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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #825 - 08/13/16 at 20:01:25

Lewis, the votes on you at the end of D1 were as follows:
Dan
Zoran
Leone (confirmed town)
Timur
How many maf do you think are on this list, since you think it's not clean?

The *current* votes on you are:
Racer
YS
PAF
Same question, how many maf do you think are on this list? I'm assuming you don't think this list clean, right?

Then, if you think both Kyle and I are likely maf, and neither of us is currently on a wagon for you, that means you either think one of your wagons (D1 or D2) is clean, OR you think there are 4+ maf.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 19:34:16:

doesn't respond to my logic on why his wagonomics are wrong?

Because I don't think your logic flies. Timur has already addressed it anyway - the mafia had plenty of time to split over 2 wagons and be happy with either result if you were truly town. Here's the breakdown of the timing of votes on you:
Dan (6 hours before EoD)
Zoran (3.5 hours before EoD)
Leone (6 minutes after Zoran)
Timur (1.5 hours before EoD)
As Timur says, there was plenty of time for maf to jump on your wagon, but it didn't happen. Why?

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Reply #826 - 08/13/16 at 20:09:42

Leone wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:15:01:

He's my scummiest read because I'm 90% sure maf are on my wagon (see me as an easy mislynch), and because he seems reluctant to focus additionally on other people, as if he's trying to avoid retaliatory heat. That being said, TYG is looking worse with each post. If John is scum he'll do plenty more weird things before the game is up, and I think eliminating TYG may tell us some things about YS (re: "TYG is doing fine") and maybe some others.

[vote]theyounggun[/vote]

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LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:35:34:

I would give all my reads, but they will hurt town if I'm wrong. I was thinking something might have happened with Dan in the next posts and yeah, I'm more convinced on him than I was, but I've hated some of Leone's posts here, I'll explain in the next post. But anyway, [Vote] Leone [/vote]

It will hurt town if we lynch you and you are town even more. There are a few good posts about TYG i agree with, as for me, this last one rubbed me the wrong way the most. I want ot see those reads and explanations.
[vote]TYG[/vote]

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 17:10:16:

Leone wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:56:31:

On Zwiebel:

Opens with strong accusations of Dan, but he had all day to craft those posts.

Zwiebel, given current developments, who would be the best lynch? You flipped from 'lynch Dan' to 'lynch me' to 'lynch Dan' again. Also, any leans on TYG, YS, John, Kyle or PAF?

I'm pretty sure I always was in favor of lynching Dan over you.

I'm actually not sure what the best choice is right now...I mean, the whole day was actually just people being mostly all over Leone. There were attempts to create other wagons but none really took off. I went super hard on Dan cause I wanted to get another wagon going, and he seemed like the best choice for it. I still think his claim wasn't good Town play and that he is possibly scum, however my main reason was that I did not only want one wagon for EOD, cause that's the worst possible scenario for us. The TYG wagon is a good shot, but maybe it's too late. I just think you get a lot more information if there's actually a close votecount until the end.

Either way, just putting all of my leans out in case I die:

Town:

Zoran (I already explained why, had some fluff early, but pressured a lot of people, some good points)

Alaktorn (I don't see him being so arrogant and aggressive as a Maf player. Hasn't done much, but he's pretty close to his usual self, which for me is an indicator of not acting, but just saying whatever comes to his mind. Maybe not the most helpful D1, but I'd give him a town lean for now)

Racer (mainly gut feeling, but I get a lot of Town vibes from his posts. Tries to be useful, not too aggressive, but not afrad to say anything either. Tried to put heat on Sportsguy, which I liked)

Neutral:

Sportsguy (always plays like this D1, literally impossible to read D1. I don't like his style of doing that every game, but then again if he thinks it's the right approach I guess we'll have to live with it.)

TvK (gives me Town vibes, but it's D1 and I think he's one of the best players in this game, so I don't think those Town vibes mean much at all so far. Need more time and info to figure him out)

John(No idea honestly, but I haven't read too much into him tbh. Hasn't posted much)

Kyle(Had some posts with things that I actually agree on, but also has some posts just wagoning without own arguments. Not sure right now.)

P.A.F (gut feeling said Town, but his last vote on Leone looks pretty terrible. Undecided.)

Mafia:

Dan (I already explained a lot why I think he's fishy. Obviously speaking against him being Maf is the fact that he is posting a lot and seems to try very hard to get conversation goin. I still think it might just be him panicking and trying to deal with the pressure he had in the beginning by posting a lot, but he has made some fair points(and some that don't make sense to me.)

Yoshistar (I don't really remember him adding anything useful to this game so far. Has posted that he will read through and give us analysis , but I don't remember him actually doing it. Needs to step up D2 or he should be a candidate for lynch tomorrow)

TYG (basically the same as Yoshistar to me, didn't really add anything of value to the discussion, easy on the trigger to jump on other people's leans without own insight. Should also be investigated closely tomorrow..or maybe lynched today?)

Leone (Voting for himself is pretty dumb, but then again it's kind of a strange move to do if you are Mafia(or Town too for that matter...)Might just be dumb Town or Mafia..I'd rather lean to Mafia right now, but it's a close call.

Honestly, since the choice seems to be between Leone and TYG, I'm actually gonna go ahead and say that I think both could flip Maf, but I think TYG is more likely to flip Maf than Leone. And on top of that it gives as a second wagon for EOD, which as I said is imo better than just having one lynch with no counterwagon. Maybe I will reconsider in the time left, but for now I'll

[vote] unvote [/vote]
[vote] TYG[/vote]

These are the last 3 votes on TYG after Dan started it way earlier. After the initial first two votes there are still 4 hours left, after my post little less than 2 hours. People who were stil active after my last vote:

Me
Kyle
Alaktorn
Racer
TvK
Zoran
Dan
Leone
Younggun

9 people, one of them you. There was still a possibility of votes going over to you anyway. I don't know how you can say that leone was already confirmed lynch there.

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TvK wrote on 05/27/14 at 03:07:54:

You should all listen to Timur. He's an onion.

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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 3358 sex records	Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes Reply #827 - 08/13/16 at 20:16:39 Just throwing out there that this argument TYG and John are having seems highly unlikely to be m/m. That being said, for now I still think Yoshistar is the best lynch. He REALLY needs to contribute tomorrow.
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Reply #828 - 08/13/16 at 20:19:36

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/13/16 at 20:01:25:

Lewis, the votes on you at the end of D1 were as follows:
Dan
Zoran
Leone (confirmed town)
Timur
How many maf do you think are on this list, since you think it's not clean?

The *current* votes on you are:
Racer
YS
PAF
Same question, how many maf do you think are on this list? I'm assuming you don't think this list clean, right?

Then, if you think both Kyle and I are likely maf, and neither of us is currently on a wagon for you, that means you either think one of your wagons (D1 or D2) is clean, OR you think there are 4+ maf.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 19:34:16:

doesn't respond to my logic on why his wagonomics are wrong?

Because I don't think your logic flies. Timur has already addressed it anyway - the mafia had plenty of time to split over 2 wagons and be happy with either result if you were truly town. Here's the breakdown of the timing of votes on you:
Dan (6 hours before EoD)
Zoran (3.5 hours before EoD)
Leone (6 minutes after Zoran)
Timur (1.5 hours before EoD)
As Timur says, there was plenty of time for maf to jump on your wagon, but it didn't happen. Why?

The point isn't that there are guaranteed maf on these wagons, the point is your logic isn't 100% guaranteed and it's not right to just dismiss them even if they are clean on both wagons it's possible that they aren't all clean and the fact we're even having this argument shows that it's possible that they aren't all clean.

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Reply #830 - 08/13/16 at 20:27:03

DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 20:16:39:

Just throwing out there that this argument TYG and John are having seems highly unlikely to be m/m.

Obviously from my perspective it's not a m/m situation, but from your perspective, what seems more likely here...t/m or t/t?

DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 20:16:39:

That being said, for now I still think Yoshistar is the best lynch. He REALLY needs to contribute tomorrow.

Do you actually think that's going to happen? I know you say that YS is the *best* lynch, but does that necessarily mean that you think he's the scummiest person right now, or would you give that title to someone else?

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Reply #831 - 08/13/16 at 20:34:21

For awhile I've had TYG at the top of my scumlist, but YS is also pretty damn scummy and his lack of response to everything that happened despite being here is horrible. Like I said, he needs to contribute a lot tomorrow. Otherwise he'll be my lynch choice.

You and TYG could either be t/m or t/t. I'll think more about it tomorrow after I wake up.

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Reply #832 - 08/13/16 at 20:38:17

The thing about YS is if he turns out to be maf we get an unprecedented amount of information if Alak's post on him is correct... if he turns out to be town we litterally get nothing lol

So yeah, he could be a good lynch but I'm going to stick with my John vote for now since I still want the pressure to be on him and I think there's a better chance of him being maf... I think YS is pretty random... so idk about him.

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Reply #833 - 08/13/16 at 21:57:18

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 17:21:03:

So, I couldn't disagree more with John saying the wagon on me is clean.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 20:19:36:

The point isn't that there are guaranteed maf on these wagons

From first quote, you seem confident that there are maf on your wagon (I'm presuming you mean D1 wagon on you here, please correct me if I'm wrong). From the second quote, now you're saying it's possible that there aren't maf in that wagon?

Are there or are there not maf on the D1 wagon on you? In fact, it'd be great if you could answer all the questions in 825, since I already asked this question there lol.

Time to hit the hay, will be back in the morning.

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Reply #834 - 08/13/16 at 22:22:17

It legit seemed to me that they were more of leading questions to get your point across than actual questions. To answer your question though I think there's 1... I'm obviously not certain though, it's literally just my Zwiebel lean... so yes it's possible there weren't maf on that wagon, the goal was more of to try and prove that your wagonomics are completely wrong and you said them a few times seeming like you were trying very hard to clear the 4 people on that wagon. So yes I think there is probably 1 maf on my d1 wagon but I'm not certain and there could be none but the point is those 4 people are definitely not cleared. 2nd list, I could also see a maf from that considering 0 of the 3 have had any interactions with me. And having a maf lead on you and kyle does not mean I'm certain about either of you, kyle I'm definitely not sure of... you on the other hand I have some confidence in for being maf.

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Reply #835 - 08/13/16 at 22:39:19

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 22:22:17:

It legit seemed to me that they were more of leading questions to get your point across than actual questions. To answer your question though I think there's 1... I'm obviously not certain though, it's literally just my Zwiebel lean... so yes it's possible there weren't maf on that wagon, the goal was more of to try and prove that your wagonomics are completely wrong and you said them a few times seeming like you were trying very hard to clear the 4 people on that wagon. So yes I think there is probably 1 maf on my d1 wagon but I'm not certain and there could be none but the point is those 4 people are definitely not cleared. 2nd list, I could also see a maf from that considering 0 of the 3 have had any interactions with me. And having a maf lead on you and kyle does not mean I'm certain about either of you, kyle I'm definitely not sure of... you on the other hand I have some confidence in for being maf.

Either I'm half asleep (entirely possible, I'm posting this while I'm in bed lol) or this post is complete fluff:
you think there's maf on wagon, but not sure, possibly not (btw, one of the 4 is completely clear, or have you already forgotten who was on that wagon?)
maybe maf on second wagon
maf lean on kyle, definitely not sure though

If the only thing you have confidence in is me being maf, you need to reevaluate this entire game, because you're dead wrong on the one thing you appear to believe.

Closing my eyes for real, good night haha.

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Reply #836 - 08/13/16 at 23:10:39

Also posting from bed lol. I mean you're the lead I'm most confident on or whatever, I still have confidence in my other leads just not as much. I mean the main point I'm trying to drive in here is that it's definitely not impossible (saying the opposite of your wagonomics) for a maf member to be on that wagon and it infact seems probable to me especially since your wagonomics posts seemed so eager to clear them. If you think about it, if we lynch you and you're maf... there's definitely a maf on that wagon. But I mean, can't rule out the chance of you being town yet. Yeah, anyway also closing me eyes immediately after this post lol

Oh yeah, guess Leone was on that but yeah of the remaining 3 (Dan, Zoran, Zwiebel) I still think there's a maf (leaning strongest on Zwiebel) anyway yeah holy crap tired gn lol

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Reply #837 - 08/14/16 at 01:22:12

Zwiebel wrote on 08/13/16 at 16:58:27:

When did I ever have a confident read of TYG? I'm pretty sure I never said I am confident about TYG's alignment, I said I think he's more likely Maf than Town, because he only repeats what other people say and is basically useless, just like YS.

Thing is, YS was actually here and posted how long until EOD after someone asked. So he seems to be following the thread, yet he did not write a single word about accusations on him. I did push TYG to write and answer my questions too, he just hasn't been here yet to answer them. If he's gonna act like YS and just ignore everything, I'll be on his ass just as much as YS's. I just hope he's gonna show up soon and actually answer some questions.

And about the TYG wagon yesterday, I thought it was good just for the sake of having another wagon and not only the leone wagon, who was leading so strong. I was hoping some other people would join, but it wasn't the case; on top of that I thought TYG was more likely Maf than Leone. Don't know where you get the confident read from.

You clearly thought TYG was more scummy than Leone yesterday. The people who were with you on the TYG wagon were Zoran (your top town read) and Leone (confirmed town). The only one that you could be slightly worried about would be Dan, who was a scumread in your last readspost. However, he was the weakest of your scumreads, behind YS and Kyle. That added to the fact that TYG's wagon had a lot of chances to develop, and it didn't, wouldn't that only make your suspicions on TYG bigger?

It's funny again how your read on YS changed throughout the day. You once again start the day by saying you don't know YS is just bad or mafia. And you make this post well after ALK made his theory about YS/Kyle/me. In one of your next posts, you suddenly say "if YS and Kyle are maf, then TYG probably isn't". I thought you were always a player to find his own way around the mafia field, not someone who just takes over the theories of others. Especially when those theories suddenly make your top scumread a townread.

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Reply #838 - 08/14/16 at 01:32:19

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 17:47:48:

Okay, holy shit I did not read this stuff close enough the first time. If you think about it, TvK can also fit on my list but sort of in a different way as an exception. Because basically although I would think he's pressured me too hard to be maf, he has the fact that he stopped the first TYG wagon to fall back on and say "hey I'm not actually that bad, see my initial read was right " or something like that... so yeah this stuff on TvK is actually crazy, he could definitely be maf.

So for my maf leads then it can work out to...

TvK
John
YS
Zwiebel
Kyle

I can't really follow you here, TYG. So mafia has to be in the people putting pressure on you (today or yesterday?). Does that mean that you think the people on Leone's wagon were all town and they get a free pass? I'm reading and rereading your first post, but I still don't understand what you're trying to say. Anyway in your first post you say this:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 17:21:03:

Another thought I've had is if I'm mislynched who will look the worst? Probably the person who pressured me the most. But... I disagree, maf won't want to look bad so they'll probably support the wagon on me but avoid the interactions and pressuring me. Right now if I remember correctly, 6 people meet this criteria:

What if you ask the same question about Leone? I was the one leading the charge on Leone all day and I gathered all the votes necessary to get him lynched. Well, now imagine I was mafia and I knew Leone was going to flip town, why would I go out of my way to start this entire wagon myself, knowing that I would face the heat the entire following day? Mind that when I started the wagon, there was already a little bit of suspicion on Leone. I could've just waited for someone else to start that wagon and picked myself a nice spot in the middle of the wagon (something that for example YOU or John were able to do).

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Reply #839 - 08/14/16 at 01:36:36

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 18:29:41:

@Zwiebel sorry, can't believe I missed that post. Yeah the thought of Dan TvK mm was more of a gut feeling so I didn't have any more info, just sort of my own seperate stuff on both. I just think that Dan sort of enlightened me on the fact that TvK could also be on my list since sure he applied a lot of pressure but he still had the fact that he stopped the wagon to back himself up if I'm mislynched, so I had sort of moved away from my earlier TvK read, but I just think it's cool that my initial read on him could be right.

As far as the wagonomics go I don't think my logic is wrong. I should have explained better but rather than people who want me as the #1 lynch I sort of meant anyone who would have been fine with the lynch of me in general.

Also I had no idea you had tried to ask me something earlier, I definitely feel less suspicious of you now but I'm still not sure.

This post is exactly why so many people think you are scum. You just randomly pop in to this thread and you make a couple of seemingly random reads (like for example, an apparent gut read on both me and Dan). The next up, when people don't like your read you come crawling back making excuses for why your reads aren't that good. And then suddenly, when the general consensus moves back to one of your random reads (in this case, me) you're all like "see, I kind of knew it all along". You know, I was trying really hard to imagine a world in which you were not scum, but with every new post you make, I have to revisit that thought.

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Reply #840 - 08/14/16 at 01:51:36

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 18:29:41:

@Zwiebel sorry, can't believe I missed that post. Yeah the thought of Dan TvK mm was more of a gut feeling so I didn't have any more info, just sort of my own seperate stuff on both. I just think that Dan sort of enlightened me on the fact that TvK could also be on my list since sure he applied a lot of pressure but he still had the fact that he stopped the wagon to back himself up if I'm mislynched, so I had sort of moved away from my earlier TvK read, but I just think it's cool that my initial read on him could be right.

As far as the wagonomics go I don't think my logic is wrong. I should have explained better but rather than people who want me as the #1 lynch I sort of meant anyone who would have been fine with the lynch of me in general.

Also I had no idea you had tried to ask me something earlier, I definitely feel less suspicious of you now but I'm still not sure.

Also, are you even reading this thread? You come in with this weak theory on the people trying to get you lynched and you act like nobody ahs even missed you in this thread, because you say "I have answered all question". And then when someone points out a post you missed, they get a townread out of it? If that's the case, then here these are all questions that you either didn't answer or that you answered with "I don't know" or another answer that I wasn't satisfied with.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:48:36:

I'm so sorry guys, I really thought that Leone was going to flip scum last night. And on top of that we fucking lose our cop. We really need to get it right today, or we're going to have a really hard time winning this game.

Anyway, the best thing we can do right now is analyse the wagonomics of the previous day. I think it's best to divide the people voting Leone into different categories. I've got a feeling that at least 2 and possibly even the entire scumteam was on this wagon.

I've put Kyle between brackets because he could be put in either category 2 or 3.

1. The instigators: TvK, PAF, ALAKTORN, Dan
2. The second wave: John, TYG(, Kyle)
3. The latecomers: (Kyle,) TYG, Sportsguy, PAF, Racer

There are two ways that a wagon on a townsperson can take off: either mafia started the wagon, together with some townspeople, with another member soon joining. Or townspeople started the wagon and some opportunistic maf members made sure it got up to speed. In either case, the people in the 2nd group are the first ones to look at.

Anyway, I'm still having a lot of trouble seeing either Dan or ALAK as mafia. I must admit that the end of day shenanigans have changed my townread on PAF to a neutral and even a slight af read. At first I was fine with him switching to Dan, but his unvote a couple of hours before the end of day didn't make sense at all, and felt a lot like a coasting scum. And finally his final vote onto now a confirmed town member, even after switching off of this confirmed town member earlier in the day, has got some of my scumlights flashing.

It's fitting that both of the people in the middle group were also Leone's top two scumreads. I'll have to look back at John's exact posts, but I feel like he found himself an easy road onto Leone's wagon and was happy enough to stay there all day, without getting any heat himself. Even worse is TYG, who even unvoted Leone, only to put his vote back on him when his own wagon started taking off.

I don't think Kyle's vote is too much to look at at this point, because in my eyes it felt quite genuine. PAF's vote is bad for reasons I have already explained above. Sportsguy is confirmed town now, so I don't think analysing his vote is worth it. But then Racer. Normally I would say this is the vote of a townsperson, because it wouldn't make any sense for a maf member to put an extra vote on someone who was already always goign to be the lynch. But it's exactly the fact that I got to this conclusion so quickly that I started questioning this. Kyle had already voiced his concern about Racer, and I'm inclined to follow him in this. This is someting that can very easily be planned in the mafia chat, and it's something that can render a lot of free towncred. I'm very much keeping my eyes on Racer at this point.

In my next post, I'll analyse the other wagon movement.

Tl;dr: TYG is the most scummy person on this wagon, followed by a tie between John, PAF and Racer.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:49:23:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:43:36:

Well fuck, you guys keep talking about how I need to provide some answers or whatever but I'm gonna need some questions first

LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 18:26:13:

Okay hey, don't really have time to read these sorry I'm so late but I'll post my reads real quick...

ALAKTORN Not sure yet, slight town lean onsidering I agree with his reads on Dan and Leone
Dan I pointed out his posts earlier about me, I think he was trying to use me as a an escape from the pressure
John Really not sure yet...
Zwiebel Really not sure yet either actually, I have a town read right now though
Yoshistar fluff, can't read at all
P.A.F. I have a slight town read
Racer strong town lean, one of my strongest actually I think. He's made good posts and I liked his exchange with sportsguy
TvK Had a large maf lean on him until a post he made about the wagon on me earlier, seemed to make a lot of sense to me
Leonestrongest maf lean already explained
Kyle Not sure yet, kinda hard to read him
Zoran Really not sure yet, but I have a town lean
Sportsguy the racer exchange with him was interesting... slight maf lean

I'm really sorry this is mostly fluff, but I thought it would be good to post an update for you guys since you seem to be pressuring me

Why do you have barely any reads on anyone? And why are the only two players you're scumreading now dead and flipped town?

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:01:28:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:57:14:

I scumread Dan too...

I hadn't really gotten good reads by eod, I was just trying to post my current thoughts which sucked.

And this is exactly why so many people scumread you. You seem unable to come up with "believable" reads and when people question you, you only call upon your previous mistakes as an excuse. I can't see the townishness in any of your reasoning.

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LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:20:47:

Fine, I'll give you my reads.

Probably gonna get lynched over it but I think Dan and TvK are m/m

For Dan I thought his attacks on me were weak and only with the purpose of diverting the attention on him away and I think he knew that he could make the attack on me work since he knows from previous games and stuff that I crumble under pressure.

I had a d1 small maf read read on TvK for a while. Mostly up until he stopped the wagon against me. Something a maf definitely wouldn't do because it was a great chance to stop scum Leone from being lynched and a chance to save him. But then guess what? Leone flips town, where does that place TvK? A great position to give the go ahead on the wagon against me.

Those are my reads anyway... probably screwed myself guaranteed here but if you mislynch me you at least have something to follow here.

Did you consider the things that are happening today in these reads? I don't know if you've noticed but Dan has switched off of you (and face it, you're a very easy lynch today) and he has put his vote on me. How does that add up if we were mafia buddies?

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LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:29:54:

@TvK idk, I feel like that's just good play by Dan. It's all a plot against me to lynch me later but not look as bad by looking for other leads? Idk, I'm still not sure where I'm placing my vote

If you look at my bigger post about the wagon on Leone, who would you think are the scum on it, and in which positions do you think we could find them?

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A general question to everyone: 8 people were on the Leone wagon. Only 5 were not. Sportsguy was on Leone, but he turned out town. Leone obviously wasn't on himself. I kind of want everyone to answer this question: how many members of the mafia team do you expect to be on Leone? And what does that learn us about the counterwagon on TYG?

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Reply #841 - 08/14/16 at 01:54:24

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 19:28:38:

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 19:08:29:

@TYG so who on your wagon do you think is maf?

I believe Zwiebel voted for me closest to eod and after TvK stopped the wagon... so I think he's the most likely. I'm still not certain yet though.

As people have already pointed out: you're straight up wrong about the timing of people voting you. Either you haven't read the thread properly, or you're using false information to implicate others. In either case, you're hurting town.

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Reply #842 - 08/14/16 at 01:56:54

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 19:34:16:

I guess my last post works for @Zwiebel too

My question rn is why does John just accuse me from going from bad to worse and doesn't respond to my logic on why his wagonomics are wrong?

Either way there's no reason to clear everyone completely on my d1 wagon.

John is who I'm most confident with now so I'm gonna place my vote here and hopefully put some pressure on him

[Vote] John [/vote]

Hmm, once again your read has changed without you saying why it did so. In your reads post, both Zwiebel and Kyle are higher up the scum ladder. Zwiebel gets the free towncred because you missed his question but I take his place and I'm your biggest scumread. But then John is the one who gets your vote? Did he answer in such a scummy way that he's done enough to warrant your vote?

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Reply #843 - 08/14/16 at 02:06:02

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 20:38:17:

The thing about YS is if he turns out to be maf we get an unprecedented amount of information if Alak's post on him is correct... if he turns out to be town we litterally get nothing lol

So yeah, he could be a good lynch but I'm going to stick with my John vote for now since I still want the pressure to be on him and I think there's a better chance of him being maf... I think YS is pretty random... so idk about him.

What? You don't think YS will flip scum, but you still want to lynch him because it will give us more information? You even say it yourself: we don't get anything out of it if YS flips town. If you cannot convince yourself that YS is scum, then there is no point in trying to get him lynched.

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Reply #844 - 08/14/16 at 02:10:54

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 22:22:17:

It legit seemed to me that they were more of leading questions to get your point across than actual questions. To answer your question though I think there's 1... I'm obviously not certain though, it's literally just my Zwiebel lean... so yes it's possible there weren't maf on that wagon, the goal was more of to try and prove that your wagonomics are completely wrong and you said them a few times seeming like you were trying very hard to clear the 4 people on that wagon. So yes I think there is probably 1 maf on my d1 wagon but I'm not certain and there could be none but the point is those 4 people are definitely not cleared. 2nd list, I could also see a maf from that considering 0 of the 3 have had any interactions with me. And having a maf lead on you and kyle does not mean I'm certain about either of you, kyle I'm definitely not sure of... you on the other hand I have some confidence in for being maf.

As John points out in his post below, this post is nonsense, and it's what you have been doing all gamme long: nothing. A couple of posts ago you say you keep your vote on John for pressure's sake, but John posts one more thing he disagrees on with you and suddenly you're not sure about anything anymore. Your entire premise when coming back in was based around the fact that your wagon wasn't clean, and now suddenly the possibility of there not being any maf on your wagon is just as viable. I cannot see how you, as a member of the town, are so worried about not making mistakes and constantly revisiting your theories when someone disagrees with you.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #845 - 08/14/16 at 04:03:59

I have gathered a lot of info, need to make some nice posts out of it:

I will start with Alak

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:53:29:

I’m fucking shocked… Why the hell would Sportsguy even try to Town clear himself by saying “if Leone flips Mafia”? Mafia will always kill Town cleared players, they can’t be lynched… and you want to get cleared as the Cop? What the fuck? Wow, this is so bad.

I was hoping the Cop would help us out today but we’re fucked. This is the worst possible position for Town, wow. I would try to go after Dan, but if people want to lynch TYG, I guess I’ll go along with that. My reads may have been all wrong…

I still think Racer and PAF are Town, at least…

I'm shocked that this is your 1st reaction after your d1 gameplay. I have commented a lot on your 1st half of D1 so i won't go to much into that again. 2nd half of your D1 was just crazy. All your posts in the entire 2nd half of D1 led to conclusion that me, Leone and Dan are m/m/m.

You didn't comment on anything else for entire 2nd half of the day and all you have to say on D2 after Leone flips town is "my reads may have been wrong" !?

You completely missed it and lost 2nd half of D1 on it.

I really liked your post about PAF there in D1

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ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:54:14:

PAF, you also agreed with him. What was your reasoning?

I don't think we're talking about the same thing, I was referring mostly about page 2 first post.
Also what does "TMI'ing" mean?

TMI means Too Much Information, Mafia are the informed side.

I’m talking about your page 1 post here:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 06:49:41:

DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 06:47:47:

Are you TMI'ing that you know Kyle is town with this post?

good point this is obv. a slip
[vote]Racer727[/vote]

You agreed with him, even voted Racer.

He made his move based on something he does not understand. This is terrible. And here you do the same:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/13/16 at 11:01:00:

Are you trying to pocket me?

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P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 11:57:10:

Oh, and, what exactly does "pocket" mean? sorry for being noob, I haven't seen this in other games. I thought i understood in D1 due to context but now i'm confused...

I don’t know either, but I assumed it meant “buddying up”. Like, “hey let’s be friends” so you don’t suspect them of being Mafia.

I really wanted to give you some time off in D2 to see how you react since you collapsed after my attacks on D1 mid day. I really don't see how people are clearing you as town, especially since you continued to come on me and Dan. Since i know i'm town and i'm 100% convinced Dan is town, any suspicion you show against us doesn't help.

I will admit you turning your focus to something else is better. You are not my top scum read anymore, more like 50/50. Some more thoughts on that later.

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Reply #846 - 08/14/16 at 04:27:39

And here is some more on PAF so you guys don't think i forgot about you.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:45:19:

You know what I accept ALAK's challenge.
[vote]Leone[/vote]
If he flips town then my 1st vote on D2 will be on ALAK and I may push on him.
See ya until then...

This is just super bad from BOTH sides, but only if we are looking at t/t combination.
PAF not only didn't recognize that ALAK completely lost it, he failed to realize that his play was perfect mafia play.
Take this from mafia perspective. A townie offers you a free pass on a vote since he will take full responsibility. Not only that it offers you a way out if
the target (Leone) turns town, it gives you a valid reason to go after Alak. Definitely not a townie behavior from PAF

And then just continues hid D1 following routine.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:07:41:

TYG maf lean, but I can't tell more than what has been said.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:03:55:

Leone was my 2nd maf lean as I had mentioned back then. I think what tipped me off was his "if I flip town you will look bad" type of sentence, which I think someone pointed out... but then again that "someone" might've been TYG...
His self-vote also looked weird, could've been maf trying too hard to look town.

Also note that, while ALAK was the one who suggested me to vote; I also felt like TYG was a counter wagon run my the mafia, as TVK suggested. Some people also suggested to me that unvoting was my worst option, so I voted...

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:39:44:

TYG is my biggest maf lean, like it is for various people it seems.
[vote]TYG[/vote]

This isn't my permanent vote obviously. I still think I can't see and understand everything that's mentioned in this game...

If you don't understand ask.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 11:54:45:

I've been thinking about the Racer/TvK interactiona and... I can't conclude much, they're both neutral to me now.

Comes out with maf reads, but states after that 1 is hard to read. Not good.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 14:55:11:

Okay, so I have a slight maf lean on YS and TvK now; I do find it suspicious that TvK initially didn't go after YS like Dan mentioned.
YS is a bit hard to read due to noob...
Going to sleep now.

Small posts, going with the flow, same as Alak 50/50.

Will have lunch then i'll post some more on other people.

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Reply #847 - 08/14/16 at 04:49:37

Okay, I'll keep my vote on TYG, he seems the most likely to be maf. His weird behavior on D1, being inactive and only commenting on people on the spotlight at first; then he wasn't consistent on his leans and his vote. Then on D2 he seems to refuse giving his reads at first and then seems to distort some of the interactions and ideas by some people in his benefit. I don't think he's this stupid...

Besides, I wouldn't risk lynching neither YS nor TvK, for nearly opposite reasons: YS sucks so much at this, his "scummy" behavior might just be him not taking the game seriously or just his natural behavior; TvK because, if he's town, then we've lost one of our key players.

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Reply #848 - 08/14/16 at 05:09:23

Zwiebel wrote on 08/13/16 at 15:07:20:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 14:21:31:

Okay, I see some pressure on YS. I'd usually warn that most of his "scummy" behavior is just being a noob and there's no point in risking another noob mislynch... however some of the things pointed out caught my attention... let me reread for a moment to see if I can make a conclusion...

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 14:55:11:

Okay, so I have a slight maf lean on YS and TvK now; I do find it suspicious that TvK initially didn't go after YS like Dan mentioned.
YS is a bit hard to read due to noob...
Going to sleep now.

That's all you were able to gather after that time? Why do you have a slight Maf lean on YS all of a sudden, especially since you say he is "hard to read" as noob?

Yeah, I think I'm having a harder time than most people in making decent conclusions, even after rereading lots of posts...
I think most of the stuff that gave me the maf lean on YS was TvK's post. One thing caught may attention:

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 13:10:53:

All of his other 5 posts contain either promises to catch up or announcements that he's going to go to sleep. Are his mafia buddies happy with the way he was able to get through the first day without receiving any of the spotlight? Did they instruct him to maybe post something and lay low for the rest of the day? I can see this possibility.

I think TvK is more likely to be maf than YS now, he seemed to take some things too seriously in that post about YS.

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Reply #849 - 08/14/16 at 05:10:41

This was a post i made yesterday, but decided to wait a bit to see if TYG or YS will say anything...

Since YS and TYG are not able to defend them selves and i highly doubt they are m/m i have decided to check people opinions on them. Their names were thrown around a lot so i wanted to see who put them down as maf.

TYG

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:34:00:

and my 2 biggest scumreads are Michele/Lewis.

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:56:44:

So Leone managed to rig his own life and we lost a town cop already!? TYG's reads on those two were slight maf or definitely maf, can't be any good....

[vote]fluffgun[/vote]

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:39:44:

TYG is my biggest maf lean, like it is for various people it seems.
[vote]TYG[/vote]

Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:33:06:

So... is TYG next? He seems very scummy.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:48:36:

t.

Tl;dr: TYG is the most scummy person on this wagon.

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:02:33:

I would wager a guess that at least 1 of TYG's scumbuddies is in this list of 5, maybe both.

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:16:35:

I actually considered the TYG wagon for a few minutes, it felt genuine and I was getting very slight doubts about Leone

Zwiebel wrote on 08/13/16 at 10:53:58:

I think the TYG wagon was good, and if TYG flips Maf then I'm pretty sure TvK is Maf too and tried to save his buddy by making the wagon seem less appealing to other Town players.
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DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 13:01:24:

TYG, independently of anything else, is still my top scumread.

Only person that has never posted against TYG is alak (at least i didn't find any, correct me if i'm wrong).

As for YS:

DAY 1 only from John although he made fun of YS day 2

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:25:53:

TYG's posts, as a whole, have been pretty bad I think. I'm not going to parrot what others have already said about it. Can really say the same about YS too - I don't think anything they've done has been helpful to town in any way whatsoever.

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Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/12/16 at 12:20:31:

Hey all, I'm back from hunting Pokémon... again Roll Eyes

(I blame my parents Roll Eyes

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I'm now catching up and will try to stay as active as possible, right now I'm at page 14.

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/12/16 at 12:43:16:

I'd have to reread them as I didn't had much time earlier today, so I'll get to this when I've reread them.

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:00:28:

I also look forward to his posts, unless he already did (still catching up)

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:34:07:

also need to reread them after I got some sleep.

4 of YS's 5 most recent posts. Seriously.

Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 10:13:23:

I feel like the way this wagon started is the first way TvK mentioned it. TvK starts, town members join, then TYG and Kyle join in, other Maf. Again, just a theory, as IO'm leaning more towards YS being a Maf instead of Kyle.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 14:47:59:

Conclusion: yes the possibility of a TYG/YS/Zwiebel team exists

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:44:05:

I'm baffled at ALAK's post. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that this is maf bussing maf, since maf!ALAK would notice maf!YS having such shitty posts. Thinking he's a lost cause, maf!

Zwiebel wrote on 08/13/16 at 10:53:58:

About YS, I think he's just a terrible player, can't tell if bad Maf or bad Town. I wouldn't be opposed to go for him too today, and like Alaktorn already said it could also have implications on kyle/TvK if he flips Maf. I think he needs to post more and his alignment will become super obvious at one point. If he keeps laying low though, I think he's a really good lynch today.
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ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:25:28:

L
[vote]Yoshistar[/vote]

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 17:21:03:

YS: As usual... all over the place, and being a huge follower for wagons with bad logic. I know I've pretty much played the same way this game and I'm sorry but YS has contridicted himself and even called me "fluffgun" despite his own horrendous play.

Conclusion: Decent chance he could be mafia but it could also just be his usual sloppy play.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 14:55:11:

Okay, so I have a slight maf lean on YS and TvK now; I do find it suspicious that TvK initially didn't go after YS like Dan mentioned.

DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 13:01:24:

. However, I think a Yoshistar lynch would be really good as well and tell us a lot about you. First of all, YS is a confusing player and doesn't add much to the game when he posts. In addition, consider this...

If YS is mafia, TvK is also likely mafia and TYG is likely town. Yoshistar generally feels threatened by the presence of TvK in most games because TvK goes hard after him most of the time as part of his inexperienced player scumhunting plan. However, Yoshistar's first reaction to TvK today was feeling very comfortable with TvK's play.

TVK alak and Zwiebel also made pretty big posts attacking YS.

Just to make clear, There are more posts of people attacking YS and TYG, i just wanted to list a least one from everyone. I also went for both.

What is the point of all this:

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 16:45:21:

no control wrote on 08/13/16 at 16:14:12:

Alak quick question, what are the chances TYG is mafia for you right now?

Not low, but I think there are better targets. Just about the only thing I have on TYG is that he seems to be staying under the radar a lot, while as a Townie he’s usually skeptic of everyone and calls out lots of people as Mafia. This is why I want him to start posting.

Alak commented on TYG only after i specifically asked him and his comment was not that aggressive.
Alak is the only person that didn't went for TYG (correct me if you find something). This makes me think Alak and TYG are either t/t or m/m.

As for YS, everyone went for him. PAF and TYG not that much, but still enough in my eyes.

Just based on game play, tyg is much better in my eyes. What makes me suspicious of him is his "connection" with Alak and as i said before, if there was a mag save yesterday, it was him.

On the other hand YS game play is horrific. As we saw, pretty much everyone went for him. To me it means 2 things. Either he is town ot maf gave up on him.

At this point, i believe TYG is town and YS is maf.

I think YS is maf and unless he speaks, this is the best lynch. However, let's not waste too much time on YS, let's look for others.

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