So Leone managed to rig his own life and we lost a town cop already!? TYG's reads on those two were slight maf or definitely maf, can't be any good....

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@Zoran

Totally rigged, but jokes aside it was interesting, I noticed TYG started to act very weird when Leone's lynch was so good as confirmed, his content isn't clear to me and he definitely needs to explain this.

With the knowledge we now have, I have such high confidence in the counterwagon that started on TYG and the people that were on it. In retrospect I feel very bad for killing off that wagon because I was too confident in my read on Leone. It also explains a lot why that wagon did not take off at all, it was indeed because mafia was pulling so hard on Leone.

Dan and Zoran shoot up in my townrankings for starting this wagon and Zwiebel gets a town ean as well. Leone is confirmed town as we know now. In my opinion, this wagon has a big chance of being pure.

Yoshistar has done an awful job of staying off of either wagon. This also gives me huge scumvibes from him.

My current leans

TOWN
Dan
Zoran
ALAK
Zwiebel
NEUTRAL
Kyle
PAF
John
MAF
Racer
Yoshistar
TYG

With PAF, John and Racer being really close to eachother.

To be clear, Town Cop did not get a N0 peek.

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Sorry I was too busy making my posts and didn't bother to check the votecount. But TYG, my vote is virtually still on me, so speak up or face the hangman today.

Scummier than yesterday for me:
TYG - 95% sure he is mafia.  Note that in addition to everything that was already said about him, this is what he said about Sportsguy last night:
LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 18:26:13:

John - He really only pushed on the obvious lynch candidate yesterday, Leone, and now he comes out at the beginning of the day and thought the pressure should be on Alaktorn more than TYG.  If he's mafia at some point the mafia will have to put some suspicion on other members of the mafia and he would have looked even worse to me had he not said TYG looked scummy at all, so I don't give him town points for that.
Alaktorn - Just by virtue of the SG night kill.
TvK - Started the Leone wagon (flipped town), stopped the TYG (my top scumread) wagon in its tracks.  However I feel like he knows that the Leone wagon flipping town would look really good for me and Zoran in that situation if TYG were lynched and flips mafia, so that makes me lean a little less on him.  If TYG were lynched and flips town it makes TvK more likely mafia to me.  Alternatively, maybe Zoran is mafia.

Townier than yesterday:
Zoran - his vote was never on Leone, he was going after PAF who I think is town, then he was the only person to join me on the TYG wagon when no one else was going.

In my mind, however, there is a world where Zoran and TvK planned that TYG wagon interaction as mafia.  Not throwing that out completely yet.

Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:05:32:


I have always clearly explained my reasons to vote Leone, unlike a lot of other people on his wagon, INCLUDING YOU. Nobody has ever tried to counter my arguments, except for Leone himself. Yes, I was the one who started the wagon, but no less than 7 others followed me onto it. What do you think a mafia member prefers? To start the wagon himself and face the heat after the suspect flips town? Or to sit in the middle of it and not get any attention at all no matter the flip?

I don't know if you realise this, mr. Racer, but what you're doing here is extremely scummy in my eyes. You were just as responsible for getting Leone lynched as I was, yet somehow you feel the need to call me out on it. How can I see that as coming from a townie point of view?

Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:41:16:

Is this a slip or am I retarded?

I’m trying to understand the SG kill. Maybe they went for the low-hanging fruit, but why would they do that? I think that only happens if the Mafia is sitting comfortably on their chairs, doing nothing. If we were actually putting any pressure on them, they’d want to silence good players who were in the ballpark. I get the feeling Mafia could be some stupid shit like John/Kyle and someone else.

TvK, what should we make of you being the person to start a Leone (town) wagon, saying later in the day that we should be putting pressure elsewhere as well, but you never wound up starting or advocating another wagon and then killing off the TYG wagon?

I don't think you realize this, Mr. TvK, but your argument is not valid because you know, that you are considered one of the better players in Maf, and you have the capabilities of pulling off starting a wagon if you are Maf. You attacked him when he was playing awful, but when he tried to defend himself, you cast a blind eye. I don't care if I look scummier because I'm accusing you after my crappy eod, but I am just putting the pressure on whoever I feel should get pressure.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:14:41:

Not a slip, I was just explaining that Leone accused me And SG to be Maf eod to Dan.

DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:16:01:


The reason I said this is that I don't want people to blindly follow me onto someone just because they see me as a more capable player. I don't know the aligments of players any more than they do. I only want people to follow me if they truly believe the person I'm voting is scum. I truly believed that Leone was scum, and I've given arguments why I thought so all day long. Now the people who blindly followed my arguments and jumped onto Leone's wagon with no added content of myself are now attacking me because I was the leader of that wagon. I should rather be attacking them for not making up their own mind.

As for the TYG wagon: look at it from my point of view. Yes, the Leone wagon took off quite quickly, but around the middle, towards the end of the day, people were running away from it. I've had to do a lot of work trying to get those people back onto Leone, only to see the TYG wagon taking off. Can't you see how I believed that wagon was an attempt by Leone's buddies, or at least a lifeline for Leone to save him for that day? Especially when Leone himself, my top scum read, was happy enough to jump over to him. I couldn't take the risk loosening the grip I had on Leone.

Ugh I send the post too early....

D1 was interesting in general, seeing how it ended up with Leone being VT, there's a possibility Daniel could be still scum, although I'm not confident about this, but seeing TYG not doing much good while I did mention before he did, but his reads are not good to me.
Mafia got very lucky with the cop kill N1, but idk.... SG wasn't active and idk what his intentions were with this, but it's really sad to lose a powerful role so early...

TYG looks the scummiest to me currently, unless he can explain this and make things more clear, my vote stays. Daniel a bit less scummier, but as I said before, I'm not so confident into this anymore, I yet have to get into more digging through to find the 3rd mafia member.

Reason why I wasn't so active is that my parents dragged me into Pokémon GO hunting which took a whole day and it's exhausting.... can't do much about that sadly....

But expect to see more activity from me D2, more content is what I'm aiming for.