Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:12:48:


Because I've been lobbying to get the pressure on my top scumread Leone, and I'm definitely not moving my vote until he explains himself.

DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:13:27:


Yes, I agree with you on that matter, as I've already said in a previous post. I actually think both of you are townish, so I really don't like that the discussion is dominated by the agrument between you two.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:25:19:


How do you expect to get these maf leads in the first place? Just sit back and wait for someone else to put the heat on someone until they post something scummy? Which is the fastest way to learn more about someone's alignment? By asking one question at the time? Or by grilling them until they say the things you want to hear?

Zoran, you've talked an awful lot about ALAK now. And most of that talk seems to imply that you have quite a strong scumread on him. If so, why are you still voting PAF? Did your read on PAF change since your last post a couple of hours ago? Do you still think Dan is likely town? And what do you think of Racer trying to put the spotlight on Sportsguy?

Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:17:20:

Haha I like you. You’re cute.

PAF/Racer Townie leans.

I’ll just give a reminder to people: Mafia absolutely do not want to get lynched D1. There are only 3 Mafia members, and if we’re right on Leone they’re losing their shit right now. This is what I’m reading from Dan’s posts, absolute panic. When Zarkov was a wagon on D1 in Brett’s game, we were losing our shit and were trying really hard to save him even for just another day (he was our Odd-Night Vigilante). Dan’s also said that the top poster has never been Mafia, and I’m not sure I agree with that. I’m pretty sure I was up there on D3 of Brett’s game. It’s true that most of the time, most of the Mafia lays low (Leone), but that doesn’t mean that Dan can’t be Mafia just because he’s the top poster.

Honestly it’s kinda important to get some wagons going D1, people need to pressure others because that’s how the Mafia gets scared. When they see a wagon forming on a scumbuddy on D1, they have to do something about it. I tried to get a Dan wagon but nobody would join it, that helps me with feeling confident that he’s Mafia, because his scumbuddies would want to protect him (and we’ve seen a few protect posts, Leone being one of them). Leone’s wagon has took off quite well, which normally would mean that the Mafia are OK with it so it’s a mislynch, but in this case I just think Maf Leone dug his grave too deep and he’s being bussed.

I don't see how Alaktorn can try to mislynch me tomorrow if Leone flips town. It makes me feel like he and Leone are not m/m (which is unlikely anyway, but it makes me feel better about a Leone lynch).

TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 16:32:06:


I guess you're right, grilling them is faster. But in the case of Dan grilling PAF, I thought it looked bad. I'm still not sure what to think of the Dan Alak exchange.

All of Leone's posts sucked and there's no majority so I'll just vote now

[Vote] Leone [/vote]

Sorry for the inactivity boys, didn't have time to read and post until now but now I'm free. I read through everything and I'll just state the most important things that caught my eye.

1. While I agree that Leone looks bad, I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said - I will hold off with my judgement until he defends himself from the heat. While it is important to wagon to pressure someone, I feel like Maf people would easily jump this - regardless of the faction of Leone. From what I know from being Maf in a game is that it is often hard to come up with stuff, and if someone posts a well thought argument you try and jump there as fast as you can(even if it is your teammate). I think especially Dan just jumped on the wagon for this reason(3rd vote). Which brings me to my next point.

2. Dan is my Maf lean Nr. 1 right now. First of all, right now he holds the worst post of the game award:


DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 10:01:01:


First of all, I feel like I have to say this every game I play(I should've been here earlier to say it before it happens..), but NEVER CLAIM YOUR ROLE ON D1. Unless it's 5 minutes before EOD and you're going to be lynched, there is no reason to claim your role this early...this is dumb on so many levels I can't even express. If you are Town, then Maf now knows that you have no power role, hence making it easier for them to kill the real power roles. You even say this YOURSELF, and still claim just cuase you're scared to be mislynched?This early?

However, the good thing about this is: I doubt you're Town Vanilla, I think you're probably Mafia and I don't know why you felt pressured to claim Town Vanilla so early, but either way it was a pretty dumb move. Only real dumb Townies claim Vanilla D1, and I don't think you're really dumb, so the only conclusion is that you're Maf and felt pressured enough to just say you're Town Vanilla.

On top of that the whole Dan/Alak Conversation will definitely be interesting to go through again, but from my first read through I think Alak is just trying to put heat on different people, which is rather Townie. On the topic, I'm still gonna be neutral on him and TvK, just for reasons that I know both of them and think both of them are really good players - Just looking Townie this early on means not much to me. The alignment will become clearer once we progress more into the game.

Biggest Town lean so far is Racer, he doesn't jump the wagon, he pressured Sportsguy and Dan(which I really like), 2 people who deserve the heat. Also just gut feeling from how he posts.

About Sportsguy, I've played some games with him and sadly he always lays low early, no matter the alignment(I think someone already mentioned this), so it's hard to judge him based on that. However, I would not give him a free pass to just lay low the entire game, he will have to make sure to post more as the game goes on.

Then there's Zoran

no control wrote on 08/11/16 at 10:50:39:


Bolded the important part. You are around to gather something valuable, but don't post much? How are you gathering those valuable things if you don't post? Seems fishy to me, an excuse not to post much. Also Defends Dan here...

Tl;dr : Likely Scum: Dan, maybe scum: Zoran, probably Town: Racer

I'll read through again, probably missed a lot

[Vote]DBMK64[/vote]

DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 18:16:10:


I don't know what All Star games you talk about, cause I don't follow that, but I stand to my point...like give me 1 reason to claim vanilla Town there. You weren't in danger to getting lynched, yea you got some pressure but that's it. Literally 0 reason to claim.

I think you just want to salvage the situation, you panicked and claimed vanilla. I don't think there's any other reason.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/11/16 at 18:21:44:

I think I'm smart enough to be able to figure out the game later even if the cop were to die. And me outing as vanilla town doesn't make it that much more likely that a PR dies tonight, also it makes the medic more likely to save the cop by not choosing me.

I said this before too Zwiebel, but if I were mafia I would not have put myself out there so much against Alaktorn to begin with. In fact, it was the fact that he turned back around on me for what I thought were dumb reasons that made me go back on him and really started our whole argument in the first place (although given how much he wants to lynch Leone too, it makes me feel like he is town).

I would not have made the decision to intentionally put myself so much in the spotlight as mafia.