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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #400 - 08/12/16 at 09:32:05

Leone wrote on 08/12/16 at 01:47:43:

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Not much to say about first batch of posts. Looks like he's just trying (or pretending to try) to scumhunt.

@#288 wagons on me, seems like a copout vote without much reasoning.

He decides to stay on my wagon before checking out, even though he says he thinks Dan might be maf. Lazy play?

TYG, what are your specific thoughts on the Zwiebel/Dan interactions?

CURRENT CONCLUSION: Not much to go on but this is kind of how TYG played in Brett's game, path-of-least-resistance. Neutral or slight town lean.

Litterally all your posts up to my vote were scummy, I still think there's I higher chance of you being maf than Dan.

Dan seemed to look more like maf to me after the interactions with Zweibel, I'm still not sure about him.

Most informative lynch? Either you or Dan, can't decide.

[Vote] unvote [/vote] want to read the rest of the posts before I decide between you and Dan.

And seriously the way I played in Brett's game was completely different. Spontaneous posting and getting shot by vig instantly.

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Reply #401 - 08/12/16 at 09:38:25

Oops wtf, I got mixed up between games. I thought I played spontaneous in both games actually, shocks game I tried to be cautious and screwed up with a couple spontaneous posts, Brett's game I was spontaneous pretty much the entire time. This time, I'm at work so it's difficult for me to give a lot of content, but after work and on the weekend I should have some reads and stuff.

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Reply #402 - 08/12/16 at 09:46:49

DansGame wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:56:58:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/11/16 at 20:17:11:

Wow, definitely leaning more maf on Dan after that. Although both seem like good lynches I think I'm more confident about Leone rn so I'm gonna keep my vote there for tonight, anyway gonna sleep c y'all tomorrow.

I read TYG town initially from his first post, but this is the kind of post I think TYG would make if he were mafia and knew that both Leone and I were town. Lynch Leone today, oh well that didn't work out lynch Dan tomorrow. That, and the fact that I feel like he would have been a more active poster if he were town.

Fyi this is my last post till after work.

I work 8 hours a day and I was at a melee tournament last night, I'm trying my best but I'll be more active tonight and on the weekend. Right now I still think Leone and Dan look the worst and these are my legitimate thoughts. As far as my posting style on either side goes I can post a lot of different ways on either side, I learned a bunch about playing both sides from the resistance games on discord.

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Reply #403 - 08/12/16 at 09:49:26

kyleb30 wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:24:02:

Leone has 4 quick votes on him, if I were to pick one mafia on there it'd be Dan, based solely on the fact that he hoped onto that wagon very quickly. Looks as though he's really trying to divert attention away from himself (and maybe even where the main focus was in general like ALAK, PAF, Racer).

This is my biggest problem with Kyle except not posting much.

Racer727 wrote on 08/12/16 at 08:41:56:

Anyone else getting rather scummy reads from Kyle? I feel like he's just jumping on the bandwagon without much thought. I think we should pressure him because he doesn't seem to be doing much, and that's either a sign of bad town, or Maf, and I'm leaning slightly towards Maf for him.

Yeah he jumped on the wagon without much thought same as Zwiebel. He did make a rather big post, but coming out of nowhere and going with the flow is not really townish.
Although Kyle is a bit scummy i think YS and TYG are worse. I would rather see them lynched then Kyle. They are both going with the flow and Kyle post quality is better.
I feel John is the best of worst.

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5 barely active people in 13 is very very bad for town. Day 1 i can take it, but Day 2 I wouldn't mind getting rid of a player based on low post count (just one of 3 worse).

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Reply #404 - 08/12/16 at 09:50:49

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 08:01:49:

Hah, I wasn't even thinking about Yoshistar in there. Really annoying that he seems to not take the game seriously. But I don't think that's scummy. But yes, put pressure on him.

I was more thinking of Zoran, John, Kyle, maybe TYG.
Tbh I haven't analyzed those people yet. I should reread their posts...

If you look at the top posters on the cgi page, how many mafia members do you think there are outside of the top 5 posters? Or I could ask it the other way around, how many scum are there in {Dan, TvK, ALAKTORN, PAF, Racer}?

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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #407 - 08/12/16 at 09:55:59

DansGame wrote on 08/12/16 at 08:02:18:

no control wrote on 08/12/16 at 07:49:54:

Why is it when Kyle, Yoshi or TYG come out of nowhere and vote for a guy under heat suspicious, but when Zwiebel does the exact same thing even later in the game, no one asks questions. On the contrary, his opinions are suddenly highly valued?

People like Zwiebel and TvK get more town cred because people generally view them as some of the smartest people on the board. People don't think as highly of Yoshistar and TYG yet so they naturally have to prove themselves more. Of course, people like Zwiebel or TvK could be using this to their advantage if they were mafia.

Just popping in to agree with this. More experienced players might be better at hiding the fact that they are mafia, but that doesn't mean there's a smaller chance of being one. I have the second highest post count of everyone in here, yet barely anyone has looked at me as a potential maf member (save for a couple of players). Also, the conversation the past couple of hours has been all about Leone and Dan. Keep in mind that we're looking for 3(!) members of the mafia, so even if they both flip scum, there's still a third guy getting a free pass through to the next day. If you pick up on something suspicious, DO NOT HESTITATE TO POST ABOUT IT. There are 10 members of the town, but it's still possible that 9 others have missed something thaat you did pick up on. Also, your top scumread might not necissarily be the lynch today, but that doesn't mean you can work on a serious case to get them lynched maybe in the next day.

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Reply #408 - 08/12/16 at 10:01:28

When spectating Brett's game, I correctly guessed D2 4/5 maf based on wagonomics alone. However, while I really want to survive until then, I have no problem sacrificing myself if it gives town that much of an advantage.

@TvK, yeah my reads "aren't impressive", I freakin did them at 3am after spending 10+ consecutive hours on a research paper on the effects of the NAO on Caribbean precipitation, and I only got through 3 ppl before I couldn't keep my eyes open anymore. I'm not done with that process.

@John I'm not suspicious of you because you voted me, I'm suspicious of you because you voting me by piggy-backing off TvK's logic. Also, re-reading TvK's posts on TYG and rereading TYG's activity in Brett's game, I'll say TYG is more likely maf than town now.

Since it seems to likely be the most informative, and since idc what happens to me as long as town wins,

[vote]Leone[/vote].

I'll go through more (hopefully everyone's, if I have time) ppls' interactions in a little while.

@Dan I'll go through those interactions you asked me to comment on in a bit.

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Reply #409 - 08/12/16 at 10:03:40

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 09:55:59:

DansGame wrote on 08/12/16 at 08:02:18:

no control wrote on 08/12/16 at 07:49:54:

Why is it when Kyle, Yoshi or TYG come out of nowhere and vote for a guy under heat suspicious, but when Zwiebel does the exact same thing even later in the game, no one asks questions. On the contrary, his opinions are suddenly highly valued?

People like Zwiebel and TvK get more town cred because people generally view them as some of the smartest people on the board. People don't think as highly of Yoshistar and TYG yet so they naturally have to prove themselves more. Of course, people like Zwiebel or TvK could be using this to their advantage if they were mafia.

Just popping in to agree with this. More experienced players might be better at hiding the fact that they are mafia, but that doesn't mean there's a smaller chance of being one. I have the second highest post count of everyone in here, yet barely anyone has looked at me as a potential maf member (save for a couple of players). Also, the conversation the past couple of hours has been all about Leone and Dan. Keep in mind that we're looking for 3(!) members of the mafia, so even if they both flip scum, there's still a third guy getting a free pass through to the next day. If you pick up on something suspicious, DO NOT HESTITATE TO POST ABOUT IT. There are 10 members of the town, but it's still possible that 9 others have missed something thaat you did pick up on. Also, your top scumread might not necissarily be the lynch today, but that doesn't mean you can work on a serious case to get them lynched maybe in the next day.

You said all those things about looking outside me and Leone, can you give us all your reads so far? What do you think of TYG?

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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #410 - 08/12/16 at 10:04:58

LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 09:32:05:

Litterally all your posts up to my vote were scummy, I still think there's I higher chance of you being maf than Dan.

Dan seemed to look more like maf to me after the interactions with Zweibel, I'm still not sure about him.

Most informative lynch? Either you or Dan, can't decide.

[Vote] unvote [/vote] want to read the rest of the posts before I decide between you and Dan.

And seriously the way I played in Brett's game was completely different. Spontaneous posting and getting shot by vig instantly.

Dear mr. TYG. You've got my scumlights flashing. You reassure us that Leone is still your top scumread, but then you GO AHEAD AND UNVOTE HIM? Where is the logic in that? Even if you believe that either Dan or Leone will be the lynch today (which certainly isn't set in stone yet), why the heck would you unvote? Your reason to vote Leone was to put the pressure on him. What did he do to make you unvote him? Did he post something so townish under the pressure that you no longer think he should be lynched? If so, please post that here.

And why is everyone so set on getting "the most informative lynch"? What happened to lynching scum? It seems like a lot of people in here don't believe that either Dan or Leone are scum, but they'll go with it because 1. it will give information and 2. it will keep them out of the spotlight. How is thaat helping the town whatsoever? And yes, Zwiebel is a good player who made some convincing posts, but that doesn't mean everyone should just blindly follow him. Try to make up your own mind when you make a decision. Your own mind is the only one you can trust for 100%.

And TYG, refresh my thoughts, but have you said anything about anyone else this entire game? The only thing you've done is talk about Dan and Leone being scummy and defending yourself after Leone made that post about you. What's the matter? Are your scumbuds not coaching you enough? The town TYG that I remember at least had a mind of his own and tried to find leads in the smallest of details. This is not the town TYG I know.

See this as a serious notion of suspicion, mr. Young Gun.

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Reply #411 - 08/12/16 at 10:05:40

LewisRichards wrote on 08/12/16 at 09:38:25:

Oops wtf, I got mixed up between games. I thought I played spontaneous in both games actually, shocks game I tried to be cautious and screwed up with a couple spontaneous posts, Brett's game I was spontaneous pretty much the entire time. This time, I'm at work so it's difficult for me to give a lot of content, but after work and on the weekend I should have some reads and stuff.

Needless posts to explain your behavior. If you were town, playing your town game, there would be no need to explain yourself.

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Reply #412 - 08/12/16 at 10:08:13

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 10:04:58:

And why is everyone so set on getting "the most informative lynch"? What happened to lynching scum? It seems like a lot of people in here don't believe that either Dan or Leone are scum, but they'll go with it because 1. it will give information and 2. it will keep them out of the spotlight. How is thaat helping the town whatsoever? And yes, Zwiebel is a good player who made some convincing posts, but that doesn't mean everyone should just blindly follow him. Try to make up your own mind when you make a decision. Your own mind is the only one you can trust for 100%.

See this as a serious notion of suspicion, mr. Young Gun.

On D1, getting an informative lynch is paramount to finding all maf D2. I know I'm not scum, but the wagon on me can teach us a lot.

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Reply #414 - 08/12/16 at 10:18:42

Leone wrote on 08/12/16 at 10:08:13:

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 10:04:58:

And why is everyone so set on getting "the most informative lynch"? What happened to lynching scum? It seems like a lot of people in here don't believe that either Dan or Leone are scum, but they'll go with it because 1. it will give information and 2. it will keep them out of the spotlight. How is thaat helping the town whatsoever? And yes, Zwiebel is a good player who made some convincing posts, but that doesn't mean everyone should just blindly follow him. Try to make up your own mind when you make a decision. Your own mind is the only one you can trust for 100%.

See this as a serious notion of suspicion, mr. Young Gun.

On D1, getting an informative lynch is paramount to finding all maf D2. I know I'm not scum, but the wagon on me can teach us a lot.

No, Mafia lynch is paramount in any world at any time for 99% of all cases. It gives the most information anyway... I mean yeah, it's not confirmed that whoever you lynch is a Maf in the end, but I strongly believe you should always try to get the person lynched who you think is more likely to be Mafia, no matter if it gives less information than another lynch with less chance to be Maf.

And...if you are Town, then please do not self vote. The only thing you know for certain D1 is that YOU are Town. Why the hell would you throw yourself in with a self vote? Information? Stay alive and give us information by trying to hunt scum instead of "trying to die for the team"...

What is this game, people claiming Role on D1, people voting themselves D1, what's next...

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Reply #415 - 08/12/16 at 10:29:01

no control wrote on 08/12/16 at 05:42:22:

I have been reading for a past few hours, some thoughts:

1st i will address PAF since some asked:

I already talked about his bad beginning, here is continuation:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:12:41:

Right now my biggest maf lean is Leone. Nonsense (?) reasoning, possibly trying to defend Dan (who i still have a slight mafia lean) and then gives misreading as an excuse which may be fake. Not to mention his inactivity, but that may be legit...
[vote]Leone[/vote]

I also agree with ALAK about Dan, he did make at least 3 defensive posts.

Biggest lean is Leone based on POSSIBLY trying to defend Dan who is a SLIGHT mafia lean. So it looks to me you are saying the guy is your biggest mafia lean because he is possibly defending your slight mafia lean. This is crazy.
It is interesting that Tvk voted for Leone just 4 minutes prior to this.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 13:53:22:

I think it's likely that he's bussing, why the hell not? Specially considering how Leone (apparently) tried to defend Dan.
On the other hand, as I thought more about Dan's posts my maf lean on him decreases...

Ok 1st part of the post if fine, but the 2nd one. If your slight maf lean is decreasing, how is your other maf lean based on that one still your biggest maf lean? This doesn't make much sense.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:25:25:

Eh... okay good point. If Dan were scum with Leone I don't think he would've let Leone post like this. Dan is practically neutral in my point of view now.

Dan all the way down to neutral.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:27:38:

Also I've been reading the Dan/ALAK interaction and it seems most likely t/m, altough there's a chance it's t/t. Too elaborated for m/m. Can't tell which one is maf tho...

One thing I'd like to point out is that Dan has said that he himself has been himself for town and posted a lot.... and he said it 3 times. Would a good townie do this? Seems a bit arrogant...
He also posted (not exact quote, this may be taken different posts) "im vanilla townie so it's not a problem if i get lynched but if you think im maf then either ur maf or you suck". Eh... really?

Ok, back to Dan now, Leone vote seams a bit more reasonable.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:36:39:

Not sure if this is relevant but notice he's the only one to feel like claiming to be a vanilla. Not that I expect actual roleclaims for cop or doctor; but this is noticeable forom my point of view.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:00:15:

Dan you need to explain why you were arrogant about how helpful you were and also explain the post I quoted.

Just continues to step on everyone top 2 favorite suspect.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 04:08:47:

I've reading and rereading posts (mostly since I left)...
My maf lean on Dan has increased due to ALAK's reply #284 and Zwiebel's posts; he's definitely top-2 maf in my point of view now (with Leone being likely #1).
I do think there's a low chance they're both maf. I think TvK has explained this before.
After all, my leans are far from definitive. I believe there's a chance Dan is town, but the same goes from Leone.
I still haven't analyzed Leone completely, I don't think he's answered everything...

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 05:05:27:

Okay, so i went rereading some posts to find out why Dan voted Leone in the first place. He originally just voted (for the same reasons as everyone else?) and then made a post how a Leone wagon would give information (see reply #176)...
The most likely scenario (in my point of view) is that Dan is the only maf. Yes, I do think there's a bigger chance that Dan is mad and Leone is town, after all is misreading excuse might have been legit and got confused due to no time. ALAK would be town due to his interaction with Dan.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 05:05:55:

Oh, and
[vote]Dan[/vote]

Keeps on bashing everyone top 2 favorite suspects.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 05:07:16:

Anyway, I think we've been focusing too much on these guys, some people deserve more pressure...

Yes, you have been following the flow since the start, it is time to make your own conclusions.

Here are 3 phases of PAFs game:

Part 1: Bad beginning (i have talked about this before)

Part 2: Leone vote (reasoning very bad)

Part 3 Just goes with the flow and keeps on bashing Dan and Leone

Zoran, what combination of Leone and I being town or mafia makes PAF likely mafia?

If Leone and I are both town I don't think PAF reconsiders about me and switches his vote to me as a mafia. He just doesn't need to do that, he can safely stay on Leone.

If Leone is mafia and I am town it's possible he may have been mafia bussing Leone for town cred, and then switching to me to get a mislynch, but I don't see a first time player going after Leone like that initially.

If Leone and I are both mafia then he'd be bussing both of his partners D1 if he were mafia...Just doesn't seem like good play to me.

And just by the amount PAF has been contributing compared to the amount he normally posts on the forums at all, he seems town to me.

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Reply #417 - 08/12/16 at 10:32:38

Dan and Leone have now both stated that lynching them would help town. Surely it's more helpful to town if more townies are alive? Also, if it's going to help *you* solve the game if *you* die, well, you'll have trouble sharing that information with us after you're dead. Timur already asked Dan this question, but now I want to pose it to Leone as well: since your death is somehow helpful to town, who should we be most suspicious of IF you flip town?

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Reply #419 - 08/12/16 at 10:41:42

I didn't say that lynching me would help town. I said that if town were to lynch me, it would help other people solve the game easier. However, it would also be a mislynch, and I feel like I could contribute a lot to the game by being alive. I'd definitely rather come up with a good lynch today instead of getting lynched myself.

To that end, I'm still curious about people's reads of TYG, as he is my top scumread other than Leone.

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Reply #420 - 08/12/16 at 10:43:20

DansGame wrote on 08/12/16 at 10:29:55:

Zwiebel and others, can you give your reads of TYG?

I don't have any strong lean on him, I think he's quick to jump on popular opinion, and I don't think he has really said anything of value yet this game, but I don't think that's enough for me to form an opinion of him yet.

I like that Zoran isn't going for the easy targets and is putting pressure on people that haven't really received some so far, so while I think he's wrong about some things he gives me Town vibes for now.

Zoran, do you think we should lynch one of Leone or Dan today? Since Dan is your top town lean I presume you would rather lynch Leone? You made a case on Alak but then decided against pursuing it. Would you be willing to lynch a low-poster?

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Reply #421 - 08/12/16 at 10:55:08

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:23:39:

kyleb30 wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:18:05:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:12:19:

You think his claim is fine? Am I the only one who thinks claiming on D1 is stupid as fuck? I haven't heard any good argument for it...

I don't really read much into it. Everyone comes into the game being assumed to be a town vanilla, so roleclaiming it is pointless imo.

Also I forgot to bold, so

[vote]Leone[/vote]

Yeah exactly...it's pointless. Why do it? There's no reason for a VT to claim VT, it doesn't benefit Town in any way I can imagine, the only thing it can do is hinder Town. Why do you defend it, if you think it's pointless? Just that makes it bad imo.

Dunno, maybe I just don't understand, but in all my games I have ever played I learned that claiming D1 is the worst thing to do. I don't know why that would change all of a sudden.

I'm not defending it, I'm just taking it with a grain of salt because literally any role in this game can benefit from claiming VT, it's a safe play.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:53:00:

Can you elaborate why you think Zoran and Dan are same faction?

Sure. I can't envision a world where zoran!maf would try and take the pressure off dan!town. Zoran should be perfectly content with the lynching of dan if he were mafia as it gets a strong town player out of the game early. I admit it is much more likely that zoran!town could be trying to save dan!maf because he truly thinks there's other mafia, so I really shouldn't be so fast to discount that. But I think the other 2 scenarios are much more likely. The m/m scenario has been explained before, because dan has tons of heat and mafia would hate to lose him early. The t/t scenario is also a high possibility because I think zoran's posting resembles town (wouldn't expect that type of posting if he were town, although his previous posts make me a little weary of clearing him). His recent posts are more indicative of town (as he's truly scumhunting and not just looking at the surface), so I'm feeling much better about him being town.

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"Ah, the antelope of death. It's because I cheated in Super Mario 64. This will need to be addressed soon."

VAJ wrote on 06/12/15 at 02:36:30:

And provably lacey is hoardibg his dkjp 3 lap for you too

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first of all, who's walter XP

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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #422 - 08/12/16 at 10:58:22

Kyle, you don't think Zoran could be trying to pocket me?

He knows I enjoyed playing with him last game and like we were building off of each other's logic. I think anyone in the actual mafia knows that it's unlikely I will actually get lynched D1. I don't think Zoran of all people would push for it, regardless of faction.

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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #424 - 08/12/16 at 11:00:33

Zwiebel wrote on 08/11/16 at 18:02:06:

1. While I agree that Leone looks bad, I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said - I will hold off with my judgement until he defends himself from the heat. While it is important to wagon to pressure someone, I feel like Maf people would easily jump this - regardless of the faction of Leone. From what I know from being Maf in a game is that it is often hard to come up with stuff, and if someone posts a well thought argument you try and jump there as fast as you can(even if it is your teammate). I think especially Dan just jumped on the wagon for this reason(3rd vote). Which brings me to my next point.

Zwiebel, have leone's posts since your first done anything to change your judgement of him? do you have anything else to add? Most specifically, I'd like you (and everyone else for the matter) to address his most recent post. I noticed you said not to self vote, but does this make you feel better or worse about Leone?

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ShadowOfMyles wrote on 02/14/15 at 07:54:58:

"Ah, the antelope of death. It's because I cheated in Super Mario 64. This will need to be addressed soon."

VAJ wrote on 06/12/15 at 02:36:30:

And provably lacey is hoardibg his dkjp 3 lap for you too

☆ᓂ wrote on 05/17/16 at 16:27:26:

first of all, who's walter XP

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