ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:24:16:DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:38:42:ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:30:20:Then you’re pretty sure John is Mafia.
Yeah, tbh I think he's more likely scum than you. As I said earlier, I don't think you so bullishly put Leone and I as 100% mafia together if you are mafia knowing that Leone will flip town. And, I think John has been trying to take the easy road by targeting Leone and then you, plus I really really don't like his "pretty sure we're going to have to choose between Alaktorn and Dan at some point" comment.
Are you trying to pocket me?
I have to admit, I was wondering why Dan was so adamant about being t/t with Michele, since I've clearly established I think they are m/t. This comment from Michele makes me feel more strongly about them being m/t, but admittedly makes me feel slightly better about Michele than I did previously. Nobody should be trying to cozy up so closely to anyone yet.
Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:47:21:no control wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:36:30:Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:55:55:Daniel and Racer have every rights to suspect TvK, it is interesting that they both go with the same target, I find that questionable.... m/m or m/t, will get back to this later on.
On one hand you voted TYG and you suspect him
On the other Dan who voted TYG D1, according to you is acting questionable and is possible maf because of targeting Tvk who stopped a wagon on your scum read TYG yesterday.
Do you see how this is contradictory?
Yes, what's your point with this then?
I'm not completely caught up so I don't know if anyone addressed it yet, but if I follow YS logic correctly here...TYG is scum, TvK is possibly scum for stopping wagon TYG, then Dan/Racer are possible m/m for pressuring TvK? GUYS WE FOUND THE 4 MAF IN THIS GAME! GG!
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:55:55:A general question to everyone: 8 people were on the Leone wagon. Only 5 were not. Sportsguy was on Leone, but he turned out town. Leone obviously wasn't on himself. I kind of want everyone to answer this question: how many members of the mafia team do you expect to be on Leone? And what does that learn us about the counterwagon on TYG?
Kind of already spoke about this multiple times, but I said the Lewis wagon was probably clean (at minimum, everyone on it gets a townboost in my eyes). *IF* we take that to be true, then the 3 maf are some combination of (people on Leone's wagon) and YS, obviously. Since YS is seeming more and more scummy by the post, that leads me to believe there were 2 maf on Leone. I think I've pretty well established which 2 *I* think are most likely out of the possibilities.
DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:06:10:TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:55:55:A general question to everyone: 8 people were on the Leone wagon. Only 5 were not. Sportsguy was on Leone, but he turned out town. Leone obviously wasn't on himself. I kind of want everyone to answer this question: how many members of the mafia team do you expect to be on Leone? And what does that learn us about the counterwagon on TYG?
Probably two mafia is my guess. My guess is that there is 1 and probably only 1 mafia between Yoshistar, Zoran, and Zwiebel.
Agreed on both points - 2 maf on Leone wagon, 1 out of the others (just said this above, but I noticed somebody else felt that same as me about it).
DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:06:10:I don't think PAF or Racer jumps on the Leone wagon late as mafia if the other two mafia are already on it. I'll have to think more about it though.
Yet somehow when I pointed that out it was scummy? (see TvK's post 662).
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:25:28:Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:30:04:Ugh I send the post too early....
D1 was interesting in general, seeing how it ended up with Leone being VT, there's a possibility Daniel could be still scum, although I'm not confident about this, but seeing TYG not doing much good while I did mention before he did, but his reads are not good to me.
Mafia got very lucky with the cop kill N1, but idk.... SG wasn't active and idk what his intentions were with this, but it's really sad to lose a powerful role so early...
TYG looks the scummiest to me currently, unless he can explain this and make things more clear, my vote stays. Daniel a bit less scummier, but as I said before, I'm not so confident into this anymore, I yet have to get into more digging through to find the 3rd mafia member.
Reason why I wasn't so active is that my parents dragged me into Pokémon GO hunting which took a whole day and it's exhausting.... can't do much about that sadly....
But expect to see more activity from me D2, more content is what I'm aiming for.
The first remark here is strange. This post came over 30 minutes after his previous one. He then says it’s SG’s fault for getting killed? OK. Then out of the blue he says he has to find the 3rd Mafia member… so you’re sure TYG and Dan are 2 of them? I can’t even understand what you’re trying to say about Daniel there, but it doesn’t sound like you’re sure he’s Mafia.
No Michele, pay attention. There are 4 maf in the YS version of this game. My guess is Shock is the final hidden one.
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:39:44:TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:55:55:A general question to everyone: 8 people were on the Leone wagon. Only 5 were not. Sportsguy was on Leone, but he turned out town. Leone obviously wasn't on himself. I kind of want everyone to answer this question: how many members of the mafia team do you expect to be on Leone? And what does that learn us about the counterwagon on TYG?
2 I think, one of which is TYG. and in case one maf was in phase 1 it's either you or ALAK... probably ALAK
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:05:47:Well, so here you basically admit that the Leone vote was a mistake on your part. Yet you have used your Leone vote as anexcuse to jump on ALAKTORN. How does that add up?
That wasn't my only excuse to jump on ALAK, you know. I think I already explained that. I also considered that his post where he suggested me to vote Leone was maf-like.
Not so much into him now. TYG is my biggest maf lean, like it is for various people it seems.
[vote]TYG[/vote]
This isn't my permanent vote obviously. I still think I can't see and understand everything that's mentioned in this game...
Michele already mentioned this immediately, but seriously this kind of voting is bullshit. If you have no conviction in your vote, it's worthless.
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:55:25:Please, highlight, bold, underline any part of my post where I call your theory stupid. I said I disagreed with it and I asked you a bunch of questions, which, if answered correctly, could have me maybe pointed me in the right direction of where I could find any evidence of Leone scumhunting. Also note that Leone had not voted John at this point, so nice try using that against me. Leone even withheld his vote until I specifically told him to put it down.
This was one of my biggest issues with Leone yesterday - I had to explicitly tell him to put a vote on me (or anyone) before he actually did it. I don't understand what people don't get about this: as townies, the only weapons we have are VOTES, so USE THEM. Yes, Leone ended up flipping town which justifies suspicion on anyone who pressured him, but clearly there were a lot of townsfolk there since there were more than 3 votes on him. TvK pressuring Leone to vote (I think he did so in 383...I told Leone to vote me in 385) is one of the reasons I still feel TvK is more townie than not.
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 10:02:22:The fact that nobody is picking up on my big posts about wagonomics and why I thnk John deserves more attention is a big red flag in my eyes.
Yes, everyone on that wagon deserves suspicion. At this point, basically everyone has been. I don't mind if anyone wants to question me on why I voted for Leone, even though I think I've already said it - he seemed like the scummiest poster all day, and chose me as his attempt to divert attention away, forcing me to put more focus on him. Even though he flipped town, I still stand by my posts about and vote on him. You already stated in the post I just quoted that you didn't think Leone did any real scumhunting during D1, and I agree. I think he panicked due to the wagon and tried to find any way out, and chose me.
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