If Dan flips town then there's a good chance Zwiebel was just doing his job as experienced town. I suppose there are also odds that he (as maf) took advantage of his bad play. But I feel like that's a bit elaborated, seems like the odds are smaller. So, slight town lean but close to neutral.

If Dan flips maf... why would Zwiebel not be town? As maf he would've warned his scum-buddy to calm down or something.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 09:32:05:


Dear mr. TYG. You've got my scumlights flashing. You reassure us that Leone is still your top scumread, but then you GO AHEAD AND UNVOTE HIM? Where is the logic in that? Even if you believe that either Dan or Leone will be the lynch today (which certainly isn't set in stone yet), why the heck would you unvote? Your reason to vote Leone was to put the pressure on him. What did he do to make you unvote him? Did he post something so townish under the pressure that you no longer think he should be lynched? If so, please post that here.

And why is everyone so set on getting "the most informative lynch"? What happened to lynching scum? It seems like a lot of people in here don't believe that either Dan or Leone are scum, but they'll go with it because 1. it will give information and 2. it will keep them out of the spotlight. How is thaat helping the town whatsoever? And yes, Zwiebel is a good player who made some convincing posts, but that doesn't mean everyone should just blindly follow him. Try to make up your own mind when you make a decision. Your own mind is the only one you can trust for 100%.

And TYG, refresh my thoughts, but have you said anything about anyone else this entire game? The only thing you've done is talk about Dan and Leone being scummy and defending yourself after Leone made that post about you. What's the matter? Are your scumbuds not coaching you enough? The town TYG that I remember at least had a mind of his own and tried to find leads in the smallest of details. This is not the town TYG I know.

See this as a serious notion of suspicion, mr. Young Gun.

If Dan flips town then there's a good chance Zwiebel was just doing his job as experienced town. I suppose there are also odds that he (as maf) took advantage of his bad play. But I feel like that's a bit elaborated, seems like the odds are smaller. So, slight town lean but close to neutral.

If Dan flips maf... why would Zwiebel not be town? As maf he would've warned his scum-buddy to calm down or something.

TvK, Dan, thoughts on #463?

Well then, let me start this off and answer your questions in chronological order. I unvoted because I hadn't read all the posts yet up to that point and I had a feeling something would change my mind, I didn't vote again because I never finished reading the posts and get up to speed since I felt I had to respond to a few. The fact Leone was trying and seemed to have a legit excuse made me think that there was possibly some more goodies to hear in the later posts that could change my mind, and I'm still not sure about him now and have a couple pages left so I won't be voting this time either. I don't know if you remember but all my reads last game were completely wrong until a couple I had at the end so I almost screwed town a couple times so I'm holding back here until I get more information. I find it quite odd that you seem to be talking about the "town tyg" in a good way

ALAK mind explaining why you're so confident about the maf team? Zoran, to be more specific?
Now I get his point that you're being arrogant, even more than Dan. But this doesn't seem as scummy, you might just think you're that good when you're not...

LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:08:00:


If you hadn't read all of the posts up until then, how could your initial read on Leone have possibly changed? The only thing I can read in your post is that you unvoted because you assumed that Leone would have posted something valuable. Last time you at least used pressure as an excuse to vote Leone. What happened to that? Are you that happy with everyone? Are your reads already set in stone? If so, please share them with us.

And no, previous bad experiences are not an excuse to sit in the background and wait for something to happen. That's blatant maf play. How long do you plan on holding back? Just long enough so the day ends and you and your scumbuds can draw up a plan for the next day phase? I'm totally buying a Leone/TYG team.

Anyone else share this feeling?

Leone wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:14:43:

TYG's posts, as a whole, have been pretty bad I think. I'm not going to parrot what others have already said about it. Can really say the same about YS too - I don't think anything they've done has been helpful to town in any way whatsoever. I'm also still bitter about sportsguy, but that's just because he isn't trying to play at all.

That being said, I don't think any of them need any pressure *right now* - the onus is on you to unfuck yourself out of the situation that you've put yourself in. IF you're town, you've misled us and wasted a good chunk of d1 by seeming scummy. IF you're maf, well at least you've seemed scummy for a reason lol.

Hey all, I'm back from hunting Pokémon... again (I blame my parents )

I'm now catching up and will try to stay as active as possible, right now I'm at page 14.

I'd have to reread them as I didn't had much time earlier today, so I'll get to this when I've reread them.

I also look forward to his posts, unless he already did (still catching up)

also need to reread them after I got some sleep.

Nobody wants to join me on the TYG wagon?