Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register    
 
smk mk64 mksc mkdd mkds mkwii mk7 mk8
general   mafia   smk   mk64   mksc   mkdd   mkds   mkw   mk7   mk8   |   problems   |   discord   irc
 
 
  Home Search Members Login Register
 
  Mario Kart MB › Mario Kart › Mario Kart 64 › Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
‹ Previous topic | Next topic ›
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017 (Read 553 times)
theyounggun
Ex Member
Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
10/18/16 at 12:32:59  
Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017


The Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit is a potential proposal for top mk64 players to compete at a very competitive level of 150cc skips speedrun races for cash prizes. It is a way to grow the mariokart64.com time trials community, speedrun community, and twitch viewership/outside interest for the game.


Table of Contents


Circuit Format
-Season Schedule
-Point System
-Final Season Ranks
-Playoff Schedule
-Playoff Seeding
-Playoff Rankings
-Payout

Preventing Cheating/Stream
-Stream Requirements
-Enforcers

Pot Bonus
-How will it be generated?
-How large will it be?

Payment
-Who will hold the money until payout?
-When will payment occur?
-How will payment be received?





Circuit Format

The Circuit Schedule will start with a Regular Season followed by a single elimination playoff bracket for the top 8 finishers of the Regular Season seeded by the Regular Season Rankings. The schedule/point/rank systems will be provided below. The Races will all take place on Sundays at 2:00PM EST, which is like 7:00 and 8:00 for you Europeans. The start time can be subject to change though if it doesn’t quite work for everyone here.

Note: If you cannot make the Sunday race for scheduling reasons, you can do a run on Friday or Saturday at the sime time to make up for it, same stream rules apply
JULY
July 2nd, Weekly Race 1
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 18 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 12 points
5th Place 10 points
6th Place 8 points
7th Place 6 points
8th Place 4 points
9th Place 2 points
10th Place 1 point

July 9th, Weekly Race 2
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 18 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 12 points
5th Place 10 points
6th Place 8 points
7th Place 6 points
8th Place 4 points
9th Place 2 points
10th Place 1 point

July 16th, Weekly Race 3
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 18 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 12 points
5th Place 10 points
6th Place 8 points
7th Place 6 points
8th Place 4 points
9th Place 2 points
10th Place 1 point

July 23rd, Weekly Race 4
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 18 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 12 points
5th Place 10 points
6th Place 8 points
7th Place 6 points
8th Place 4 points
9th Place 2 points
10th Place 1 point

July 30th, Monthly Race 1
1st Place 50 points
2nd Place 36 points
3rd Place 30 points
4th Place 24 points
5th Place 20 points
6th Place 16 points
7th Place 12 points
8th Place 8 points
9th Place 4 points
10th Place 2 point

AUGUST
August 6th, Weekly Race 5
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 18 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 12 points
5th Place 10 points
6th Place 8 points
7th Place 6 points
8th Place 4 points
9th Place 2 points
10th Place 1 point

August 7th, Weekly Race 6
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 18 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 12 points
5th Place 10 points
6th Place 8 points
7th Place 6 points
8th Place 4 points
9th Place 2 points
10th Place 1 point

August 20th, Weekly Race 7
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 18 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 12 points
5th Place 10 points
6th Place 8 points
7th Place 6 points
8th Place 4 points
9th Place 2 points
10th Place 1 point

August 27th, Monthly Race 2
1st Place 50 points
2nd Place 36 points
3rd Place 30 points
4th Place 24 points
5th Place 20 points
6th Place 16 points
7th Place 12 points
8th Place 8 points
9th Place 4 points
10th Place 2 point

SEPTEMBER
September 3rd, Weekly Race 8
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 18 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 12 points
5th Place 10 points
6th Place 8 points
7th Place 6 points
8th Place 4 points
9th Place 2 points
10th Place 1 point

September 10th, Weekly Race 9
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 18 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 12 points
5th Place 10 points
6th Place 8 points
7th Place 6 points
8th Place 4 points
9th Place 2 points
10th Place 1 point

September 17th, Weekly Race 10
1st Place 25 points
2nd Place 18 points
3rd Place 15 points
4th Place 12 points
5th Place 10 points
6th Place 8 points
7th Place 6 points
8th Place 4 points
9th Place 2 points
10th Place 1 point

September 24th, SEASON END RACE
1st Place 75 points
2nd Place 54 points
3rd Place 45 points
4th Place 36 points
5th Place 30 points
6th Place 24 points
7th Place 18 points
8th Place 12 points
9th Place 6 points
10th Place 3 point



Final Season Ranks will be determined solely by the number of points each competitor finishes with.

In the case of a tie in a Regular Season Race, both players will be awarded the same score.

In the case of a tie outside top 8 it will not be relevant for playoffs or payout so it will be determined by amount of points acquired from races both players were in for a head to head score, if it is still tied it will be determined by highest placing in a quarterly, if still tied, the number of times the placing was reached in a quarterly, if the players are still tied it will be determine by highest placing in a monthly, followed by the number of times that placing was reached in a monthly. If still tied it will be determined by highest placing in a weekly, followed by the number of times that placing was reached. If it is still tied it will be determined by best time reached over the year, comparing circuit personal best times. If it is still tied Overall PB will be compared. If it is still tied both players will compete in a head to head race against each other the weekend following the end of the regular season. If neither player shows up, they will be listed as a tie.

In the case of a tie in the rankings inside of top 8. A playoff race will be played to determine the rank the following weekend. If that race is a tie, both players will continue racing until there is no tie.

After all the the Regular Season Standings are finished being determined, half the total prize pot will be split to the top 8 in a format looking like:
1st. 40%
2nd. 20%
3rd. 15%
4th. 10%
5th. 6%
6th. 4%
7th. 3%
8th. 2%

The playoffs will be in a 4 round 8 player race format that eliminates 2 players each week.
Note: tiebreakers only occur if 2 players have the same time in the regular playoffs round. Otherwise the ranking of the player will be determined by the lowest time from the race.

October 8th, Regular Season Sudden Death Race/Week Off

October 15th, Playoffs Round 1 (top 8)

October 22nd, Playoffs Sudden Death Race/Week Off

October 29th, Playoffs Round 2 (top 6)

November 5th, Playoffs Sudden Death Race/Week Off

November 12th, Playoffs Round 3 (top 4)

November 19th, Playoffs Sudden Death Race/ Week Off

November 26th, Grand Finals

In the event of a tie in any of the above races (between eliminated/ or to eliminate a racer), they will be played until no tie has occurred.

After playoffs have been played, and top 8 determined, the remaining half of the pot will be distributed based on the playoff standings in this format:
1st. 40%
2nd. 20%
3rd. 15%
4th. 10%
5th. 6%
6th. 4%
7th. 3%
8th. 2%



Preventing Cheating/Stream



With some voicing concern over possible cheating in a competition for money, I’ve decided on a couple rules that should do the trick if enforced well.

STREAM REQUIREMENTS
-All runs must be streamed on twitch and submitted after in a designated thread.
Note: Make sure you have twitch setup to archive vods, so you can easily highlight the vods, and send us the links after the run is over.
Note: You may be asked to upload your race vod to a community youtube account so viewers can see past races.
-You will be asked to do a random simple task before each run to prove it is not pre recorded  
Note: You may be asked to start the stream up to half an hour before race time so everyone can be checked before the race starts.

Extras:
-All streams will be streamed to a private server where 4 of the racers will be broadcasted to 1 twitch channel. In the case of the event of acquiring sponsorship, streaming to twitch from your own account will be banned and could lead to disqualification from the circuit. The private server details will be determined at a later time.

ENFORCERS
Any trusted member agreed on by the community who does not participate in the pro circuit can enforce the above requirements.


Pot Bonus



HOW WILL IT BE GENERATED?
There are 2 ways the Pot Bonus will be able to be generated.
Funded by donations inside the community… Not appealing, I know… might be our best bet though.
Sponsors, yep… we esports now… or hopefully. The goal would be to send a proposal similar to this one to various sponsors in order to attempt to make some kind of deal where we advertise them on our streams, or add them to the title of the entire event… stuff like that. In exchange we would hope they could provide a fairly large prize pot.

HOW LARGE WILL IT BE?
-If the pot bonus is donation funded, $100 would be the goal.
-If the pot bonus was sponsor funded, might be able to make the deal for a $1,000 bonus.


Payment



-WHO WILL HOLD THE MONEY UNTIL PAYOUT?
If the payout is provided by the community, the money would be held through the year by a trusted member, probably Jonesy if he’s up for it. If it’s funded by a sponsor the sponsor would most likely hold onto it.
-WHEN WILL THE PAYMENTS OCCUR?
The payments would most likely occur after playoffs are finished during the December off month before next year starts.
-HOW WILL THE PAYMENT BE RECEIVED?
Probably Paypal, unless there are objections?
Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 12/22/16 at 20:56:29 by LewisRichards »  
  IP Logged
DansGame
Legend
*****
Offline

I Love Mark 2.0!

3358 days karting
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #1 - 10/18/16 at 13:55:15  
I love this idea and I hope it can actually get off the ground.  4:00 PM EST will not work for me Saturdays though.  I can imagine that scheduling everyone for the same time every Saturday will be a major hurdle with this!  Maybe the idea can be re-structured to make it work somehow.  (Actually Sunday would work better for me but I don't know how others feel...)
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
theyounggun
Ex Member
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #2 - 10/18/16 at 14:05:16  
DansGame wrote on 10/18/16 at 13:55:15:
I love this idea and I hope it can actually get off the ground.  4:00 PM EST will not work for me Saturdays though.  I can imagine that scheduling everyone for the same time every Saturday will be a major hurdle with this!  Maybe the idea can be re-structured to make it work somehow.  (Actually Sunday would work better for me but I don't know how others feel...)


Yeah, the schedule is definitely not final yet and I'm sure we can find something everyone agrees on!
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
wxyz
Legend
*****
Offline



punched 5481 kiddies
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #3 - 10/18/16 at 16:13:43  
Sat evening is a big no go for me a lot of the time, Sundays would be much better as much more likely to be in.
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
theyounggun
Ex Member
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #4 - 10/18/16 at 16:34:32  
wxyz wrote on 10/18/16 at 16:13:43:
Sat evening is a big no go for me a lot of the time, Sundays would be much better as much more likely to be in.


Ah, yeah sure. Probably going to change it to Sundays then unless there are objections. One idea Beck gave me is if we can't find a date/time that works for everyone we can do a Saturday and Sunday race, and just merge the times together like it was one race.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
MK64MR
Legend
*****
Offline

#1 (NSC)

punched 5866 kiddies
NRW, Germany
Gender: male
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #5 - 10/19/16 at 03:02:15  
The first reactions on Discord weren't that positive, but I didn't read the whole conversation. Would be interesting if enough people join, not mainly because of the amount of money going into the pot, simply because everyone needs a stream setup to take part and I'm not sure how many known players actually have one. Of course I like to join if cheating prevention is enforced, how do we agree on a certain time though? I can already say that I won't have the same schedule for each of these weekends and Jan-Sep is a huge period. Could be too long for some people, I guess. Nevertheless I hope this idea will bring players back to activity, maybe a few new guys to our community and some fun Wink.
@Lewis: Did you post this elsewhere, too?
Back to top
 
 
MK64 non-shortcut champion since 03/03/2013
Live stream: http://www.twitch.tv/mk64mr
Videos: http://de.youtube.com/user/MK64MR
View Profile WWW   IP Logged
DansGame
Legend
*****
Offline

I Love Mark 2.0!

3358 sex records
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #6 - 10/19/16 at 03:11:32  
The length of this might be too much for a first go-round but I think it's a great idea. What about the first discord reactions weren't positive?

Maybe for the first season this could be shortened to a couple months and a smaller pot.
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
MK64MR
Legend
*****
Offline

#1 (NSC)

5866 days karting
NRW, Germany
Gender: male
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #7 - 10/19/16 at 03:17:56  
DansGame wrote on 10/19/16 at 03:11:32:
What about the first discord reactions weren't positive?

As I said, I didn't follow the whole 400-500 posts which showed up in the channel history, somebody just told me about Lewis' ideas about a sponsor and to increase the interest in the game by cash prizes, I replied that a 20 year-old game doesn't attract many people, others agreed. The discussion about money pulling in some cheaters was also part of what I saw.
Back to top
 
 
MK64 non-shortcut champion since 03/03/2013
Live stream: http://www.twitch.tv/mk64mr
Videos: http://de.youtube.com/user/MK64MR
View Profile WWW   IP Logged
DansGame
Legend
*****
Offline

I Love Mark 2.0!

3358 days karting
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #8 - 10/19/16 at 03:28:44  
I occasionally watch Age of Empires streams on twitch. Despite only getting slightly more viewers than Beck does for skips runs, they manage to run cash tournaments and circuits all the time. I agree that the game is 20 years old but plenty of people have great memories of the game and I think that skips races are very interesting to watch and could actually bring in a big audience if marketed correctly. I prefer playing time trials but I think there's no question that skips are much more entertaining to watch than time trials and I think there is a market for viewers out there that hasn't been tapped into. Clint Stevens gets more than 4000 viewers sometimes for his Ocarina of Time streams and much less for any other game he streams.
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
MK64MR
Legend
*****
Offline

#1 (NSC)

5866 holabolas
NRW, Germany
Gender: male
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #9 - 10/19/16 at 03:39:52  
Sounds like an opportunity for us to follow a similar path and reach more viewers of different games, but I have some doubts if enough people like to invest the time and effort. I prefer time trials like you and obviously this gets less viewers. Maybe Beck or somebody else likes to work on a concept to start with a small group of players but still reach viewers out there on Twitch. I rarely watch any gaming streams and have no comparison at all, so I'm not the one to ask for good marketing strategies if this game has any chance to "succeed" in a manner like you said about some other retro games.
Edit: I wished we had more active players or a longer speedrun tradition, I would trade off 100 or 1000 viewers against 10 players because the more people in the chat, the more trash talk you get.
Back to top
 
 
MK64 non-shortcut champion since 03/03/2013
Live stream: http://www.twitch.tv/mk64mr
Videos: http://de.youtube.com/user/MK64MR
View Profile WWW   IP Logged
DansGame
Legend
*****
Offline

I Love Mark 2.0!

3358 days karting
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #10 - 10/19/16 at 03:46:41  
Like I said earlier, if the first season of this was shortened to a couple months at first, it might work much better. Would be easier to commit if it was shorter and get more players.

You, me, Beck, Dotman, maybe Moll, maybe Flippy, maybe Jones, maybe "John Dude", maybe SuperViper, maybe Kyle, maybe Jake, maybe Kyman, maybe even someone like Almolicious, I am sure I am forgetting others as well and could get more players from the TT site interested. We could definitely find enough people to make this happen.
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
DansGame
Legend
*****
Offline

I Love Mark 2.0!

3358 holabolas
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #11 - 10/19/16 at 03:54:15  
Think about how many people pay to watch Nascar races where drivers just turn left for 400 laps (and I say that as a fam of Nascar). People love to watch races, that is very different from time trials. There could be a really big audience for this...
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
theyounggun
Ex Member
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #12 - 10/19/16 at 04:45:44  
Re: Audience, Schedule, and Discord negativity.
I think there's definitely a pretty good market we could tap into for sure. Right now Beck is the only person who consistently streams and I mean he manages to get into triple digit viewers quite a lot I think. If we had 10 players start consistently streaming skips races for cash? That would definitely boost the mk64 ratings on twitch a lot. As far as shortening the season? I'm not sure how I feel about that, no one is going to be able to race every time, but as long as people race the quarterly and monthly races it should be fine. I just like the idea of 10+ players consistently streaming mk64 every week for 9 months and I think a longer schedule is the best way to increase the mk64 exposure people get in twitch. Including playoffs it's an 11 month schedule and I think as a viewer it would be interesting to watch the entire thing through. As far as the negativity on Discord goes I think it was more of that I hadn't had a proposal laid out for people to look at, also my original plan was for an entry fee which people didn't receive too well, also the first question asked was about cheating and I didn't have a definite answer at that point. But the hope is with a well laid out proposal people are more open to the idea.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
wxyz
Legend
*****
Offline



5481 days karting
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #13 - 10/20/16 at 08:49:21  
So how would the races be broadcast? Would there be a main stream that captures say 4 of the best streams and commentates or would it be just a case of people having to use multitwitch or the SRL streams view to watch whoever they wanted?
from what I have seen on Twitch, races with with proper restreams and commentary get a lot more viewers
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
theyounggun
Ex Member
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #14 - 10/20/16 at 11:15:33  
wxyz wrote on 10/20/16 at 08:49:21:
So how would the races be broadcast? Would there be a main stream that captures say 4 of the best streams and commentates or would it be just a case of people having to use multitwitch or the SRL streams view to watch whoever they wanted?
from what I have seen on Twitch, races with with proper restreams and commentary get a lot more viewers


Interesting question,  I'd pretty much be up for anything as far as streaming goes.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
theyounggun
Ex Member
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #15 - 10/27/16 at 17:52:50  
Yo, schedule proposal updated btw. Sorry for the delay Tongue
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
theyounggun
Ex Member
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #16 - 11/23/16 at 11:09:58  
Attention everyone: If you do not get a pm on discord/forum (most likely discord if you have it) in the next 24 hours and you want to, or are thinking about participating in the circuit next year, please pm me. I want to discuss specifics with all of you so hopefully we can find solutions that work for everyone.

Thanks!
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
theyounggun
Ex Member
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #17 - 11/24/16 at 13:10:16  
Just to give everyone an update there are 9 players currently interested plus potential for those who haven't yet responded. So we're in good shape I think Cheesy
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
no control
Legend
*****
Offline



helped 6572 people
Croatia,Zagreb
Gender: male
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #18 - 11/25/16 at 12:39:07  
This looks interesting, count me in. Got to get back to playing  Undecided.
Back to top
 
 
MY VIDS:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Zoki741

http://www.twitch.tv/kizo741

2022 goals: The real comeback!
View Profile   IP Logged
theyounggun
Ex Member
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #19 - 12/21/16 at 16:10:35  
UPDATED: PLEASE READ
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
MK64MR
Legend
*****
Offline

#1 (NSC)

helped 5866 people
NRW, Germany
Gender: male
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #20 - 12/22/16 at 05:24:03  
Can you tell in a few words which part of the 1st post you've updated?
Back to top
 
 
MK64 non-shortcut champion since 03/03/2013
Live stream: http://www.twitch.tv/mk64mr
Videos: http://de.youtube.com/user/MK64MR
View Profile WWW   IP Logged
theyounggun
Ex Member
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #21 - 12/22/16 at 06:04:53  
Yeah for sure.

Start time and make up days edited

Playoffs format edited (Added an additional sentence just a minute ago also)

Stream requirements edited

Questions section currently removed to make the proposal look more finalized.

If anyone still has any ideas on any changes/improvements make sure to let me know. Otherwise this should be the final edit of the proposal.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
DansGame
Legend
*****
Offline

I Love Mark 2.0!

3358 holabolas
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #22 - 06/15/17 at 02:40:35  
Ummm...???
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
Toughstache1
Elite
***
Offline



hit 3468 moles
Tennessee
Gender: male
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #23 - 06/15/17 at 03:16:38  
DansGame wrote on 06/15/17 at 02:40:35:
Ummm...???


Oh I guess you missed it.  I already won everything repeatedly and everyone quit.  Poor everyone else.
Back to top
 
 
My vids ---> https://www.youtube.com/user/ToughStache

MK64 God
View Profile   IP Logged
theyounggun
Ex Member
Re: Mario Kart 64 Professional Race Circuit 2017
Reply #24 - 06/21/17 at 18:14:22  
Hey everyone, sorry I've been super busy with school. Got into a good business school in Toronto so I'm just keeping my average up and just finishing up exams.

I emailed about 20 companies, unfortunately none of them were able to come through with a sponsor. I will on the other hand guarantee a $100 USD prize pot, this will likely just be my own money but if people want to pitch in that's cool. Still not sure where it will be streamed, but I should have all the info by next week.

My last exam is Tuesday so I'll try to be more active again after that. Sorry for the delay.

Anyway this thing will likely start as scheduled, so be ready for then and gl  Smiley
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
‹ Previous topic | Next topic ›
 
  « Home ‹ Board
Mario Kart MB » Powered by YaBB 2.2!
YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved.