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Reply #952 - 08/14/16 at 15:04:39

no control wrote on 08/14/16 at 14:57:17:

You didn't answer my 2nd question directly, but from what you wrote about pushing for YS, i guess i can assume in case Kyle and YS are t/m combo, town would be kyle...

I would say that YS is the highest likely of all players to turn out maf right now, so obviously I would have to answer that kyle is more likely town if one of them had to be town. However, I think the chance of m/m is a lot higher than t/m.

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Reply #953 - 08/14/16 at 15:14:54

no control wrote on 08/14/16 at 05:10:41:

This was a post i made yesterday, but decided to wait a bit to see if TYG or YS will say anything...

Since YS and TYG are not able to defend them selves and i highly doubt they are m/m i have decided to check people opinions on them. Their names were thrown around a lot so i wanted to see who put them down as maf.

TYG

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:34:00:

and my 2 biggest scumreads are Michele/Lewis.

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:56:44:

So Leone managed to rig his own life and we lost a town cop already!? TYG's reads on those two were slight maf or definitely maf, can't be any good....

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P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:39:44:

TYG is my biggest maf lean, like it is for various people it seems.
[vote]TYG[/vote]

Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:33:06:

So... is TYG next? He seems very scummy.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:48:36:

t.

Tl;dr: TYG is the most scummy person on this wagon.

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:02:33:

I would wager a guess that at least 1 of TYG's scumbuddies is in this list of 5, maybe both.

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:16:35:

I actually considered the TYG wagon for a few minutes, it felt genuine and I was getting very slight doubts about Leone

Zwiebel wrote on 08/13/16 at 10:53:58:

I think the TYG wagon was good, and if TYG flips Maf then I'm pretty sure TvK is Maf too and tried to save his buddy by making the wagon seem less appealing to other Town players.
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DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 13:01:24:

TYG, independently of anything else, is still my top scumread.

Only person that has never posted against TYG is alak (at least i didn't find any, correct me if i'm wrong).

As for YS:

DAY 1 only from John although he made fun of YS day 2

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:25:53:

TYG's posts, as a whole, have been pretty bad I think. I'm not going to parrot what others have already said about it. Can really say the same about YS too - I don't think anything they've done has been helpful to town in any way whatsoever.

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I'm now catching up and will try to stay as active as possible, right now I'm at page 14.

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/12/16 at 12:43:16:

I'd have to reread them as I didn't had much time earlier today, so I'll get to this when I've reread them.

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:00:28:

I also look forward to his posts, unless he already did (still catching up)

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:34:07:

also need to reread them after I got some sleep.

4 of YS's 5 most recent posts. Seriously.

Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 10:13:23:

I feel like the way this wagon started is the first way TvK mentioned it. TvK starts, town members join, then TYG and Kyle join in, other Maf. Again, just a theory, as IO'm leaning more towards YS being a Maf instead of Kyle.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 14:47:59:

Conclusion: yes the possibility of a TYG/YS/Zwiebel team exists

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:44:05:

I'm baffled at ALAK's post. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that this is maf bussing maf, since maf!ALAK would notice maf!YS having such shitty posts. Thinking he's a lost cause, maf!

Zwiebel wrote on 08/13/16 at 10:53:58:

About YS, I think he's just a terrible player, can't tell if bad Maf or bad Town. I wouldn't be opposed to go for him too today, and like Alaktorn already said it could also have implications on kyle/TvK if he flips Maf. I think he needs to post more and his alignment will become super obvious at one point. If he keeps laying low though, I think he's a really good lynch today.
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ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:25:28:

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[vote]Yoshistar[/vote]

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 17:21:03:

YS: As usual... all over the place, and being a huge follower for wagons with bad logic. I know I've pretty much played the same way this game and I'm sorry but YS has contridicted himself and even called me "fluffgun" despite his own horrendous play.

Conclusion: Decent chance he could be mafia but it could also just be his usual sloppy play.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 14:55:11:

Okay, so I have a slight maf lean on YS and TvK now; I do find it suspicious that TvK initially didn't go after YS like Dan mentioned.

DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 13:01:24:

. However, I think a Yoshistar lynch would be really good as well and tell us a lot about you. First of all, YS is a confusing player and doesn't add much to the game when he posts. In addition, consider this...

If YS is mafia, TvK is also likely mafia and TYG is likely town. Yoshistar generally feels threatened by the presence of TvK in most games because TvK goes hard after him most of the time as part of his inexperienced player scumhunting plan. However, Yoshistar's first reaction to TvK today was feeling very comfortable with TvK's play.

TVK alak and Zwiebel also made pretty big posts attacking YS.

Just to make clear, There are more posts of people attacking YS and TYG, i just wanted to list a least one from everyone. I also went for both.

What is the point of all this:

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 16:45:21:

no control wrote on 08/13/16 at 16:14:12:

Alak quick question, what are the chances TYG is mafia for you right now?

Not low, but I think there are better targets. Just about the only thing I have on TYG is that he seems to be staying under the radar a lot, while as a Townie he’s usually skeptic of everyone and calls out lots of people as Mafia. This is why I want him to start posting.

Alak commented on TYG only after i specifically asked him and his comment was not that aggressive.
Alak is the only person that didn't went for TYG (correct me if you find something). This makes me think Alak and TYG are either t/t or m/m.

As for YS, everyone went for him. PAF and TYG not that much, but still enough in my eyes.

Just based on game play, tyg is much better in my eyes. What makes me suspicious of him is his "connection" with Alak and as i said before, if there was a mag save yesterday, it was him.

On the other hand YS game play is horrific. As we saw, pretty much everyone went for him. To me it means 2 things. Either he is town ot maf gave up on him.

At this point, i believe TYG is town and YS is maf.

I think YS is maf and unless he speaks, this is the best lynch. However, let's not waste too much time on YS, let's look for others.

Zoran, you made this post and yet you think TYG is a better lynch today than YS? Look at TYG's read on YS. TYG made that post about YS after the heat was already hard on TYG D2 and he doesn't go outright after YS even though YS would be the easier lynch. Meanwhile YS had no problem voting right away for "fluffgun" who the most pressure was obviously going to be on at the start of the day.

Apart from that, how much do you really believe Alaktorn and TYG can be m/m buddies? Alaktorn's post that he made in response to you about TYG is easily explainable if Alaktorn is just a member of town. We all know that Alaktorn likes to create strong worlds in his head and convinces himself of them. He came out with that post on Yoshistar and I think his mind has been mostly on Yoshistar connections today, not thinking as much about TYG. This could be done as mafia but it's not an obvious mafia tell IMO. Correct me if I am wrong Alaktorn about your thinking, or Zoran feel free to cite more info here.

I was hard on TYG yesterday but the way this day has gone more and more makes me think that YS is both the best lynch, and most likely mafia. I'm not opposed to the pressure on Kyle but it would take a lot for me to want to lynch him today when he hasn't said that much. Kyle has been playing very scummy but there's a chance his vote on YS today was like my early vote on Leone yesterday, which was that as a member of town you would be okay with that person getting lynched and flipping mafia, even if it looks bad and you getting lynched as a member of town tomorrow. Alternatively Kyle could have decided YS was a loss today and just bussed him. Either way I think YS is still a better lynch for today.

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Reply #955 - 08/14/16 at 15:24:13

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 17:21:03:

So, I couldn't disagree more with John saying the wagon on me is clean. I think TvK pointed this out earlier, but between me and Leone it doesn't matter who's lynched still a win for mafia and probably even looks better to vote for me and get the 2nd wagon going. I saw John say these wagonomics what looked like a few times to me, and sure they work unless you consider the possibility that I'm town... I mean seriously come on.

Another thought I've had is if I'm mislynched who will look the worst? Probably the person who pressured me the most. But... I disagree, maf won't want to look bad so they'll probably support the wagon on me but avoid the interactions and pressuring me. Right now if I remember correctly, 6 people meet this criteria:

Racer
PAF
YS
John
Zwiebel
Kyle

PAF: Sort of been following and going back and forth with opinions... seems to be easily influenced. Wouldn't be surprised if he was town even with this behavior, this is his first game I think and he seems to be trying to help town imo although I don't like the way he defends pressure, one of his last posts it also felt like he needed to ensure us that he was town.

Conclusion: Too soon to tell, could go either way.

Racer: I actually think he's trying hard and trying to make his own reads also, he may look scummy from wagon stuff but I think his votes were genuine.

Conclusion: town read

YS: As usual... all over the place, and being a huge follower for wagons with bad logic. I know I've pretty much played the same way this game and I'm sorry but YS has contridicted himself and even called me "fluffgun" despite his own horrendous play.

Conclusion: Decent chance he could be mafia but it could also just be his usual sloppy play.

John: The one who came up with the flawed wagonomics... possibly to defend Zwiebel from the top player mafia member????

Conclusion: Insisted on flawed wagonomics, pretty bad... seriously I think there's a pretty good chance he could be maf

Zwiebel: The only person here that seems to be in lists of top players and also on my list. For a top player that's very suspicious of me don't you think he would try and interact with me??

Conclusion: Very large maf read

Kyle: Doing the same as the rest and laying back saying my play is poor and I look scummy but not interacting with me in the slightest. I expect better play from Kyle if he's town

Conclusion: maf read

Overall conclusion: I'm abandoning my thoughts on TvK and Dan, cleared my head didn't focus on the pressure they gave me and yeah I think their pressure on me was clean and they pressured me too much to be maf imo. Even just out of these 6 people, I think there could be 3 maf.

My feeling about TYG is that as a mafia member he would have focused mostly on trying to lynch Yoshistar today which would be the easy way out for him. Instead his reaction is to focus on something that some people said today which is that the TYG wagon was likely clean. If TYG is a town member then that's where he sees people trying to mislynch from this idea. To me this is a townie post.

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Reply #956 - 08/14/16 at 15:25:24

You know what, i agree with you Dan. With Kyle in the picture, i will gladly drop TYG. I would also like to add some thoughts on TYG.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 18:26:13:

Okay hey, don't really have time to read these sorry I'm so late but I'll post my reads real quick...

ALAKTORN Not sure yet, slight town lean onsidering I agree with his reads on Dan and Leone
Dan I pointed out his posts earlier about me, I think he was trying to use me as a an escape from the pressure
John Really not sure yet...
Zwiebel Really not sure yet either actually, I have a town read right now though
Yoshistar fluff, can't read at all
P.A.F. I have a slight town read
Racer strong town lean, one of my strongest actually I think. He's made good posts and I liked his exchange with sportsguy
TvK Had a large maf lean on him until a post he made about the wagon on me earlier, seemed to make a lot of sense to me
Leonestrongest maf lean already explained
Kyle Not sure yet, kinda hard to read him
Zoran Really not sure yet, but I have a town lean
Sportsguy the racer exchange with him was interesting... slight maf lean

I'm really sorry this is mostly fluff, but I thought it would be good to post an update for you guys since you seem to be pressuring me

This post however bad it is, actually helps TYG case in my eyes.
Why would a maf post that 2 townies (Leone and SG) are his biggest maf lean and a slight maf lean at the very EOD when we will find out in a minute that he is wrong? Again it can be orchestrated by smart mafia, but i think that theory is stretched. Also, TYG wagon D2 went off right away with 4 people on him (without 2 who voted im D1).

Yes this means i think both TYG and ALAK are likely town. Not dead set on it, but likely.

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Reply #957 - 08/14/16 at 15:25:33

DansGame wrote on 08/14/16 at 15:14:54:

We all know that Alaktorn likes to create strong worlds in his head and convinces himself of them. He came out with that post on Yoshistar and I think his mind has been mostly on Yoshistar connections today, not thinking as much about TYG. This could be done as mafia but it's not an obvious mafia tell IMO. Correct me if I am wrong Alaktorn about your thinking, or Zoran feel free to cite more info here.

You’re right. It’s not like I haven’t looked at TYG though, I understand why people think he’s scummy, but I feel like he’s Town.

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Reply #958 - 08/14/16 at 15:26:40

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 15:20:51:

I totally agree with Dan here

Dan, if YS flips Maf, would that make kyle more or less suspicious to you?

I don't think that there is any way that Kyle votes on Yoshistar out of the blue if the team is exactly Kyle/Yoshistar/TvK as Alaktorn suggested it could be earlier. Considering that part of my read of Yoshistar being mafia is the strange interactions between him and TvK and the possibility that they are m/m, it would make Kyle look less suspicious, however I wouldn't clear him for it and I could certainly be wrong somewhere.

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Reply #960 - 08/14/16 at 15:43:37

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:02:33:

Interesting to note, when TYG was scum in Shock's first game, he mentioned a few of his scumbuddies in his first list of reads, and had them all listed as town with little to no explanation. disecting his reads post comes up with these 5 people he has listed as town:

ALAK (unsure)
Zwiebel (unsure)
PAF (slight town)
Racer (strong town)
Zoran (unsure)

I would wager a guess that at least 1 of TYG's scumbuddies is in this list of 5, maybe both.

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:16:35:

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kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:44:57:

PAF I'd like you to address your EoD actions. As TvK said, your actions were without a doubt scummy. The way I'm seeing your EoD is that you unvoted because you knew there was no point in staying on Dan since his wagon wouldn't take off. However, when ALAK said he'd take the hit for you if you voted Leone, and you felt that was your out and decided to keep your vote on Leone in order to assure a townie dies D1.

If this is indeed the case, I would say it's fair to asssume he (and his other scumbuddy) were trying to protect a scumbuddy that had significant heat on them, which would be TYG. This works as well because I would expect these 2 players to panic. The question is, at this point, who's the mastermind behind it all...

Anyways, PAF, I'd like you to let us know if you actually thought Leone was scum, and if so what tipped you off on it. Also, I want to hear others thoughts on PAF, because I don't think these actions should go without a serious discussion.

Why did you choose to make your first post all about PAF? Is he your top scumread at this point? Or is there something you expect him to answer that will give you a more clear view? What is your current read on specifically TYG, John and Racer? What is your opinion on the Leone wagon? Or the TYG counterwagon?

PAF's EoD set off alarms for me. I wanted to get some discussion about him today since most of it is centered thus far around TYG and John. To that note, I think TYG is also maf, as I feel that him refusing to put his list of reads up was more of him not wanting to say anything that would link his scumbuddies to him (such as him listing them as town reads like he did in Shock's game). Racer keeps oscillating for me. I like his scumhunting, and he's taking some big risks if he's mafia going after some power players, but when he gets some momentum going he turns defensive. It almost feels like he's doing just enough scumhunting for town points and then turns around and demands people clear him. More over, I'm not a fan of his attacks on SG. Seems like he was trying to attack a low hanging fruit. He's played with him twice now and should know that SG is silent, but a very strong player regardless of faction. As for John, I'll need to do some more research on him. I've been focusing more on these other guys, so I haven't spread my scope to cover him.

Leone wagon was justified imo. Couldn't get much out of him, and on the surface he seemed like he was hiding information. I actually considered the TYG wagon for a few minutes, it felt genuine and I was getting very slight doubts about Leone (some of his EOD posts were felt kinda townie but were just too little too late). I'm not sure what to make of the people that were on it, but for now I'd say it was a town driven wagon.

I just thought of this, imagine how much of a shitshow it would be if the mafia team is TYG, PAF, and Racer.

These are Kyle's first three posts at the start of the day (the second quote contains his first and third post). If people think he's mafia then I don't think he is with TYG. Interestingly, his first post of the day was PAF. But then he easily followed right onto the TYG wagon when it was popular and tried to come up with TYG mafia buddies among people that I am leaning town.

I could be wrong about TvK/YS and maybe Kyle is actually his partner. Kyle's seen how this day has gone and knows that I have been pushing the TvK/YS connection very hard, so maybe he's just bussing YS and aiming for a TvK mislynch tomorrow. Obviously, Kyle's play since he has been linked to YS has been much scummier than TvK's posting since TvK has sat here out in the open and tried his butt off.

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Reply #961 - 08/14/16 at 15:45:01

I see you Kyle

You became one of lynch candidates, hope to see some posting.

Af for Tyg, there is just 1 thought stopping me from thinking Alak and him are 100% town. If anyone got saved yesterday it was TYG, it might be happening again today with Alak making a diversion with Kyle. In that case Tvk alak and TYG are m/m/m. However i don't think we are that lucky.

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Reply #962 - 08/14/16 at 16:03:34

Other stuff I found going back over Yoshistar's posts...
Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:29:39:

Okay ALAK's first post at #20 was agreeing PAF about Dan's post being scummy and votes out of the blue. Not sure if he explained it, but please do if you didn't.

Dan attacking ALAKTORN because "you want to keep Yoshistar around instead so you can confuse him into thinking you are town".

Then ALAK at #38 accuses Dan as maf, starting a bandwagon, Racer follows him.

Not gonna mention all stuff in this post, but ALAKTORN looks town to me, I find it interesting he put me as town because of Daniel, what are your personal thoughts about me ALAKTORN?

Leone voting ALAKTORN in his first post, ALAKTORN finds it scummy, I agree on that one. C'mon Leone, you know this is bad, explain this.

Current maf leans:

-DBMK64
-MKChingChong
-Racer (although very weak lean, but for now I can't trust him as town)

Town:

- PAF (confused townie)
- ALAKTORN

Where is Zwiebel? He should post something.

His first set of reads. Doesn't mention TYG anywhere.

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DansGame wrote on 08/12/16 at 09:54:49:

I'm curious to hear what other people think of TYG.

Well he's not doing bad so far, although I can't really tell what side he is on. I also look forward to his posts, unless he already did (still catching up)

Can't really read TYG yet.

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:56:44:

So Leone managed to rig his own life and we lost a town cop already!? TYG's reads on those two were slight maf or definitely maf, can't be any good....

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Totally rigged, but jokes aside it was interesting, I noticed TYG started to act very weird when Leone's lynch was so good as confirmed, his content isn't clear to me and he definitely needs to explain this.

Suddenly he's Yoshistar's best lynch candidate today?

Note that Yoshistar only made two posts between the second one I quoted here and the third one. how did TYG become Yoshistar's vote so quickly? Maybe because Yoshistar is mafia and saw TYG as the easiest lynch today.

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Reply #964 - 08/14/16 at 16:03:58

Definitely not voting YS, that would mean making a similar mistake as D1. But please, pay attention to my last post about him, is he doing it on purpose?
Okay, kyle seems a bit scummier now; besides, maybe a decent maf player could just pbring to attention my D1 EoD which sucked...
You know what...
[vote]Kyle[/vote]
I just feel more comfortable voting someone like him. I mean TYG feels like one of the worse players here (although not as much as YS), maybe he just wasn't paying attention or something. I feel like he could help town as well.
May luck be with me this time.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #965 - 08/14/16 at 16:05:20

Definitely not voting YS, that would mean making a similar mistake as D1. But please, pay attention to my last post about him, is he doing it on purpose?
Okay, kyle seems a bit scummier now; besides, maybe a decent maf player could just pbring to attention my D1 EoD which sucked...
You know what...
[vote]Kyle[/vote]
I just feel more comfortable voting someone like him. I mean TYG feels like one of the worse players here (although not as much as YS), maybe he just wasn't paying attention or something. I feel like he could help town as well.
May luck be with me this time.
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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #967 - 08/14/16 at 16:07:14

TvK wrote on 08/14/16 at 01:56:54:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 19:34:16:

I guess my last post works for @Zwiebel too

My question rn is why does John just accuse me from going from bad to worse and doesn't respond to my logic on why his wagonomics are wrong?

Either way there's no reason to clear everyone completely on my d1 wagon.

John is who I'm most confident with now so I'm gonna place my vote here and hopefully put some pressure on him

[Vote] John [/vote]

Hmm, once again your read has changed without you saying why it did so. In your reads post, both Zwiebel and Kyle are higher up the scum ladder. Zwiebel gets the free towncred because you missed his question but I take his place and I'm your biggest scumread. But then John is the one who gets your vote? Did he answer in such a scummy way that he's done enough to warrant your vote?

At this point, TYG has me thoroughly confused. I *think* this vote is because he disagrees with my wagonomics argument from last night? Now that I think about it, it'd be nice to hear what others have to say on the same questions I asked him yesterday:
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/13/16 at 20:01:25:

Lewis, the votes on you at the end of D1 were as follows:
Dan
Zoran
Leone (confirmed town)
Timur
How many maf do you think are on this list, since you think it's not clean?

The *current* votes on you are:
Racer
YS
PAF
Same question, how many maf do you think are on this list? I'm assuming you don't think this list clean, right?

Then, if you think both Kyle and I are likely maf, and neither of us is currently on a wagon for you, that means you either think one of your wagons (D1 or D2) is clean, OR you think there are 4+ maf.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 19:34:16:

doesn't respond to my logic on why his wagonomics are wrong?

Because I don't think your logic flies. Timur has already addressed it anyway - the mafia had plenty of time to split over 2 wagons and be happy with either result if you were truly town. Here's the breakdown of the timing of votes on you:
Dan (6 hours before EoD)
Zoran (3.5 hours before EoD)
Leone (6 minutes after Zoran)
Timur (1.5 hours before EoD)
As Timur says, there was plenty of time for maf to jump on your wagon, but it didn't happen. Why?

TvK wrote on 08/14/16 at 02:10:54:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 22:22:17:

It legit seemed to me that they were more of leading questions to get your point across than actual questions. To answer your question though I think there's 1... I'm obviously not certain though, it's literally just my Zwiebel lean... so yes it's possible there weren't maf on that wagon, the goal was more of to try and prove that your wagonomics are completely wrong and you said them a few times seeming like you were trying very hard to clear the 4 people on that wagon. So yes I think there is probably 1 maf on my d1 wagon but I'm not certain and there could be none but the point is those 4 people are definitely not cleared. 2nd list, I could also see a maf from that considering 0 of the 3 have had any interactions with me. And having a maf lead on you and kyle does not mean I'm certain about either of you, kyle I'm definitely not sure of... you on the other hand I have some confidence in for being maf.

As John points out in his post below, this post is nonsense, and it's what you have been doing all gamme long: nothing. A couple of posts ago you say you keep your vote on John for pressure's sake, but John posts one more thing he disagrees on with you and suddenly you're not sure about anything anymore. Your entire premise when coming back in was based around the fact that your wagon wasn't clean, and now suddenly the possibility of there not being any maf on your wagon is just as viable. I cannot see how you, as a member of the town, are so worried about not making mistakes and constantly revisiting your theories when someone disagrees with you.

I really like the bolded part of TvK's sentiment here. As townies, we started this game with NO information - it's okay to try to put out legitimate discussion points, even if we later find out they are wrong, so long as they ultimately lead somewhere useful. Have conviction in what you say, but it's okay to change when *new information* comes out (don't just change because people don't like what you say).

I'm not sure if TvK is trying to teach Lewis how to play or if he's just making a legitimate townie-point, but this mindset is how we're going to win the game.

I know Dan put some heat on TvK, but I don't think maf!TvK would make this kind of post regardless of TYG's alignment...if TYG is maf, he can tell him this privately, if TYG is town, why would maf!TvK try to help his play? It seems a small thing, but this post makes me feel TvK is likely town.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #968 - 08/14/16 at 16:08:25

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/14/16 at 16:03:58:

Definitely not voting YS, that would mean making a similar mistake as D1. But please, pay attention to my last post about him, is he doing it on purpose?
Okay, kyle seems a bit scummier now; besides, maybe a decent maf player could just pbring to attention my D1 EoD which sucked...
You know what...
[vote]Kyle[/vote]
I just feel more comfortable voting someone like him. I mean TYG feels like one of the worse players here (although not as much as YS), maybe he just wasn't paying attention or something. I feel like he could help town as well.
May luck be with me this time.
Going to sleep now.

WHAT?

Kyle goes from townie for his start of D2 play to your final vote tonight?

WHAT?????

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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #969 - 08/14/16 at 16:11:09

no control wrote on 08/14/16 at 14:16:02:

Yoshistar, what is your view of Kyle and what is your view of this late attempt to lynch him?

TYG, i saw you are suspicious of Kyle, is he a better lynch then YS?

Just reading up here. Yeah, I don't really like the way Kyle has played at all really. In his last post (up to where I have read) he says he'll keep an eye on me like he is for YS if I show up even though I've been way more active than him and I've posted a lot better content than him... something just didn't sit right with me there. As of right now I can't decide who's worse but hopefully there's some more information while I keep reading that will make me make a decision. But seriously neither of them seem like they've contributed at all to me and at least it seems like YS is trying? I'm gonna keep reading here and get back to you.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #970 - 08/14/16 at 16:15:15

Damn go away for a few hours and next thing I know I'm a late wagon, although I can't say I didn't see it coming.

If you must know, I went out with some friends tonight and just got home. I've been following the posts though and I gotta say, there's some really wishy washy play. I think it's very convenient for YS to use my inactivity for his advantage. The way I'm seeing it, he sees an out and decides that he'll push it.

Also is it just me, or has YS posting been much... better since last night? It almost seems like he's being fed lines of what he should say to town to look good. Think my vote will stay on him for good, we need to rid the town of this scum.

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Reply #971 - 08/14/16 at 16:15:46

Kyle has played scummy, but I feel strongly that he should not be the lynch today. You can learn stuff about him through both TYG and YS lynches. If Kyle gets lynched and flips town that would be HORRIBLE for town since he hasn't said a lot today. If you feel like he's scummy put him under heat tomorrow but I think for today it's important that people make a choice between Yoshistar and TYG.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #973 - 08/14/16 at 16:19:49

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/14/16 at 16:07:14:

TvK wrote on 08/14/16 at 02:10:54:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 22:22:17:

It legit seemed to me that they were more of leading questions to get your point across than actual questions. To answer your question though I think there's 1... I'm obviously not certain though, it's literally just my Zwiebel lean... so yes it's possible there weren't maf on that wagon, the goal was more of to try and prove that your wagonomics are completely wrong and you said them a few times seeming like you were trying very hard to clear the 4 people on that wagon. So yes I think there is probably 1 maf on my d1 wagon but I'm not certain and there could be none but the point is those 4 people are definitely not cleared. 2nd list, I could also see a maf from that considering 0 of the 3 have had any interactions with me. And having a maf lead on you and kyle does not mean I'm certain about either of you, kyle I'm definitely not sure of... you on the other hand I have some confidence in for being maf.

As John points out in his post below, this post is nonsense, and it's what you have been doing all gamme long: nothing. A couple of posts ago you say you keep your vote on John for pressure's sake, but John posts one more thing he disagrees on with you and suddenly you're not sure about anything anymore. Your entire premise when coming back in was based around the fact that your wagon wasn't clean, and now suddenly the possibility of there not being any maf on your wagon is just as viable. I cannot see how you, as a member of the town, are so worried about not making mistakes and constantly revisiting your theories when someone disagrees with you.

I really like the bolded part of TvK's sentiment here. As townies, we started this game with NO information - it's okay to try to put out legitimate discussion points, even if we later find out they are wrong, so long as they ultimately lead somewhere useful. Have conviction in what you say, but it's okay to change when *new information* comes out (don't just change because people don't like what you say).

I'm not sure if TvK is trying to teach Lewis how to play or if he's just making a legitimate townie-point, but this mindset is how we're going to win the game.

I know Dan put some heat on TvK, but I don't think maf!TvK would make this kind of post regardless of TYG's alignment...if TYG is maf, he can tell him this privately, if TYG is town, why would maf!TvK try to help his play? It seems a small thing, but this post makes me feel TvK is likely town.

TvK is saying how he doesn't see TYG makes that post as a town member. If TvK is mafia and TYG is town, OF COURSE he makes that point because he's trying to get a mislynch.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #974 - 08/14/16 at 16:25:50

DansGame wrote on 08/14/16 at 16:15:46:

Kyle has played scummy, but I feel strongly that he should not be the lynch today. You can learn stuff about him through both TYG and YS lynches. If Kyle gets lynched and flips town that would be HORRIBLE for town since he hasn't said a lot today. If you feel like he's scummy put him under heat tomorrow but I think for today it's important that people make a choice between Yoshistar and TYG.

I disagree. I don’t think TYG is likely to flip Maf, while Kyle and YS are. I’d rather not see TYG votes today, or ever. But it’s up to others to use their vote.

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