Stop posting, it's night.

8 - Leone will be lynched. You have 10 minutes to PM me if your vote is wrong.





Final Votes, Chronologically Listed

8 Leone - TvK (159), ALAKTORN (166), John (216), kyleb30 (360), TYG (491), Sporstugy (517), PAF (523), Racer (572)


4 TYG - Dan (440), no control (508), Leone (511), Zwiebel (550)

1 Dan - Yoshistar (175)



Leone has been lynched! At least 1 meme lives on: Leone effectively not playing in a game beyond its first phase, similar to the Resistance game. Despite this being his first game, the Town did not cut Leone any slack, and at the front of the pack ALAKTORN smugly watched the lynching, confident that he had solved all the town's problems.

Except...


Leone was a Vanilla Townie!


Night 1 has begun. Submit your Night actions! Day 2 begins in 11 hours and 50 minutes!

Sportsguy was killed last night.


Sportsguy's role was Town Cop.

It is Day 2, you may post.

Well, that sucks. However, I think we all know where to begin this day...
[vote]ALAKTORN[/vote]

Let's see what Michele has to say about Leone flipping town, after claiming multiple times that it was impossible.

To address some other points that came up after I was gone for the end of D1:
Dan (507): Yes, I did say that I'd need to choose between you/Michele at some point. In 385, I say Michele is the more likely maf out of you two. Also see my post 465 where I still say Michele is my second biggest scumread (after Leone), based on his interaction with you. Particularly now that Leone has flipped town, Michele is my biggest scumread and I feel better about you as a result.
Racer (572/577): Literally 1 minute apart...first votes for Leone, then says maf would "hop on a mislynch" - you mean like you just did?
TYG: Already addressed by multiple other people, outright stating that you're withholding reads because they might hurt town? No, withholding information hurts town more - we need all we can get. Seriously, that's the point of this damn game. Finally posts reads 4 minutes before EoD, most of which are "not sure yet"
Zoran: Immediately jumped on TYG's "not gonna post reads because I'll hurt town" post, as it deserved. Helped jumpstart the counterwagon there (I think Dan already had his vote there before, but he was the only one for a while) even if TvK killed it. Also the only person besides me to get scumread on Michele from the exchanges with Dan, which I also mention in 385.

Based on the above, as of right now my 2 biggest townreads are Dan/Zoran, and my 2 biggest scumreads are Michele/Lewis. If Dan/Zoran are town, then the wagon on Lewis is gonna look extremely clean, unless maf!Timur decided to hop on there to avoid being on the Leone mislynch (definitely something to consider, though I don't have any strong feelings about him one way or the other yet).

Can't believe the mafia went after Sportsguy, I guess they assumed he wouldn't be protected? Strange that they went after somebody who had a bit of suspicion on D1, but obviously there wasn't going to be protection there. Now that we've lost our cop, we'll need better scumhunting from all of us. Which brings me to my final question...where in the hell is the scumhunter uniter? He still hasn't posted since after I posted 495.

[vote]TYG [/vote]

DansGame wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:34:36:

Based on reading earlier games (and by his own admission here), that really *did* seem to be SG's style, annoying as it was. My guess is that they just went that way because of guaranteed lack of protection.

Racer727 wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:37:04:

But SG wasn't mafia

Looking back, it was Leone who accused me of bussing.

But why would I? I was just trying to generate pressure on those that were playing badly, and SG's playstyle is awful.

I'm so sorry guys, I really thought that Leone was going to flip scum last night. And on top of that we fucking lose our cop. We really need to get it right today, or we're going to have a really hard time winning this game.

Anyway, the best thing we can do right now is analyse the wagonomics of the previous day. I think it's best to divide the people voting Leone into different categories. I've got a feeling that at least 2 and possibly even the entire scumteam was on this wagon.

I've put Kyle between brackets because he could be put in either category 2 or 3.

1. The instigators: TvK, PAF, ALAKTORN, Dan
2. The second wave: John, TYG(, Kyle)
3. The latecomers: (Kyle,) TYG, Sportsguy, PAF, Racer

There are two ways that a wagon on a townsperson can take off: either mafia started the wagon, together with some townspeople, with another member soon joining. Or townspeople started the wagon and some opportunistic maf members made sure it got up to speed. In either case, the people in the 2nd group are the first ones to look at.

Anyway, I'm still having a lot of trouble seeing either Dan or ALAK as mafia. I must admit that the end of day shenanigans have changed my townread on PAF to a neutral and even a slight af read. At first I was fine with him switching to Dan, but his unvote a couple of hours before the end of day didn't make sense at all, and felt a lot like a coasting scum. And finally his final vote onto now a confirmed town member, even after switching off of this confirmed town member earlier in the day, has got some of my scumlights flashing.

It's fitting that both of the people in the middle group were also Leone's top two scumreads. I'll have to look back at John's exact posts, but I feel like he found himself an easy road onto Leone's wagon and was happy enough to stay there all day, without getting any heat himself. Even worse is TYG, who even unvoted Leone, only to put his vote back on him when his own wagon started taking off.

I don't think Kyle's vote is too much to look at at this point, because in my eyes it felt quite genuine. PAF's vote is bad for reasons I have already explained above. Sportsguy is confirmed town now, so I don't think analysing his vote is worth it. But then Racer. Normally I would say this is the vote of a townsperson, because it wouldn't make any sense for a maf member to put an extra vote on someone who was already always goign to be the lynch. But it's exactly the fact that I got to this conclusion so quickly that I started questioning this. Kyle had already voiced his concern about Racer, and I'm inclined to follow him in this. This is someting that can very easily be planned in the mafia chat, and it's something that can render a lot of free towncred. I'm very much keeping my eyes on Racer at this point.

In my next post, I'll analyse the other wagon movement.

Tl;dr: TYG is the most scummy person on this wagon, followed by a tie between John, PAF and Racer.

Just to make sure everyone are on the same page....majority vote is in effect, so 6 votes on 1 person and day is over, be careful please.

Lowest poster D1, least content

[vote]Yoshistar[/vote]

To Yoshistar:
What are your thoughts on D1 lynch?
What are your thoughts on N1 kill?
What do you think of D1 in general?
Any maf leads?
Any players you consider town?
Why did you post so little D1?
What can we expect from you D2?

As for SG, i'm really surprised maf went after him. From me his play style was the same, but maf must have seen something. Will check it out.
I'm still reading through D1, N1 was pretty short  . I will have some more thoughts soon.

I’m fucking shocked… Why the hell would Sportsguy even try to Town clear himself by saying “if Leone flips Mafia”? Mafia will always kill Town cleared players, they can’t be lynched… and you want to get cleared as the Cop? What the fuck? Wow, this is so bad.

I was hoping the Cop would help us out today but we’re fucked. This is the worst possible position for Town, wow. I would try to go after Dan, but if people want to lynch TYG, I guess I’ll go along with that. My reads may have been all wrong…

I still think Racer and PAF are Town, at least…

no control wrote on 08/12/16 at 18:29:19:

I think that's a good idea.  However, I also think that mafia might have put one person on the other side of the Alaktorn/Dan exchange.  If Alaktorn is town, John is mafia and the person on the other side of that exchange.

However, despite me thinking that Alaktorn is town because of how hard he pushed the 100% certainty of Leone and me being m/m, paranoid Alaktorn would make the SG night kill with SG coming out in the beginning of the game and accusing Alaktorn.

Pretty sure Alaktorn/John is t/m one way or the other.