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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #625 - 08/13/16 at 07:30:20
 
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:59:01:
My current leans

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Hahaha damn I sure hope so.

DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:54:00:
no control wrote on 08/12/16 at 18:29:19:
this eod  Grin

I think we should take a look at people attacking/voting Dan D1 as well.

I think that's a good idea.  However, I also think that mafia might have put one person on the other side of the Alaktorn/Dan exchange.  If Alaktorn is town, John is mafia and the person on the other side of that exchange.

John being Mafia wouldn’t surprise me.

DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:54:00:
However, despite me thinking that Alaktorn is town because of how hard he pushed the 100% certainty of Leone and me being m/m, paranoid Alaktorn would make the SG night kill with SG coming out in the beginning of the game and accusing Alaktorn.

Paranoid me? I would never kill SG as Mafia in any game, especially N1. His playstyle just isn’t a threat. A single joke vote doesn’t mean anything, especially with him changing it up for Leone near the end.

DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:54:00:
Pretty sure Alaktorn/John is t/m one way or the other.

Then you’re pretty sure John is Mafia.
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Reply #626 - 08/13/16 at 07:31:52
 
[vote]TvK[/vote]

TYG is still by far a stronger mafia read for me, but I want to see what people think of TvK being mafia.
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Reply #627 - 08/13/16 at 07:33:28
 
DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:31:52:
[vote]TvK[/vote]

TYG is still by far a stronger mafia read for me, but I want to see what people think of TvK being mafia.

Honestly, I have to agree here, I just don't feel like TvK can be town.
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Reply #628 - 08/13/16 at 07:38:42
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:30:20:
Then you’re pretty sure John is Mafia.

Yeah, tbh I think he's more likely scum than you.  As I said earlier, I don't think you so bullishly put Leone and I as 100% mafia together if you are mafia knowing that Leone will flip town.  And, I think John has been trying to take the easy road by targeting Leone and then you, plus I really really don't like his "pretty sure we're going to have to choose between Alaktorn and Dan at some point" comment.
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Reply #629 - 08/13/16 at 07:38:55
 
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:30:16:
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I don't think you realize this, Mr. TvK, but your argument is not valid because you know, that you are considered one of the better players in Maf, and you have the capabilities of pulling off starting a wagon if you are Maf. You attacked him when he was playing awful, but when he tried to defend himself, you cast a blind eye. I don't care if I look scummier because I'm accusing you after my crappy eod, but I am just putting the pressure on whoever I feel should get pressure.


I'm perfectly fine with pressure, something I didn't get all day long. If pressure is what it takes to convince you I'm town, then I'll gladly take it. I just think it's very easy to attack me in hindsight now knowing that Leone is town. There was NOBODY at all who had enough convincing arguments yesterday when the alignment of Leone wasn't known yet. Also, you're wrong about saying that I cast a blind eye to his defenses. I actually read his defenses and then responded to them, and apparently in such a way that people thought he actually was scum. If you had any problems with my attack of Leone, then you should have said so yesterday when it actually would have mattered. Now you're taking the easy road.

I did and you attacked me. I said that Leone was doing a good job scum hunting And you batted it down claiming he was awful at it. At first I took it, and decided you were right (bad play on my part) but then he kept posting well, until the eod where he unravled, and so I thought you were right, but as it turned out that he was town, I got Mad at myself because I didn't trust my gut.

I will take any road I want if it helps town win, and of you really are town, I will release the pressure on you and leave you alone.
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Reply #630 - 08/13/16 at 07:39:04
 
DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:28:33:
TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 09:55:59:
More experienced players might be better at hiding the fact that they are mafia, but that doesn't mean there's a smaller chance of being one.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:59:01:
My current leans

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Zoran
ALAK
Zwiebel


TvK, which one of your 4 top townreads is really good at hiding that they are mafia?  Your 4 top townreads are arguably 4 of the most experienced players.


Once again, if you look at the mafia members in the previous games, they were never in the top posters. This is something I've set my mind on before the game even started, because I was much too happy letting the low posters slide by in previous games.

At this point, I cannot believe that you as a member of the mafia would put yourself out there as much as you have done D1. The same goes for ALAKTORN. The game where he was mafia, he was being cautious in the earlier stages and started getting more vocal as the days progressed. I cannot imagine him coming out of the gates attacking you so hard as scum. Zoran gets the towncred for tirelessly going against the flow. The entire day was dominated by the wagons on Leone, you and TYG. But then there was Zoran who first made cases on PAF and he also made sure we were constantly reminded of YS's inactivity and he even tried to set a sneaky trap for mafia (which I so stupidly ruined). There is no reason for mafia to try and steer away from the Leone wagon (which we now know is town) when he just as well could have relaxed and watch us make mistakes. Zwiebel is arguably the weakest of these townreads, but wagonomics give me a reason to believe that the counterwagon on TYG was close to pure.

I might very well be wrong about one of them, but I'm almost sure that at least 3 of these are town. I'm incredibly sure that at least two mafia members are in the bottom posters.
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Reply #631 - 08/13/16 at 07:39:44
 
Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:33:28:
DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:31:52:
[vote]TvK[/vote]

TYG is still by far a stronger mafia read for me, but I want to see what people think of TvK being mafia.

Honestly, I have to agree here, I just don't feel like TvK can be town.

In what way does he feel mafia? Is he playing differently or is there something off?

I'm still leaning town for TvK, doing the usual thing and putting me on his scumradar. I'll be damned if he flips maf.
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Reply #632 - 08/13/16 at 07:40:18
 
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:14:03:
I'll tell you this, my eye is on you PAF. I hope you're able to come up with some more reasons that ALAK is town other than "I was stupid enough to listen to him".

Either a horrible typo or TMIing.
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Reply #633 - 08/13/16 at 07:40:57
 
I think that Zwiebel joining the TYG wagon so late doesn't really say much either way honestly.  He joined after I think it was obvious that Leone would wind up getting lynched.
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Reply #634 - 08/13/16 at 07:43:36
 
Well fuck, you guys keep talking about how I need to provide some answers or whatever  but I'm gonna need some questions first
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Reply #635 - 08/13/16 at 07:45:23
 
LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 18:26:13:
TvK Had a large maf lean on him until a post he made about the wagon on me earlier, seemed to make a lot of sense to me

Care to elaborate on this?  What gave you a large maf lean on him?
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Reply #636 - 08/13/16 at 07:45:48
 
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:39:04:
DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:28:33:
TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 09:55:59:
More experienced players might be better at hiding the fact that they are mafia, but that doesn't mean there's a smaller chance of being one.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:59:01:
My current leans

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ALAK
Zwiebel


TvK, which one of your 4 top townreads is really good at hiding that they are mafia?  Your 4 top townreads are arguably 4 of the most experienced players.


Once again, if you look at the mafia members in the previous games, they were never in the top posters. This is something I've set my mind on before the game even started, because I was much too happy letting the low posters slide by in previous games.

At this point, I cannot believe that you as a member of the mafia would put yourself out there as much as you have done D1. The same goes for ALAKTORN. The game where he was mafia, he was being cautious in the earlier stages and started getting more vocal as the days progressed. I cannot imagine him coming out of the gates attacking you so hard as scum. Zoran gets the towncred for tirelessly going against the flow. The entire day was dominated by the wagons on Leone, you and TYG. But then there was Zoran who first made cases on PAF and he also made sure we were constantly reminded of YS's inactivity and he even tried to set a sneaky trap for mafia (which I so stupidly ruined). There is no reason for mafia to try and steer away from the Leone wagon (which we now know is town) when he just as well could have relaxed and watch us make mistakes. Zwiebel is arguably the weakest of these townreads, but wagonomics give me a reason to believe that the counterwagon on TYG was close to pure.

I might very well be wrong about one of them, but I'm almost sure that at least 3 of these are town. I'm incredibly sure that at least two mafia members are in the bottom posters.

What about me? I've been one of the top five posters all day And you call me Maf. Do you really think I'm skilled enough to post a lot as scum? Please explain that.
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Reply #637 - 08/13/16 at 07:46:59
 
Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:30:04:
Ugh I send the post too early....

D1 was interesting in general, seeing how it ended up with Leone being VT, there's a possibility Daniel could be still scum, although I'm not confident about this, but seeing TYG not doing much good while I did mention before he did, but his reads are not good to me.
Mafia got very lucky with the cop kill N1, but idk.... SG wasn't active and idk what his intentions were with this, but it's really sad to lose a powerful role so early...

TYG looks the scummiest to me currently, unless he can explain this and make things more clear, my vote stays. Daniel a bit less scummier, but as I said before, I'm not so confident into this anymore, I yet have to get into more digging through to find the 3rd mafia member.

Reason why I wasn't so active is that my parents dragged me into Pokémon GO hunting which took a whole day and it's exhausting.... can't do much about that sadly....

But expect to see more activity from me D2, more content is what I'm aiming for.


I have a few more questions.

What do you think of Zwiebel and Kyle?
If you think TYG is scum what about Tvk? Are Dan and Racer right to suspect him?  He did stop TYG wagon eod 1 after all.

Other then that, LETS SEE THAT ACTIVITY !!!!!!
Usually you answer questions, i want to see you asking questions and investigating you maf leans.  
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Reply #638 - 08/13/16 at 07:47:10
 
LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:43:36:
Well fuck, you guys keep talking about how I need to provide some answers or whatever  but I'm gonna need some questions first

Why don't you want to give your suspicions? That is what triggered my scumdar so hard.
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Reply #639 - 08/13/16 at 07:47:15
 
DansGame wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:16:02:
LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:54:48:
@Dan I think my reads might have hurt town last time and made me less trusted for my good reads that I was having by the end. Sort of became the boy who cried wolf.

I can't remember the exact things, but I thought your attacks on me were weak and seemed like you were trying to attack  a weak player to divert your own pressure. I think you look pretty bad for those reasons, but Leone's previous posts that I pointed out seemed worse so I voted him.


I guess it's time to come out with what makes me feel the strongest that TYG is scummy.

TYG, Sportsguy, and Kyle were all mafia partners with me two games ago, in Shock's high power game.  They all know how incredibly meticulous I tried to be in my night planning.  I probably had hundreds of posts in the mafia chat addressing all the possibilities that could happen in the day, and what our plan of attack should be once the day begins.  Right down to things like "post these 5 words as your first post" if you were roleblocked (since we couldn't chat during the day) so that you could tell us the result of your night actions.

If any of them are town this game, I firmly believe that they wouldn't arrive at the conclusion that I was mafia if they look at my posting style today.  Mafia have the ability to chat during the day and night in this game.  These three KNOW that if I were mafia, I would be chatting with my partners religiously about everything that was happening and the direction that we should take.  I would be chatting with them about what they should be posting, I would be chatting about which way we should push in which situation, I would be chatting with them about what I would be posting.

I have posted so frequently today and not only that, pretty much any time someone has asked me a question, I have responded immediately.  If you believe I'm mafia this game, then you believe that I've been free-wheeling and off the cuff with my responses.  I would NEVER do that if I was a member of the mafia.  I might try to post among the most often but I would never put myself so much in the spotlight and respond right away to everyone like I have been doing.  There is just no reason for me to play the way I have been if I am someone who likes to meticulously plan things as a mafia member and try to come up with openings in good logic and insert close to good but actually flawed logic into the game.  I know that by putting myself so much in the spotlight I'll likely get copchecked very early into the game, and what good would it do me then?

I am dead positive that TYG would have looked at this if he weren't scum.  Sportsguy hasn't posted a lot, but he has been more on Alaktorn than me, so I think he might have been thinking about this.  Kyle hasn't been pushing me all that hard and has been trying to follow my logic, so I can't tell too much about him yet.


TYG, did you consider the things that I was saying in this post?  This is one of the things that gave me my strongest maf read on you.
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Reply #640 - 08/13/16 at 07:47:43
 
kyleb30 wrote on 08/12/16 at 17:16:15:
But I'd say my next biggest scum reads are Racer (really trying to start something with SG, I don't think he realizes how good SG is at this game. He's clutch.)


Was reading old posts and saw this... not sure what's the point. Seems town play from Racer to me, especially considering he hasn't got much experience.
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Reply #641 - 08/13/16 at 07:47:44
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:40:18:
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:14:03:
I'll tell you this, my eye is on you PAF. I hope you're able to come up with some more reasons that ALAK is town other than "I was stupid enough to listen to him".

Either a horrible typo or TMIing.


I obviously meant scum. He's voting you after all.
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Reply #642 - 08/13/16 at 07:49:23
 
LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:43:36:
Well fuck, you guys keep talking about how I need to provide some answers or whatever  but I'm gonna need some questions first


LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 18:26:13:
Okay hey, don't really have time to read these sorry I'm so late but I'll post my reads real quick...

ALAKTORN Not sure yet, slight town lean onsidering I agree with his reads on Dan and Leone
Dan I pointed out his posts earlier about me, I think he was trying to use me as a an escape from the pressure
John Really not sure yet...
Zwiebel Really not sure yet either actually, I have a town read right now though
Yoshistar fluff, can't read at all
P.A.F. I have a slight town read
Racer strong town lean, one of my strongest actually I think. He's made good posts and I liked his exchange with sportsguy
TvK Had a large maf lean on him until a post he made about the wagon on me earlier, seemed to make a lot of sense to me
Leonestrongest maf lean already explained
Kyle Not sure yet, kinda hard to read him
Zoran Really not sure yet, but I have a town lean
Sportsguy the racer exchange with him was interesting... slight maf lean

I'm really sorry this is mostly fluff, but I thought it would be good to post an update for you guys since you seem to be pressuring me


Why do you have barely any reads on anyone? And why are the only two players you're scumreading now dead and flipped town?
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Reply #643 - 08/13/16 at 07:49:32
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:40:18:
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:14:03:
I'll tell you this, my eye is on you PAF. I hope you're able to come up with some more reasons that ALAK is town other than "I was stupid enough to listen to him".

Either a horrible typo or TMIing.


lol I was confused when I read it. I don't think TvK sucks enough to do a slip though. Maybe just some bad luck...
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Reply #644 - 08/13/16 at 07:49:54
 
Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:47:10:
LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:43:36:
Well fuck, you guys keep talking about how I need to provide some answers or whatever  but I'm gonna need some questions first

Why don't you want to give your suspicions? That is what triggered my scumdar so hard.


Because I felt like I screwed up town last time, and already my reads this game suck so they're obviously unfinished and still need work.
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Reply #645 - 08/13/16 at 07:54:35
 
@Dan I don't know, that post just seems like a giant metagame post... I definitely feel like you could switch up your posting style as maf if you wanted to. That entire post basically meant nothing to me.
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Reply #646 - 08/13/16 at 07:55:55
 
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I have a few more questions.

What do you think of Zwiebel and Kyle?
If you think TYG is scum what about Tvk? Are Dan and Racer right to suspect him?  He did stop TYG wagon eod 1 after all.

Other then that, LETS SEE THAT ACTIVITY !!!!!!
Usually you answer questions, i want to see you asking questions and investigating you maf leans.  

Can't say much about Zwiebel, seems to go with the flow, but I can't really tell if he's town or maf.
Kyle however is doing a pretty good job in hunting, he pointed out some things which is town behavior and I can say he's townie for sure.

Daniel and Racer have every rights to suspect TvK, it is interesting that they both go with the same target, I find that questionable.... m/m or m/t, will get back to this later on.
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Reply #647 - 08/13/16 at 07:55:58
 
Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:45:48:
What about me? I've been one of the top five posters all day And you call me Maf. Do you really think I'm skilled enough to post a lot as scum? Please explain that.


There's posting and there's posting. For example Yoshistar or Zac have been among the top posters in some games, without saying anything. Of your posts yesterday, a whole bunch of them were attacking Sportsguy. A lead nobody followed, but still you decided to continue pursuing him. Then you've mostly been flip-flopping between voting Dan or Leone, something else that's easy to do. Then in one post you've also said you were suspicious of Kyle. But instead of digging through posts and finding something substantial, you're first asking others if it's worth investigating.

So in conclusion, yes I think you have been able to pull it off.
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Reply #648 - 08/13/16 at 07:57:14
 
TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:49:23:
LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:43:36:
Well fuck, you guys keep talking about how I need to provide some answers or whatever  but I'm gonna need some questions first


LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 18:26:13:
Okay hey, don't really have time to read these sorry I'm so late but I'll post my reads real quick...

ALAKTORN Not sure yet, slight town lean onsidering I agree with his reads on Dan and Leone
Dan I pointed out his posts earlier about me, I think he was trying to use me as a an escape from the pressure
John Really not sure yet...
Zwiebel Really not sure yet either actually, I have a town read right now though
Yoshistar fluff, can't read at all
P.A.F. I have a slight town read
Racer strong town lean, one of my strongest actually I think. He's made good posts and I liked his exchange with sportsguy
TvK Had a large maf lean on him until a post he made about the wagon on me earlier, seemed to make a lot of sense to me
Leonestrongest maf lean already explained
Kyle Not sure yet, kinda hard to read him
Zoran Really not sure yet, but I have a town lean
Sportsguy the racer exchange with him was interesting... slight maf lean

I'm really sorry this is mostly fluff, but I thought it would be good to post an update for you guys since you seem to be pressuring me


Why do you have barely any reads on anyone? And why are the only two players you're scumreading now dead and flipped town?


I scumread Dan too...

I hadn't really gotten good reads by eod, I was just trying to post my current thoughts which sucked.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
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LewisRichards wrote on 08/11/16 at 20:17:11:
Wow, definitely leaning more maf on Dan after that. Although both seem like good lynches I think I'm more confident about Leone rn so I'm gonna keep my vote there for tonight, anyway gonna sleep c y'all tomorrow.


What about my interactions with Zwiebel make you read me mafia?

You say your reads are weak reads, but you "definitely" leaned more towards me being mafia after my Zwiebel interaction.  However, you're not even considering the difference in my posting style or how brazenly I put myself in the spotlight on Day 1.
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