at all. Saying "let's vote Lenny" and waiting for Vinnie's flip at the end of D2 is the easiest way to run out the clock on a day.

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 08:30:34:


If Vinnie is town, mafia would more likely be people who took the easy road onto his wagon D1. Obviously that's a lot of people, I'd need to go back and examine the posts where people voted and their suggestions for other suspicions. I think TYG is town so if Vinnie flips town, I will believe that both leading wagons were likely on town, and so I'd be suspicious of other wagons that people tried to start that didn't take off. I would be more suspicious of you in that case, as well as Lafungo - it would strengthen my belief that one of you is mafia (probably not both).

There are not too many people who look better in my eyes if Vinnie flips town, unfortunately, other than Web. The two people who would have looked the best are dead, so yeah.

I'll save most of my thoughts for what happens if Vinnie flips mafia for after he comes back and gives his updated reads/thoughts on the game, if he does so (and he'd better), but I'll definitely give them before EoD. I did obviously give my J-Cop thoughts already.

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 04:36:18:

Day one I said the scans should be done anonymously.  That still applies here, the point is that the scanners come forward after they use their scan so maf can't block or control them.  I'm not in favor of anyone roleclaiming before using their night action, only after.

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 04:45:04:

I said earlier that my opinion on Lenny can change.  I'm willing to give him time to talk, which is why I haven't actually voted for him.  I'm just as confident about my read on Lafungo as I am on Lenny, with the difference being that my opinion on Lafungo probably won't change.  I'd be happy with a Lafungo lynch today, even if he wasn't my first choice.

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 05:09:48:


I'll admit I'm not very good at reading people, I'm much better at wagonomics than I am at picking apart dialogue.  Maybe you don't like me giving Lenny a maf lean, but that's the impression I got from him on day one.  As for Vinnie, I think my scumread on him was justified.  I know it was late in the day, but that was the first opportunity I had after the RVS stage of the game.

Web wrote on 01/10/17 at 10:01:40:

I explained my Lafungo lean on day one.  His explanation for voting for 42 didn't hold a lot of weight.  Then he disappeared for the rest of the day.  He also hasn't shown up today after more than 16 hours, which makes me think he wants to coast through as much as possible.  He would be a good help to the town if he chose to jump in, so why is he avoiding the discussion so much?  He's only made one post in the last 43 hours.

Web wrote on 01/10/17 at 10:01:40:

I'm not saying we shouldn't dig into their interactions, but their interactions probably aren't the main reason they were killed.  In a high power game, maf target players who aren't very likely to be protected.  It's the only way they can guarantee their kills and eliminate town players.  I mentioned Dan as a possibility, but really anyone could have chosen those two.

Anyone else think maybe J-Cop and Lafungo are m/m? Both want to lynch Lenny. J-Cop has thrown some weak shade over Lafungo all game. Lafungo has been that weaker maf lean of J-Cop's this whole time, but hasn't received much attack from him. If they are indeed both maf their partner probably isn't Lenny.

Maybe I'm overthinking it. You guys have put a compelling case on J-Cop but I'm still reasonably sure on Lafungo as well.

What do you think about Lafungo if Vinnie is town? You said on D1 that you thought his push on 42 was probably indicative of trying to draw attention away from the lead wagon. Is he still one of your top scum if Vinny is town? Who should we be looking at otherwise?

J-Cop, would you mind giving a list of reads?

42 wrote on 01/10/17 at 11:43:30:

Who would you feel more confident voting right now, for the moment casting aside the fact that J-Cop currently has three votes on him? (aka don't let the fact he's closer to the lynch play into your response).

DansGame wrote on 01/10/17 at 11:45:28:

At the time, it did look like he might be drawing attention away from a wagon on a scumbuddy.  That's probably not the case any more, but he also could've be avoiding a wagon on a townie to give himself towncred when Vinnie flips town.  His inactivity since then has only made him look worse, so yes, he's still one of my top scum reads if Vinnie is town.