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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #350 - 08/12/16 at 06:00:11

Just throwing this out there. Leone gave up really easily in the Resistance forum game when he was spy, way too early in the game IMO. The fact that he came back from his research paper and actually contributed last night could mean one of a few things:

1. Leone is mafia but he's not m/m with me (which he isn't anyway, because I'm VT) and therefore doesn't feel like the game is lost for his mafia team yet.

2. Leone is town and the game definitely isn't lost for his faction yet.

3. I'm his mafia partner and coached him to respond despite him probably feeling like the game was already lost and not wanting to after a long paper. I think you can throw this out as not likely considering that he came up with a lot of information.

I have to go back and look at what he actually said, though, and I will be going back to look at other players now too. Would still like it if I could get thoughts on my post 312.

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Reply #351 - 08/12/16 at 06:04:03

Zoran can you look at my post 312 and tell me what you think the implications of a Leone lynch are?

The fact that Alaktorn has said numerous times that he 100% believes that both Leone and I are mafia, and is not willing to reconsider, makes him seem very townie to me considering I don't see how he would intentionally hurt his town cred like that as a mafia member. In that case he is either trying to flip two of his scumbuddies, or he's wrong about things and looks bad.

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Reply #352 - 08/12/16 at 06:05:54

There has been talk about Dan being defensive. Yes he has been, but look at these posts. Right from the start all out attack to get him was staged from the start.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 06:49:47:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 06:38:31:

DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 06:32:23:

Town needs to cut the crap and get rid of the fluff before things get much worse.

This doesn't sound like town
you're just lucky i'm keeping my vote bruh

Agreed.

[vote]DBMK64[/vote]

That is page 1

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:38:27:

Maf leans, in order of most to least:
Dan
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That is page 2

Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:30:56:

Dan is acting scummy. I want to see how he acts with the pressure on him. [vote]Dan[/vote[

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:35:48:

Also, [vote]DBMK64[/vote]

The posts were very very defensive, but this is most likely not my final vote.

kyleb30 wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:24:02:

Leone has 4 quick votes on him, if I were to pick one mafia on there it'd be Dan, based solely on the fact that he hoped onto that wagon very quickly. Looks as though he's really trying to divert attention away from himself (and maybe even where the main focus was in general like ALAK, PAF, Racer).

LewisRichards wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:25:19:

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LewisRichards wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:55:32:

TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:49:32:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:44:41:

@TvK looked to me like he was trying too hard to defend a joke post. I'm really not certain though.

What do you think of Dan putting the heat on PAF hard? What do you think is the best way to find out more about the alignment of a new player? Ask him a lot of questions? Accuse him of being scum? Leave him be and see how he tries to interact with others?

I actually thought Dan's pressure on PAF looked bad since the post was obviously a joke I mean Dan made a joke vote too. I don't think PAF responded great. I could see either of them being maf. The best way to find the alignment of a new player is probably to ask a lot of questions, exposed me as maf the first game.

Why would you think that any pressure would look bad? In my opinion, the best reads come from pressuring people. What is the difference between Dan's pressure on PAF or "ask a lot of questions" like you propose? With which way would you get different results?

It just looked like unnessesary pressure and possibly an escape from his own pressure. Asking questions is different than pressurung someone since pressuring someone is off of a maf lead, PAFs random vote seemed undeserving of the pressure imo. Not sure though, I have a bunch of pages to catch up on, I'll post my thoughts when I'm done.

Comes last into the day half day late and picks on 2 top suspects....no one questions that, he is even praised in alaks post.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/11/16 at 18:02:06:

Dan is my Maf lean Nr. 1 right now. First of all, right now he holds the worst post of the game award

Zwiebel wrote on 08/11/16 at 18:06:59:

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LewisRichards wrote on 08/11/16 at 20:17:11:

Wow, definitely leaning more maf on Dan after that. Although both seem like good lynches I think I'm more confident about Leone rn so I'm gonna keep my vote there for tonight, anyway gonna sleep c y'all tomorrow.

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Oh, and
[vote]Dan[/vote]

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:59:23:

I tried to get a Dan wagon but nobody would join it, that helps me with feeling confident that he’s Mafia, because his scumbuddies would want to protect him (and we’ve seen a few protect posts, Leone being one of them).

Nobody would join, yeah right.

Alak attacked Dan from the very start, Dan addressed every question. On the other side when Alak is asked something he says it is cute or someone else will address it. Then PAF calls Dan arrogant.
ARE you freaking kidding me!!!!!
No one seams to care. Zwiebel comes after half a day and starts attacking Dan, no problem with Alak what so ever.

On one side you have a top poster trying to answer everything, or the other attacker who answers what he wants and uses unreliable info to pressure people.
Idk, maybe i write from some kind of parallel universe, but this is crazy.

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Reply #353 - 08/12/16 at 06:10:06

TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:35:45:

Zoran, you've talked an awful lot about ALAK now. And most of that talk seems to imply that you have quite a strong scumread on him. If so, why are you still voting PAF? Did your read on PAF change since your last post a couple of hours ago? Do you still think Dan is likely town? And what do you think of Racer trying to put the spotlight on Sportsguy?

Alak is my biggest maf read at the moment, but i don't think it is the best move to go after him now. If he is town, and there is still a chance he is, i think me and Dan are next and this is pretty much game over. Dan is my biggest town read so far and in case all 3 of us are town...Alak is not a good lynch D1.

My view on PAF hasn't changed. He is only a slight maf lean for me as i have explained in the other post.

Racer is doing with SG what i did my 1st 2 games. I totally understand him. SG is more concerned about his playing style then the game. He is afraid to play so every time he does almost nothing in order to keep his style and helping only mafia with it. In times of confusion, not a bad lynch.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/11/16 at 18:02:06:

Then there's Zoran

You are around to gather something valuable, but don't post much? How are you gathering those valuable things if you don't post? Seems fishy to me, an excuse not to post much. Also Defends Dan here...

I never said i don't post, i said i don't post much and this is because i post when i have something good. Please don't twist my words. In the beginning there is not much to go around so i post, but not much. As we are at no posting in the beginning you are the last person that should be talking.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/11/16 at 19:27:34:

I'd like to hear the other's thoughts about Dan as well, what do you think of his claim, do you think he could lead us to victory if he was Town? Would you lynch him today?

I don't see a problem with his claim, he is a strong player. His lynch would give us a lot of info.

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Reply #354 - 08/12/16 at 06:11:07

DansGame wrote on 08/12/16 at 05:34:54:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/11/16 at 23:00:37:

What, you say Alaktorn is Town no matter what side Leone flips? Sounds to me rather that you want to get on Alaktorn's side and avoid to get lynched today. I think if we lynch Dan and he flips scum, I would give Alaktorn a Town lean, don't know about Leone yet in that situation, don't know if I agree with Alaktorn that they are both mafia...gotta hear more from Leone. I think with the information we have up until now Dan is a better lynch than Leone.

Leone, what do you think of Dan? You think he would be a good lynch today? Do you think there's a connection between him and Alaktorn? What are your general thoughts on D1 so far?

Listen, I already get that you think I'm mafia. Can you go back over my long post and evaluate my logic? If you lynch me today I will flip vanilla town so it's worth it to at least consider what I'm saying and help me with it.

What exactly do you want me to elaborate on? I think your logic about Alaktorn is flawed, yea he might be Town if Leone flips spy, cause he started the wagon, but he could just as well be bussing his mate. And if Leone is Town, then why would that make Alak so sure Town for you? You say it's unlikely for him to be Maf because he's so adamant on you and Leone both being Maf...I don't really get the point, Mafia is always trying get Town lynched? Doesn't it make him look even worse if both of you flip Town? I mean yeah, maybe he will swing his opinion on D2, but maybe he just came up with the m/m to make sure at least one of you guys gets lynched today?

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Reply #355 - 08/12/16 at 06:12:19

no control wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:10:06:

TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:35:45:

Zoran, you've talked an awful lot about ALAK now. And most of that talk seems to imply that you have quite a strong scumread on him. If so, why are you still voting PAF? Did your read on PAF change since your last post a couple of hours ago? Do you still think Dan is likely town? And what do you think of Racer trying to put the spotlight on Sportsguy?

Alak is my biggest maf read at the moment, but i don't think it is the best move to go after him now. If he is town, and there is still a chance he is, i think me and Dan are next and this is pretty much game over. Dan is my biggest town read so far and in case all 3 of us are town...Alak is not a good lynch D1.

My view on PAF hasn't changed. He is only a slight maf lean for me as i have explained in the other post.

Racer is doing with SG what i did my 1st 2 games. I totally understand him. SG is more concerned about his playing style then the game. He is afraid to play so every time he does almost nothing in order to keep his style and helping only mafia with it. In times of confusion, not a bad lynch.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/11/16 at 18:02:06:

Then there's Zoran

You are around to gather something valuable, but don't post much? How are you gathering those valuable things if you don't post? Seems fishy to me, an excuse not to post much. Also Defends Dan here...

I never said i don't post, i said i don't post much and this is because i post when i have something good. Please don't twist my words. In the beginning there is not much to go around so i post, but not much. As we are at no posting in the beginning you are the last person that should be talking.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/11/16 at 19:27:34:

I'd like to hear the other's thoughts about Dan as well, what do you think of his claim, do you think he could lead us to victory if he was Town? Would you lynch him today?

I don't see a problem with his claim, he is a strong player. His lynch would give us a lot of info.

I will comment on other thing soon...

You think his claim is fine? Am I the only one who thinks claiming on D1 is stupid as fuck? I haven't heard any good argument for it...

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Reply #356 - 08/12/16 at 06:16:11

Hmm some good posts from zoran. These don't exactly give me a town lean on you, rather I think you're in the same faction with Dan (either m/m or t/t). I think this is a HUGE move if you're mafia, one I think you and Dan wouldn't take, so I'll lean towards t/t due to POE.

Since the 2 lead wagons seem to be Dan and Leone, I'm gonna vote based on who I think is a bigger loss to town. Since Dan is generally a strong town player, and because he's giving us tons of posts to look after if he is indeed mafia (don't forget, we can always lynch him D2), I think it's in the town's best interest to keep him around. If Leone can clear himself, or if Dan indicts himself, I'll consider changing my vote to Dan. Otherwise

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Reply #357 - 08/12/16 at 06:16:15

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:11:07:

DansGame wrote on 08/12/16 at 05:34:54:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/11/16 at 23:00:37:

What, you say Alaktorn is Town no matter what side Leone flips? Sounds to me rather that you want to get on Alaktorn's side and avoid to get lynched today. I think if we lynch Dan and he flips scum, I would give Alaktorn a Town lean, don't know about Leone yet in that situation, don't know if I agree with Alaktorn that they are both mafia...gotta hear more from Leone. I think with the information we have up until now Dan is a better lynch than Leone.

Leone, what do you think of Dan? You think he would be a good lynch today? Do you think there's a connection between him and Alaktorn? What are your general thoughts on D1 so far?

Listen, I already get that you think I'm mafia. Can you go back over my long post and evaluate my logic? If you lynch me today I will flip vanilla town so it's worth it to at least consider what I'm saying and help me with it.

What exactly do you want me to elaborate on? I think your logic about Alaktorn is flawed, yea he might be Town if Leone flips spy, cause he started the wagon, but he could just as well be bussing his mate. And if Leone is Town, then why would that make Alak so sure Town for you? You say it's unlikely for him to be Maf because he's so adamant on you and Leone both being Maf...I don't really get the point, Mafia is always trying get Town lynched? Doesn't it make him look even worse if both of you flip Town? I mean yeah, maybe he will swing his opinion on D2, but maybe he just came up with the m/m to make sure at least one of you guys gets lynched today?

I'll have to go back and look but Alaktorn was one of the first people to immediately jump on Leone's bad first couple of posts. I don't think Alaktorn would bus a partner so immediately on D1 before a wagon on him started.

Leone and Alaktorn both being town is what I really want you to think about and help me with. What is mafia's plan on D2 in that scenario?

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Reply #358 - 08/12/16 at 06:17:18

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 03:34:19:

Leone wrote on 08/11/16 at 23:39:13:

Zwiebel, TvK, ALAKTORN, who in your opinions would be the most informative D1 lynch?

At this point, definitely you. I normally would've been a little alarmed by how quickly your wagon took off, but the fact that all of the people that immediatle followed me were small town leans I felt really good about. But then it got even more interesting. The fact that there are already 6 people voting you, makes me believe that one of your scumbuddies is on board already. And yes, I'm definitely looking at John or TYG for that. Especially TYG's "oh there's no majority so I might as well join this wagon" was super fishy. It would also solidify my reads of PAF, ALAK and possibly Dan. That's a lot of information for a D1 scumlynch.

You say Leone would be the most informative lynch, do you think it's the best lynch right now? What would you say about a Dan lynch? And what do you think about the whole Leone/Dan/Alaktorn triangle?

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Reply #359 - 08/12/16 at 06:17:31

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Alak is my biggest maf read at the moment, but i don't think it is the best move to go after him now. If he is town, and there is still a chance he is, i think me and Dan are next and this is pretty much game over. Dan is my biggest town read so far and in case all 3 of us are town...Alak is not a good lynch D1.

My view on PAF hasn't changed. He is only a slight maf lean for me as i have explained in the other post.

Racer is doing with SG what i did my 1st 2 games. I totally understand him. SG is more concerned about his playing style then the game. He is afraid to play so every time he does almost nothing in order to keep his style and helping only mafia with it. In times of confusion, not a bad lynch.

Does this mean you're going to keep your vote on PAF. A lot of players, including myself, have already given PAF a slight town read, so at this point I can't really see how you're going to collect enough votes to start a decent wagon on him. What is your exact read on Leone at this point? And of the people attacking Dan, which ones are the mafia masterminds that have lead the charge on him? Also, does this implicate that Leone has a good chance of flipping maf, because his buddies are trying to lead a counterwagon?

And finally the same question I've been asking my latest couple of posts: which one of the low posters deserves to get some heat?

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Reply #360 - 08/12/16 at 06:18:05

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:12:19:

You think his claim is fine? Am I the only one who thinks claiming on D1 is stupid as fuck? I haven't heard any good argument for it...

I don't really read much into it. Everyone comes into the game being assumed to be a town vanilla, so roleclaiming it is pointless imo.

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Reply #361 - 08/12/16 at 06:19:28

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:45:07:

Leone wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:42:26:

I'm not a fan of how Alaktorn is eager to throw someone under the bus this early on. Also, I don't see him putting a lot of effort into scumhunting. This is how he played in Brett's game, and he flipped maf. (To be fair, I didn't follow the game from late May so idk if this is how he usually acts as town. Will have to review that.) Might be something to keep an eye on; atm he's my strongest maf read.

Until further investigation on my part, [vote]ALAKTORN[/vote]

Terrible post from a terrible player. Goddamn I have too many Mafia reads.

This was the very first post anyone made addressing Leone's first post from three posts earlier. Do you really think that Alaktorn, if he is a big-time mafia planner as Sportsguy said, planned this interaction and planned to bus his partner immediately? I don't think it's likely at all.

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Reply #362 - 08/12/16 at 06:22:41

kyleb30 wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:16:11:

Hmm some good posts from zoran. These don't exactly give me a town lean on you, rather I think you're in the same faction with Dan (either m/m or t/t). I think this is a HUGE move if you're mafia, one I think you and Dan wouldn't take, so I'll lean towards t/t due to POE.

Since the 2 lead wagons seem to be Dan and Leone, I'm gonna vote based on who I think is a bigger loss to town. Since Dan is generally a strong town player, and because he's giving us tons of posts to look after if he is indeed mafia (don't forget, we can always lynch him D2), I think it's in the town's best interest to keep him around. If Leone can clear himself, or if Dan indicts himself, I'll consider changing my vote to Dan. Otherwise

[vote]Leone[/vote]

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I really don't like this post. So you're not trying to get your biggest scumread (whoever that may be) lynched; you're only trying to figure out which one of the two is the smallest loss for the town. What if you turn this question around? Aren't we supposed to lynch the one who'll be the biggest loss for the MAF? It seems like you think (know?) both of them are town. Look at Brett's game. Sam and Zarkov were the leading wagons up until 30 minutes before the deadline. And still Racer got lynched. Where are your reads, Kyle? Where is your contribution to the town? Where are your arguments that will help us lynch a mafia member? I can't find them.

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Reply #363 - 08/12/16 at 06:22:57

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:12:19:

You think his claim is fine? Am I the only one who thinks claiming on D1 is stupid as fuck? I haven't heard any good argument for it...

You ask me for an opinion, i answer you and then you ask me again. Yes i think it is fine. It is not a great play, but definitely not stupid as fuck. I think Dan gave a pretty decent answer . You obviously don't think it is good enough i think it is.

Putting pressure on a player is good, but if all you got is coming last into the day and focusing on 1 person, i'm not impressed.

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Reply #364 - 08/12/16 at 06:23:39

kyleb30 wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:18:05:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:12:19:

You think his claim is fine? Am I the only one who thinks claiming on D1 is stupid as fuck? I haven't heard any good argument for it...

I don't really read much into it. Everyone comes into the game being assumed to be a town vanilla, so roleclaiming it is pointless imo.

Also I forgot to bold, so

[vote]Leone[/vote]

Yeah exactly...it's pointless. Why do it? There's no reason for a VT to claim VT, it doesn't benefit Town in any way I can imagine, the only thing it can do is hinder Town. Why do you defend it, if you think it's pointless? Just that makes it bad imo.

Dunno, maybe I just don't understand, but in all my games I have ever played I learned that claiming D1 is the worst thing to do. I don't know why that would change all of a sudden.

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Reply #365 - 08/12/16 at 06:25:18

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Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:12:19:

You think his claim is fine? Am I the only one who thinks claiming on D1 is stupid as fuck? I haven't heard any good argument for it...

You ask me for an opinion, i answer you and then you ask me again. Yes i think it is fine. It is not a great play, but definitely not stupid as fuck. I think Dan gave a pretty decent answer . You obviously don't think it is good enough i think it is.

Putting pressure on a player is good, but if all you got is coming last into the day and focusing on 1 person, i'm not impressed.

No, you didn't answer. You said you have no problem with it. Why? It's like saying someone is Town or Maf without backing it up. Tell me, why are you fine with the claim? What are the benefits for Town? Why would he do it, if he's really a Townie?

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Reply #366 - 08/12/16 at 06:27:16

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:22:41:

kyleb30 wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:16:11:

Hmm some good posts from zoran. These don't exactly give me a town lean on you, rather I think you're in the same faction with Dan (either m/m or t/t). I think this is a HUGE move if you're mafia, one I think you and Dan wouldn't take, so I'll lean towards t/t due to POE.

Since the 2 lead wagons seem to be Dan and Leone, I'm gonna vote based on who I think is a bigger loss to town. Since Dan is generally a strong town player, and because he's giving us tons of posts to look after if he is indeed mafia (don't forget, we can always lynch him D2), I think it's in the town's best interest to keep him around. If Leone can clear himself, or if Dan indicts himself, I'll consider changing my vote to Dan. Otherwise

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I really don't like this post. So you're not trying to get your biggest scumread (whoever that may be) lynched; you're only trying to figure out which one of the two is the smallest loss for the town. What if you turn this question around? Aren't we supposed to lynch the one who'll be the biggest loss for the MAF? It seems like you think (know?) both of them are town. Look at Brett's game. Sam and Zarkov were the leading wagons up until 30 minutes before the deadline. And still Racer got lynched. Where are your reads, Kyle? Where is your contribution to the town? Where are your arguments that will help us lynch a mafia member? I can't find them.

I took a picture of mafia shock at some point last night when the top 5 posters all had 33 posts or more, and the 6th highest poster had 12 posts. I think there's something to be said for that. I'm looking at all of PAF's posts now, but the fact that he has been a forum member for over 800 days and is only elite ranked for posts count, but has posted fourth most in the game, is townie.

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Reply #367 - 08/12/16 at 06:30:19

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:17:18:

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 03:34:19:

Leone wrote on 08/11/16 at 23:39:13:

Zwiebel, TvK, ALAKTORN, who in your opinions would be the most informative D1 lynch?

At this point, definitely you. I normally would've been a little alarmed by how quickly your wagon took off, but the fact that all of the people that immediatle followed me were small town leans I felt really good about. But then it got even more interesting. The fact that there are already 6 people voting you, makes me believe that one of your scumbuddies is on board already. And yes, I'm definitely looking at John or TYG for that. Especially TYG's "oh there's no majority so I might as well join this wagon" was super fishy. It would also solidify my reads of PAF, ALAK and possibly Dan. That's a lot of information for a D1 scumlynch.

You say Leone would be the most informative lynch, do you think it's the best lynch right now? What would you say about a Dan lynch? And what do you think about the whole Leone/Dan/Alaktorn triangle?

I think there has to be one scum in {Leone, Dan, ALAK} and I can't really convince myself that it's ALAK or Dan. Their entire conversation looks like a town-town discussion in my eyes. I do agree with you that Dan's claiming isn't smart town play and that I would have believed him to know better. Also, the fact that he needs to mention that he's vanilla in every posts seems a little bit off for his play. If I had to rank them I'd say Leone - Dan - ALAK as most to least likely scum. However, I don't think a Dan lynch is the best way to go today.

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Reply #368 - 08/12/16 at 06:30:57

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:23:39:

kyleb30 wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:18:05:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:12:19:

You think his claim is fine? Am I the only one who thinks claiming on D1 is stupid as fuck? I haven't heard any good argument for it...

I don't really read much into it. Everyone comes into the game being assumed to be a town vanilla, so roleclaiming it is pointless imo.

Also I forgot to bold, so

[vote]Leone[/vote]

Yeah exactly...it's pointless. Why do it? There's no reason for a VT to claim VT, it doesn't benefit Town in any way I can imagine, the only thing it can do is hinder Town. Why do you defend it, if you think it's pointless? Just that makes it bad imo.

Dunno, maybe I just don't understand, but in all my games I have ever played I learned that claiming D1 is the worst thing to do. I don't know why that would change all of a sudden.

You might think it is one of the worst things to do, and you might be right. Maybe I just messed up. I was getting really angry at Alaktorn reading me as confirmed mafia just because of my first post on Yoshistar and my justification for it.

Of course it's possible that there's a world where I claimed VT as mafia. However, mentally please don't live in that as the only possible world.

What are the implications for a Leone lynch today if he flips town? If the mafia are mostly among the quiet posters, what do they have to gain by letting things stay the way they are in that scenario, what will be their plan of action D2?

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Reply #369 - 08/12/16 at 06:33:29

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:30:19:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:17:18:

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 03:34:19:

Leone wrote on 08/11/16 at 23:39:13:

Zwiebel, TvK, ALAKTORN, who in your opinions would be the most informative D1 lynch?

At this point, definitely you. I normally would've been a little alarmed by how quickly your wagon took off, but the fact that all of the people that immediatle followed me were small town leans I felt really good about. But then it got even more interesting. The fact that there are already 6 people voting you, makes me believe that one of your scumbuddies is on board already. And yes, I'm definitely looking at John or TYG for that. Especially TYG's "oh there's no majority so I might as well join this wagon" was super fishy. It would also solidify my reads of PAF, ALAK and possibly Dan. That's a lot of information for a D1 scumlynch.

You say Leone would be the most informative lynch, do you think it's the best lynch right now? What would you say about a Dan lynch? And what do you think about the whole Leone/Dan/Alaktorn triangle?

I think there has to be one scum in {Leone, Dan, ALAK} and I can't really convince myself that it's ALAK or Dan. Their entire conversation looks like a town-town discussion in my eyes. I do agree with you that Dan's claiming isn't smart town play and that I would have believed him to know better. Also, the fact that he needs to mention that he's vanilla in every posts seems a little bit off for his play. If I had to rank them I'd say Leone - Dan - ALAK as most to least likely scum. However, I don't think a Dan lynch is the best way to go today.

The reason I keep mentioning it is because people are not trying to evaluate my actual logic in my posts. I think they see signs of me being scum (which, I can understand that there are signs starting with me being defensive) but they keep jumping on me for them instead of trying to evaluate the actual content of my posts. For me the next rational conclusion is that if I don't keep mentioning that I'm VT, somewhere along the lines someone is going to say something like "ZOMG Dan said 'if I were mafia' in that post, must be a scum slip, LYNCH AND DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING HE SAYS!!!!!!"

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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #370 - 08/12/16 at 06:46:46

Leone wrote on 08/12/16 at 01:19:36:

Actually scratch that, everyone, answer #318 pls thxz

I might as well. Although SG is super scummy, lynching him isn't our best bet because either Dan or Leone would give is much more info.

I feel like Dan is a better lynch because if Leone keeps posting like he did after his research paper, he's a valuable asset and I feel like it's the type of play only town can come up with. Dan has been arguing with ALAK all day And while Leone has made a good effort at scum hunting. Nevertheless, I still want to , keep my vote on SG, because even if he's town, he should play much better regardless.

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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #371 - 08/12/16 at 06:47:26

DansGame wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:33:29:

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:30:19:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:17:18:

TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 03:34:19:

Leone wrote on 08/11/16 at 23:39:13:

Zwiebel, TvK, ALAKTORN, who in your opinions would be the most informative D1 lynch?

At this point, definitely you. I normally would've been a little alarmed by how quickly your wagon took off, but the fact that all of the people that immediatle followed me were small town leans I felt really good about. But then it got even more interesting. The fact that there are already 6 people voting you, makes me believe that one of your scumbuddies is on board already. And yes, I'm definitely looking at John or TYG for that. Especially TYG's "oh there's no majority so I might as well join this wagon" was super fishy. It would also solidify my reads of PAF, ALAK and possibly Dan. That's a lot of information for a D1 scumlynch.

You say Leone would be the most informative lynch, do you think it's the best lynch right now? What would you say about a Dan lynch? And what do you think about the whole Leone/Dan/Alaktorn triangle?

I think there has to be one scum in {Leone, Dan, ALAK} and I can't really convince myself that it's ALAK or Dan. Their entire conversation looks like a town-town discussion in my eyes. I do agree with you that Dan's claiming isn't smart town play and that I would have believed him to know better. Also, the fact that he needs to mention that he's vanilla in every posts seems a little bit off for his play. If I had to rank them I'd say Leone - Dan - ALAK as most to least likely scum. However, I don't think a Dan lynch is the best way to go today.

The reason I keep mentioning it is because people are not trying to evaluate my actual logic in my posts. I think they see signs of me being scum (which, I can understand that there are signs starting with me being defensive) but they keep jumping on me for them instead of trying to evaluate the actual content of my posts. For me the next rational conclusion is that if I don't keep mentioning that I'm VT, somewhere along the lines someone is going to say something like "ZOMG Dan said 'if I were mafia' in that post, must be a scum slip, LYNCH AND DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING HE SAYS!!!!!!"

I read your post, and I said why I don't agree with your conclusions on Alaktorn/Leone connections. If you want answers to questions, then ask a specific question. I didn't see anything else that I thought were worth mentioning again..

You keep asking what the next step for Mafia would be if Leone was Town. How would we know right now, it's still D1, we don't have much to go after...we can think about that after we know what he flipped, right now I think it is more important to find a good lynch for today.

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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #372 - 08/12/16 at 06:53:00

kyleb30 wrote on 08/12/16 at 06:16:11:

Hmm some good posts from zoran. These don't exactly give me a town lean on you, rather I think you're in the same faction with Dan (either m/m or t/t). I think this is a HUGE move if you're mafia, one I think you and Dan wouldn't take, so I'll lean towards t/t due to POE.

Since the 2 lead wagons seem to be Dan and Leone, I'm gonna vote based on who I think is a bigger loss to town. Since Dan is generally a strong town player, and because he's giving us tons of posts to look after if he is indeed mafia (don't forget, we can always lynch him D2), I think it's in the town's best interest to keep him around. If Leone can clear himself, or if Dan indicts himself, I'll consider changing my vote to Dan. Otherwise

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Can you elaborate why you think Zoran and Dan are same faction?

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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #373 - 08/12/16 at 06:54:02

The reason I keep asking you what the mafia would do if Leone were lynched and flipped town is because that's part of evaluating what a good lynch would be for today. If Leone were lynched and flips mafia, I think that's bad for mafia obviously. If Leone were lynched and flips town, it will make Alaktorn have to reconsider the game. This is more likely the better outcome for mafia of the two so it's more likely that they would want Leone to be lynched if that were the case. That's why I want to know what their plan of attack would be day 2.

Do they try to come after me day 2 and say that I was the next scummiest person? Maybe they'll try to do that, but Alaktorn would have to reconsider his views if that were the case.

I even quoted the Alaktorn post where he started calling out Leone (post 53). He was the very first person to respond to Leone. You think it's possible that Alaktorn immediately started bussing on Leone before anyone else even responded to him? I don't.

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Reply #374 - 08/12/16 at 06:56:58

LewisRichards wrote on 08/11/16 at 20:17:11:

Wow, definitely leaning more maf on Dan after that. Although both seem like good lynches I think I'm more confident about Leone rn so I'm gonna keep my vote there for tonight, anyway gonna sleep c y'all tomorrow.

I read TYG town initially from his first post, but this is the kind of post I think TYG would make if he were mafia and knew that both Leone and I were town. Lynch Leone today, oh well that didn't work out lynch Dan tomorrow. That, and the fact that I feel like he would have been a more active poster if he were town.

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