Let’s talk about Yoshistar.
Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:56:44:So Leone managed to rig his own life and we lost a town cop already!? TYG's reads on those two were slight maf or definitely maf, can't be any good....
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@Zoran
Totally rigged, but jokes aside it was interesting, I noticed TYG started to act very weird when Leone's lynch was so good as confirmed, his content isn't clear to me and he definitely needs to explain this.
This doesn’t look like a terrible post, but he is quick to vote for TYG.
Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:30:04:Ugh I send the post too early....
D1 was interesting in general, seeing how it ended up with Leone being VT, there's a possibility Daniel could be still scum, although I'm not confident about this, but seeing TYG not doing much good while I did mention before he did, but his reads are not good to me.
Mafia got very lucky with the cop kill N1, but idk.... SG wasn't active and idk what his intentions were with this, but it's really sad to lose a powerful role so early...
TYG looks the scummiest to me currently, unless he can explain this and make things more clear, my vote stays. Daniel a bit less scummier, but as I said before, I'm not so confident into this anymore, I yet have to get into more digging through to find the 3rd mafia member.
Reason why I wasn't so active is that my parents dragged me into Pokémon GO hunting which took a whole day and it's exhausting.... can't do much about that sadly....
But expect to see more activity from me D2, more content is what I'm aiming for.
The first remark here is strange. This post came over 30 minutes after his previous one. He then says it’s SG’s fault for getting killed? OK. Then out of the blue he says he has to find the 3rd Mafia member… so you’re sure TYG and Dan are 2 of them? I can’t even understand what you’re trying to say about Daniel there, but it doesn’t sound like you’re sure he’s Mafia.
Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:39:44:Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:33:28:DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:31:52:[vote]TvK[/vote]
TYG is still by far a stronger mafia read for me, but I want to see what people think of TvK being mafia.
Honestly, I have to agree here, I just don't feel like TvK can be town.
In what way does he feel mafia? Is he playing differently or is there something off?
I'm still leaning town for TvK, doing the usual thing and putting me on his scumradar. I'll be damned if he flips maf.
Interesting post, possibly defending TvK? I don’t recall TvK actually putting Yoshistar on his scum radar, I actually think he’s been holding off a lot more than usual against him. Normally he’d have tried to get him lynched by this point, but he hasn’t even voted him once. Dan and Zoran are the only YS voters so far.
Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:55:55:no control wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:46:59:I have a few more questions.
What do you think of Zwiebel and Kyle?
If you think TYG is scum what about Tvk? Are Dan and Racer right to suspect him? He did stop TYG wagon eod 1 after all.
Other then that, LETS SEE THAT ACTIVITY !!!!!!
Usually you answer questions, i want to see you asking questions and investigating you maf leans.
Can't say much about Zwiebel, seems to go with the flow, but I can't really tell if he's town or maf.
Kyle however is doing a pretty good job in hunting, he pointed out some things which is town behavior and I can say he's townie for sure.Daniel and Racer have every rights to suspect TvK, it is interesting that they both go with the same target, I find that questionable.... m/m or m/t, will get back to this later on.
Really… you think Kyle has been scumhunting more than Timur? You’re sure he’s Town? I think Yoshistar is playing in a parallel universe. Has he just given out all his scumbuddies? He then says that Dan and Racer have every right to suspect TvK, but calls them m/m or m/t for no apparent reason, contradicting himself, instead of looking at TvK? Am I the only one who thinks YS has one-handedly just lost the game for Mafia?
Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:03:29:You have to give us GOOD reads to make it convincing Lewis, saying that your reads suck is not a good way to get away with it.
Another push for TYG.
Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:07:02:@Daniel
Hmmm fair enough, I thought he did contribute some, my bad.
But as far I can read he didn't made slips which looks bad for him, at least..... from what I can see.
Dan calls him out on the fact that Kyle hasn’t really contributed that much, and he does a complete 180°. “He didn’t make slips which look bad for him, at least..... from what I can see.”. Really? The fuck does that mean? Doesn’t it look like he’s trying to say his scumbuddy hasn’t done anything to be suspicious of him? Why would you bring that up as Town, that someone didn’t make any bad slips? Sounds like a concerned teammate to me.
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:24:16:I’m happy Yoshistar is posting more.
This is me hinting that I will be making this post when the time was right.
Going back to the TYG lynch, this is why I think it’s a bad idea:
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:59:23:I’ll just give a reminder to people: Mafia absolutely do not want to get lynched D1. There are only 3 Mafia members, and if we’re right on Leone they’re losing their shit right now. This is what I’m reading from Dan’s posts, absolute panic. When Zarkov was a wagon on D1 in Brett’s game, we were losing our shit and were trying really hard to save him even for just another day (he was our Odd-Night Vigilante). Dan’s also said that the top poster has never been Mafia, and I’m not sure I agree with that. I’m pretty sure I was up there on D3 of Brett’s game. It’s true that most of the time, most of the Mafia lays low (Leone), but that doesn’t mean that Dan can’t be Mafia just because he’s the top poster.
Honestly it’s kinda important to get some wagons going D1, people need to pressure others because that’s how the Mafia gets scared. When they see a wagon forming on a scumbuddy on D1, they have to do something about it. I tried to get a Dan wagon but nobody would join it, that helps me with feeling confident that he’s Mafia, because his scumbuddies would want to protect him (and we’ve seen a few protect posts, Leone being one of them). Leone’s wagon has took off quite well, which normally would mean that the Mafia are OK with it so it’s a mislynch, but in this case I just think Maf Leone dug his grave too deep and he’s being bussed.
It took TYG’s wagon very few minutes to get all the way up to 4 votes, which would’ve actually been 5 out of 6 majority had I joined in (which I wasn’t against doing, if not for majority rule). This looks terrible. Is that wagon really clean? Zoran who I think started that wagon on D1 hasn’t even voted him; what I’m saying is that you’ve basically got 6 people willing to vote TYG just a few minutes after D2 start. Is this really a Mafia lynch? I’m not so sure.
Let’s count them up:
Zoran (508) D1
Dan (584) later switched to TvK (626)
Racer (587)
Yoshistar (601)
TvK (604)
^That’s what I remembered. But oh my god it’s even worse than I thought. Dan actually has the first vote on TYG from D1:
Dan (440) D1
Leone (511) D1
Timur (550) D1
That makes… 7 people who have voted for TYG throughout the game, with Dan having done so twice. Only PAF, SG, Kyle, John and I have never voted him. We at least know SG was Town. I would’ve been fine with lynching him at the start of D2, but now I really don’t feel good about it. Then again, the Mafia read my post on D1 knowing that what I said about Leone’s wagon taking off quickly due to it being a mislynch was right, so this could just be advanced bussing.
I suppose Dan and Zoran look better in my eyes after this analysis. I think the SG kill is something Dan would do though, didn’t he go for Lafungo in Shock’s first game? But Kyle was also part of that Mafia team.
Edit: (Not really an edit, but new posts have been made)
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:59:29:kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:44:57:PAF I'd like you to address your EoD actions. As TvK said, your actions were without a doubt scummy. The way I'm seeing your EoD is that you unvoted because you knew there was no point in staying on Dan since his wagon wouldn't take off. However, when ALAK said he'd take the hit for you if you voted Leone, and you felt that was your out and decided to keep your vote on Leone in order to assure a townie dies D1.
If this is indeed the case, I would say it's fair to asssume he (and his other scumbuddy) were trying to protect a scumbuddy that had significant heat on them, which would be TYG. This works as well because I would expect these 2 players to panic. The question is, at this point, who's the mastermind behind it all...
Anyways, PAF, I'd like you to let us know if you actually thought Leone was scum, and if so what tipped you off on it. Also, I want to hear others thoughts on PAF, because I don't think these actions should go without a serious discussion.
Why did you choose to make your first post all about PAF? Is he your top scumread at this point? Or is there something you expect him to answer that will give you a more clear view? What is your current read on specifically TYG, John and Racer? What is your opinion on the Leone wagon? Or the TYG counterwagon?
Nice m/m interaction asking for opinions on a bunch of Townies.
kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:02:33:Interesting to note, when TYG was scum in Shock's first game, he mentioned a few of his scumbuddies in his first list of reads, and had them all listed as town with little to no explanation. disecting his reads post comes up with these 5 people he has listed as town:
ALAK (unsure)
Zwiebel (unsure)
PAF (slight town)
Racer (strong town)
Zoran (unsure)
I would wager a guess that at least 1 of TYG's scumbuddies is in this list of 5, maybe both.
Here comes the post trying to push TYG some more, explaining how that list even has 1 or maybe both his scumbuddies! Amazing! Too bad going by my theory of YS/TvK/Kyle, all those people are Townies. Might be a point of interest that he calls the noobs Townies and the good players as “unsure”, as if they’re good lynches.
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:03:54:ALAK, I need you to be more vocal as well at this point. Okay, you got it wrong D1, but so did I and there's nothing lost yet. So far, you have said you think Racer and PAF are probably town (even though you thought Racer might have slipped), you're unsure about Timur and me and you said John has a chance of being mafia. What do you think of John's position on Leone's wagon? Or what do you think of his post where he voted you? And what do you think of your townread PAF voting you?
I’ll take this post seriously even though at this point I think you’re Mafia. My “is that a slip” post wasn’t even about Racer, it was about the whole interaction between Racer and Dan and I was wondering whether anybody else saw it as Dan Maf slipping or Racer Town slipping. I was confused at the interaction and just put it out there, but nothing came of it it seems. I don’t remember John’s position on Leone’s wagon. His vote on me seemed fair, dunno. PAF just retaliated after feeling betrayed, in true noob Town fashion.
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