Allright so my attempt to go on Lafungo was actually halh-hearted, while I standn for the argument, we need to hear more from him anyway.

Thing is, look who jumped on that wagon again: Web.

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DansGame wrote on 01/08/17 at 20:24:34:


I think both vinnie and Web are scum, I'm just more confident in Web. Fungo was just a try to see what web would say(that's why I asked him specifically to answer). I think Fungo doesn't look that good from his posts, but I mainly wanted to see Web's reaction.

TvK wrote on 01/08/17 at 17:13:37:


Just throwing out there quick not sure if I missed something earlier... but why exactly is Dan your scummiest "experienced player" read?

Zwiebel wrote on 01/08/17 at 17:05:43:


Missed this. Yeah I agree with your points on Lafungo. I think the main reason he got town points is because people were expecting him to continue being active. I could probably see a Vinnie Web Lafungo team if I had to pick now. I think we should pursue Lafungo for sure, but I still think Vinnie should be the lynch today. (For now of course, anything can happen)

Web wrote on 01/08/17 at 17:14:11:


@Dan

He says he isn't against lynching Lafungo based on my post.

That's what I mean, he just blindly jumps into any possibility that gets opened up to him.

Honestly you guys should vote for web, I cannot see him being town

@tvk 335

Lol making some big callouts here I see. First I'm gonna address that webs allignment was always dependant on linking to vinnie if vinnie flips town idk. But the first reason was I thought webs was trying to divert attention off the Vinnie wagon so that's why it's allignment dependent.

Next thing I'd like to address here is your comments about me not voting. I just wanted to read theough everything first? Is that bad? I had already decided I was likely to vote Vinnie earlier and by the end I just couldn't handle his posts lol there was no way I could see them coming from town.

Next thing to address I believe is you sayingI only had one reason to think Dan was town. The discussion having to have at least one town member incrases the odds for them both a lot lol an it's actually something that has happened not a bunch of people making reads. The next reason I have for Dan which I believed I mentioned was Lafungo's maf reads on 42. I think Lafungo could ve maf, I don't know how good the reads are. But I nean if they're right it neans Dan is 100% town... so that 2nd point isn't as good but I'd still have to say it increases his odds slightly more.

The last thing I need to address was your metagame reasons which I found interesting because you based them off of your previous self and not me. This is my playstyle, I've played like this almost every game. I really don't like when one person votes for me, you called my vote on vinnie hoping on a bandwagon but I'm the one who started the possible webs xonnection, I'm the one who pointed out the causes and effects of what were to happen if a Vinnie lynch occured and this is before my vote too. But the thing I like least about your Vinnie comment was somehow to you Racer's vote on me after 2 posts was not bandwagoning but my vote on Vinnie was... cool. I'll see if I can address anything else in your post if I missed anything and then I'm sleeping sorry I couldn't catch up. Was at a melee tournament http://challonge.com/lauriersmashpaid1

Okay just thought of this as I was about to fall asleep. I'm serious this is legit the craziest theory but hear me out. Vinnie Dan TvK maf team sounds crazy for sure but I was just thinking and if they were a maf team this is exactly what I would expect them to do. Lets go to Dan and TvK quick. They've both ended up on Vinnie but taken some opposite sides on opinions but have had the same thoughts at different points. So pretty much there's not really a connecting playstyle between the 2 but there's the option that can either of the 2 of them to the finish since they clearly will have different routes to the finish based of the lack of comnection I guess. But anyway you know what they do? They're like yo Vinnie go out and act scummy as hell and we'll play around it. Like Vinnie's acted hella scummy other games but this game is kinda crazy it has to be an act I can't imagine anyone playing that bad. The one thing that troubles me here is Vinnies town lean on TvK... don't really understand that but Dan I think was the one to question him on it, I could be wrong. But anyway they could be doing setups each other to try and look like they're solving the game by themselves. For example Fan's hey tvk have you looked into tyg? And tvks like no but I will now. Seriously there was the me wagon and the vinnie wagon how had he not looked into me. But the one thing I love about this theory most is how it plays perfectly in to Dan's exterminator metagame thing with Vinnie purposely responding immediately being like no there's no exterminator. And then that's the whole start off to Vinnie being maf. But yeah that's my crazy conspiracy before I go to sleep. Just had to post before I lost the thought lol. Will likely look into more tomorrow. Vinnie should still be the lynch I think (as to where I have read, as well as this scenario. But if it's a free maf kill I say lets take it even if it is setup to make the other 2 look better, we can focus on them after... expecially if somehow Vinnie isn't maf this whole thing doesn't make any sense lol) Anyway that's my thought. Not really  my current reads even but more of a possible game. This is exactly how I would expect that team to play. Also Dan's the one who was like Vinnie always plays scummy or whatever so that's there too lol.

Vinnie927 wrote on 01/08/17 at 09:05:01:

You finally answer the question about why you're suspicious of him, and then you discredit your own reasoning?  That makes no sense.

Vinnie927 wrote on 01/08/17 at 09:30:15:

Why not?  If you have even the slightest suspicion on someone, you should always pursue it.  What if you're right about him but choose not to pursue it?  That would only help the mafia.

LewisRichards wrote on 01/08/17 at 09:45:43:

Maybe I missed something, but how is that 100%?  They're both smart, I could see them having a maf/maf interaction that makes them both come across as town.  Neither of them have given me a strong maf lean (as of page 10), but I had a hard time reading Dan when he was maf in the high power game, and I don't know 42's play style enough to meta him.  I wouldn't assume either one of them is town just yet.

LewisRichards wrote on 01/08/17 at 09:45:43:

I don't see it as maf/maf between these two.  Yes, he voted for you, but Web pointed out some flaws in Vinnie's posting that I don't think he would've done as his teammate.  That would be some heavy bussing by Web this early in the game, so I don't think it's m/m.  If Vinnie flips maf, then Web is most likely town imo.

Racer727 wrote on 01/08/17 at 21:09:18:

I was at the Packers game.  I left at 10am and didn't get home until around midnight, and I'm not gonna spend my time at a football game paying attention to mafia.




Anyway, I'm having a hard time staying awake.  I'll share some reads, then I need to get some sleep.

Vinnie is my biggest scumread because of his inconsistent logic.  It looks like he got backed into a corner and started grasping at whatever he could to try and save himself.

As I said before, I don't think Vinnie and Web are m/m.  I don't think Web would bus his own teammate so heavily, especially so early in D1.  If Vinnie flips maf, I'm almost certain Web is town.

Lafungo's case against 42 isn't very strong.  Maybe it's a diversion from the lead wagon, or maybe he hasn't read enough to build a strong case against anyone.  I'd find the latter hard to believe, so I have a slight scum read on him.

Lenny showed up and dropped a vote on the lead wagon with no reasoning.  That looks really bad.  I could see he and Vinnie being m/m.  It looks like Vinnie is going to get lynched anyway, so Lenny doesn't risk losing anything by voting for him.

Zwiebel is going aggressively after Web.  I'm going to look into this some more when I'm more awake, but tunneling so much to try and start a counterwagon doesn't look good to me.

I have a town lean on TYG.  His posting so far looks too careless to be maf.  Maybe that's not a good reason to think he's town, but that's what my gut tells me when I read his posts.

Dan, TvK, and 42 all come across as town right now, but I'm not going to assume anything.  All three of them could blend in well as maf.  Once wagonomics come into play, I'll get a better read on them.

Summary: Right now I'm thinking Vinnie, Lenny, and either Lafungo or Zwiebel are maf.

LewisRichards wrote on 01/08/17 at 21:42:15:


I mean, you should definitely keep your theories open, but in a high power game where town has the potential for a bunch of scans, shots, roleblocks and/or controls, it seems like a pretty poor play to sacrifice someone so early on D1 when he's made very scummy posts and been town before.

Scans are probably town's best general action to perform tonight. Keep in mind that even though there could be a good later use for scans, using them before a possible LYLO scenario is almost essentially worthless as anyone could be mafia at that point trying to end the game by lying.

Maybe it would be a good idea to discuss scan targets for tonight? At most mafia can block or control 3 people out of 9 and it's anyone's guess as to which towns have scans. Although, I suppose mafia could just decide to kill whoever we talk about scanning should they be town, so there could be drawbacks...thoughts?