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Question: Which 12 player setup?
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Option 1  
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Option 2  
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Total votes: 11
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #400 - 01/09/17 at 04:45:31
 
Not that it seems to be necessary, but I'll be around until about an hour before the deadline.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #401 - 01/09/17 at 05:55:36
 
"Honestly you guys should vote for web, I cannot see him being town"-Zwiebel

Sorry messed up quotes lol

Does this mean you see a pissibility that Vinnie is town?
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #402 - 01/09/17 at 06:30:49
 
Day ends in 30 mins.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #403 - 01/09/17 at 06:33:01
 
Assuming Vinnie turns up maf, was it a setup to make others look good for the long term? Or do we rhink he actually played horribly? Also Tvk do you have a follow up to my response to your reads on me at all?
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #404 - 01/09/17 at 06:39:01
 
Surprised that 42 hasn't shown back up after he said he would.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #405 - 01/09/17 at 06:41:17
 
LewisRichards wrote on 01/09/17 at 06:33:01:
Assuming Vinnie turns up maf, was it a setup to make others look good for the long term? Or do we rhink he actually played horribly? Also Tvk do you have a follow up to my response to your reads on me at all?


He definitely played horribly. Like I said I think it's unlikely that it's a setup considering how high power this game is. However, it's possible that some of his reads are scripted from a teammate, so it'll be worth examining if he flips maf.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #406 - 01/09/17 at 06:43:12
 
Sounds good, anything else quick we should be discussing in the last 18 minutes?
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #407 - 01/09/17 at 06:45:11
 
Well, personally I wouldn't scan people like TvK and Zac tonight because if Vinnie is maf then they are probably clear IMO. I would save possible scans of them for if Vinnie flips town tomorrow.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #408 - 01/09/17 at 06:46:19
 
Unless the program is more bugged than I'm aware....

Vinnie - 8 votes

TYG - 1 vote
Web - 1 vote
42 - 1 vote


Not voting: Zac

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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #409 - 01/09/17 at 06:47:27
 
One thing that makes me fairly confident about this lynch is I don't think Vinnie ever gave "if you end up lynching me investigate _______ situations" Or "after I turn up town lynch ______"
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #410 - 01/09/17 at 06:49:08
 
Zac is by far the worst person to use a night action now. I do see a world where tvk is maf but it's def not worth using a night action on yet.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #411 - 01/09/17 at 06:52:44
 
LewisRichards wrote on 01/08/17 at 21:42:15:
Okay just thought of this as I was about to fall asleep. I'm serious this is legit the craziest theory but hear me out. Vinnie Dan TvK maf team sounds crazy for sure but I was just thinking and if they were a maf team this is exactly what I would expect them to do. Lets go to Dan and TvK quick. They've both ended up on Vinnie but taken some opposite sides on opinions but have had the same thoughts at different points. So pretty much there's not really a connecting playstyle between the 2 but there's the option that can either of the 2 of them to the finish since they clearly will have different routes to the finish based of the lack of comnection I guess. But anyway you know what they do? They're like yo Vinnie go out and act scummy as hell and we'll play around it. Like Vinnie's acted hella scummy other games but this game is kinda crazy it has to be an act I can't imagine anyone playing that bad. The one thing that troubles me here is Vinnies town lean on TvK... don't really understand that but Dan I think was the one to question him on it, I could be wrong. But anyway they could be doing setups each other to try and look like they're solving the game by themselves. For example Fan's hey tvk have you looked into tyg? And tvks like no but I will now. Seriously there was the me wagon and the vinnie wagon how had he not looked into me. But the one thing I love about this theory most is how it plays perfectly in to Dan's exterminator metagame thing with Vinnie purposely responding immediately being like no there's no exterminator. And then that's the whole start off to Vinnie being maf. But yeah that's my crazy conspiracy before I go to sleep. Just had to post before I lost the thought lol. Will likely look into more tomorrow. Vinnie should still be the lynch I think (as to where I have read, as well as this scenario. But if it's a free maf kill I say lets take it even if it is setup to make the other 2 look better, we can focus on them after... expecially if somehow Vinnie isn't maf this whole thing doesn't make any sense lol) Anyway that's my thought. Not really  my current reads even but more of a possible game. This is exactly how I would expect that team to play. Also Dan's the one who was like Vinnie always plays scummy or whatever so that's there too lol.

At first I thought this was a horrible idea, and then I thought about it. The Vinnie wagon was full steam ahead, when possible Maf!TvK says "wait! Wagonomics say Vinnie is town!" But then when no one gave any reaction,  TvK just decided to keep his vote. Is that hard bussing for townie points with a slip up? Or town wanting to explore other options but no one cares? And iirc (correct me if I'm wrong) TvK has never pushed Dan hard at all.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #412 - 01/09/17 at 06:55:02
 
TvK did say I was the scummiest "non low-hanging fruit" to him and that he thought there was a possible connection between me and TYG. I do think he's probably town if Vinnie is mafia, though.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #413 - 01/09/17 at 06:56:46
 
Did Tvk ever respond to me when I asked why he had you as summiest non low hanging fruit? I don't remember seeing anything.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #414 - 01/09/17 at 06:57:45
 
DansGame wrote on 01/09/17 at 06:55:02:
TvK did say I was the scummiest "non low-hanging fruit" to him and that he thought there was a possible connection between me and TYG. I do think he's probably town if Vinnie is mafia, though.

I agree that he is probably town If Vinnie is Maf now that I think about it, but what if Vinnie's town? Is that post about wagonomics honest town move, or smart Maf trying to gain townie points in the long run when Vinnie flips town?
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #415 - 01/09/17 at 06:59:08
 
Day ends in 1 minute.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #416 - 01/09/17 at 06:59:43
 
Shit, I thought there was another hour until EoD.

Quick post to get in before deadline, I'm disappointed 42 hasn't responded to my first post (hasn't been around at all, in fact). I was mostly interested in people's response to my post. I'm glad Zwiebel called me out instead of blindly agreeing to it like most, town lean on him.

Lenny is a policy lynch tomorrow to me if his D2 is the same as his D1.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #417 - 01/09/17 at 07:00:07
 
It is night, stop posting.

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Re: Mafia: Day 1
Reply #418 - 01/09/17 at 07:03:46
 
Vinnie has been Marked for Death. He will be lynched at the end of Day 2, if he does not die during Night 1.

Final Votes

8 - Vinnie (TvK 95, 42 119, TYG 259, Web 276, Racer 296, Dan 351, Lenny 352, J-Cop 395)

1 - Web (Zwiebel 376)
1 - 42 (Lafungo 263)
1 - TYG (Vinnie 356)


Night lasts for 12 hours; your night actions are due in 11 hours from the time of this post. (Night actions are due 9 PM today, Day 2 starts at 10 PM today.)

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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #419 - 01/09/17 at 19:00:08
 
Racer was found dead in his home last night. He was a Townie.



Zwiebel was found dead in his home last night. He was a Townie.




Day 2 has begun. You may post.

4 Night abilities were used last night.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #420 - 01/09/17 at 19:03:08
 
Majority lynch is in effect. The day will end immediately and there will be an extended night if someone reaches 6 votes. (There are 10 players alive.)
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Re: Mafia: Night 1
Reply #421 - 01/09/17 at 19:06:37
 
well shit...I'd hope that maf had a spare kill action as I think using a kill action as town N1 isn't the best move.

During N1 I was trying to think about how and if/when we should reveal night actions/reports. I wasn't online to respond to your post #398 Dan but I agree that a scan was probably the best/safest action to perform this night.

My opinion is that any scans that come back mafia should be reported, as even though they could have been controlled and misdirected by the mafia it's best to get any information that could potentially uncover mafia out before that player is killed.

Players can only scan once so "roleclaiming" in this sense isn't anywhere near as damaging as a cop claim in a normal game. There are multiple "cops" that lose the usual benefits of that role immediately after its use. We know that there are five total scans distributed among all players, so it's unlikely that the mafia could correctly pick the town players scanning and control their actions.

The obvious downsides are mafia/town control actions confusing the report or mafia members making fake claims, but I feel like the advantages outweigh these. I'm less confident in the positives of revealing town scans as they won't really lead to players under pressure or claimants forced to defend their claims.

Anyone have thoughts about this?



Also, while I do think Lenny is a useless player from what he's demonstrated so far and he's a "safe" lynch today, I don't think we should spend much (if any) time discussing him today unless he actually shows up. He had no interactions with players outside of Vinnie (which wasn't an interaction as much as a vote and leave) and we'll now find out Vinnie's affiliation at the end of D2.
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Reply #422 - 01/09/17 at 19:07:52
 
I know I got some explaining to do. I came back later than expected and was so tired I just went to sleep. Woke up 20 minutes before eod, didn't feel like trying to get caught up and make an accurate judgement in that time, not that it would have done anything.

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Before anyone says anything, no it has nothing to do with him voting me earlier. That does bother me, just a bit, since I feel his vote was based more on what he assumes my playstyle would be like rather than what I have done in the game. Seriously, I am in a game with people generally less experienced, and he thinks I would hold back and just do nothing? Sorry, but I am not the type of player that just lets others do the heavy lifting for me. Perhaps that is a flaw in how I see the game but it's not something I'm willing to compromise on.

But Lafungo's vote felt very very very insincere. If he really thought I was mafia, why did he push it so lightly? He voted me and left it alone. I wouldn't want to just sit here and let my mafread get no heat whatsoever!

I also think he sort of knew that a lynch on me just wasn't going to happen. I think his push was very ungenuine.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #423 - 01/09/17 at 19:08:55
 
Vinnie, whatever your night action was, you are guaranteed dead today so if you are town you may as well tell us what it is.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2
Reply #424 - 01/09/17 at 19:10:48
 
I truly think Lenny is town, just stupid. But it's the kind of stupid that is typically exhibited from dumb town players. Another reason why Lafungo looks worse, he talks about policy lynching Lenny D2! It's like he wants to lynch Lenny without caring as to what his alignment is. That's anti-town behavior.
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