Leone wrote on 08/12/16 at 13:47:48:


Maybe the fact that no counter wagons developed was the mafia being cautious because you looked so scummy?  Otherwise, I would love for people to evaluate the logic of Leone flipping town and what that means for the mafia, because maybe I'm wrong about you flipping town being bad for them at this point.  Like I said earlier, I don't think the mafia would be able to mislynch me today.  I've been by far the top poster and they know that will make it hard for them to lynch me.  Otherwise, no real wagons have gone anywhere else, so I thought it was interesting that a TYG wagon seems not to be getting any traction.

As I said earlier, I think TYG might have been TMI'ing that he knows Leone and I are both town.  I feel like Leone and TYG are more likely m/t than m/m, but I'd still be okay with lynching either.

#448 Leone is getting angry (for lack of a better word I'm tired) at my work excuse, when he made excuses himself.

Seriously,  this one is bad. Mad at me for defending myself from past playstyle even though my past playstyle is what the attacks on me were from... pretty stupid.

#460 saying how we'll all look bad if he flips town, pure scare tactic on the 4 people there (including me) not taking it, the main thing that pushed me to vote Leone again here.

Thought there was something else but I can't find it

On Zwiebel:

Opens with strong accusations of Dan, but he had all day to craft those posts.

Zwiebel, given current developments, who would be the best lynch? You flipped from 'lynch Dan' to 'lynch me' to 'lynch Dan' again. Also, any leans on TYG, YS, John, Kyle or PAF?

Leone wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:39:49:


In post 216 John said that he felt like he would need to choose between me and Alaktorn at some point.  I feel like there's a good chance Alaktorn and I are both town and I'm curious to see if his opinion has changed about that.  If you flipped town and John came after me tomorrow, I'd have to reconsider on him then.

He hasn't looked too hard at possible mafia outside of you, agrees with me that TYG might be scummy but thinks the lynch should still be you.  I feel like if you flip town then TYG is probably mafia and that would make him look somewhat worse in my eyes.

I guess I feel like town has looked too much at you today relative to other people and he's just trying to townside by keeping the pressure on you.  He hasn't contributed all that much to the game yet, and nothing he said jumped out to me as all that scummy, not at the level of TYG yet anyway.

I think the most interesting thing in the interaction between you two is that you single him out as your scummiest read when I don't think anyone else agrees with you either way.  That's interesting in and of itself.

Well, I should go to sleep in 20 minutes or so and will wake up after EoD, so I should make my decision now.
However, I feel confused. I'm not sure if I can keep track of everyone's interactions and such, I can't make sense of all possible situations and their consequences.
I'm going to reread more posts to see if I can get somewhere.

But for now, my idea about Dan have been getting better, I'm not risking keeping my vote on him...
[vote]unvote[/vote]

He's my scummiest read because I'm 90% sure maf are on my wagon (see me as an easy mislynch), and because he seems reluctant to focus additionally on other people, as if he's trying to avoid retaliatory heat. That being said, TYG is looking worse with each post. If John is scum he'll do plenty more weird things before the game is up, and I think eliminating TYG may tell us some things about YS (re: "TYG is doing fine") and maybe some others.

[vote]theyounggun[/vote]

LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:54:48:


I guess it's time to come out with what makes me feel the strongest that TYG is scummy.

TYG, Sportsguy, and Kyle were all mafia partners with me two games ago, in Shock's high power game.  They all know how incredibly meticulous I tried to be in my night planning.  I probably had hundreds of posts in the mafia chat addressing all the possibilities that could happen in the day, and what our plan of attack should be once the day begins.  Right down to things like "post these 5 words as your first post" if you were roleblocked (since we couldn't chat during the day) so that you could tell us the result of your night actions.

If any of them are town this game, I firmly believe that they wouldn't arrive at the conclusion that I was mafia if they look at my posting style today.  Mafia have the ability to chat during the day and night in this game.  These three KNOW that if I were mafia, I would be chatting with my partners religiously about everything that was happening and the direction that we should take.  I would be chatting with them about what they should be posting, I would be chatting about which way we should push in which situation, I would be chatting with them about what I would be posting.

I have posted so frequently today and not only that, pretty much any time someone has asked me a question, I have responded immediately.  If you believe I'm mafia this game, then you believe that I've been free-wheeling and off the cuff with my responses.  I would NEVER do that if I was a member of the mafia.  I might try to post among the most often but I would never put myself so much in the spotlight and respond right away to everyone like I have been doing.  There is just no reason for me to play the way I have been if I am someone who likes to meticulously plan things as a mafia member and try to come up with openings in good logic and insert close to good but actually flawed logic into the game.  I know that by putting myself so much in the spotlight I'll likely get copchecked very early into the game, and what good would it do me then?

I am dead positive that TYG would have looked at this if he weren't scum.  Sportsguy hasn't posted a lot, but he has been more on Alaktorn than me, so I think he might have been thinking about this.  Kyle hasn't been pushing me all that hard and has been trying to follow my logic, so I can't tell too much about him yet.

Leone wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:15:01:


As much as I thought TYG was scum, I'm not liking where this wagon is going so fast. A couple of posts ago Leone was adamant about keeping his vote on John, even asking people why he should move his vote because he couldn't see a better option. Now the opportunity to save himself has come: TYG's wagon is taking off.

It seems like I'm going against my general read of TYG, but this feels like a standard counterwagon to steer away from the pressure on a member of the mafia, or a wagon started by a own member used by the mafia to achieve the same purpose. Is there anyone else who happens to feel the same about this?

Dan/DB shouldn't be lynched no matter what today.  He is the highest poster and the most likely town imo.  I don't see anything that remotely implicates as being mafia.  

Alak is playing a very macho game.  He seems convinced he has already figured out all the mafia members.  Maybe he is right and the game will be over fast.  I think he is wrong.  

Unless there is an obvious slip on day 1 which i don't see, then any random person being lynched today is fine with me.  I know yal aren't going to like this post, but it is how i feel after playing 10+ games on this forum.  

[vote]MKDS[/vote]


 

Yoshistar's last post was more than an hour ago, did he really not come up with much of anything after reading through everything?

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:29:17:


That wagon took off while I was making my post switching my vote. I figured 2 votes on someone I see as maf would be better than 1 vote on John, who I also see as maf.

Will be away for a little bit

You know what I accept ALAK's challenge.
[vote]Leone[/vote]
If he flips town then my 1st vote on D2 will be on ALAK and I may push on him.
See ya until then...