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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #225 - 08/11/16 at 14:53:33
 
Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:35:29:
This is very scummy and bad play. Just because it's day one does not mean you can just sit back and wait for Maf to pull a misslynch. If you are actually town, you should be looking for clues, anything that looks scummy, not just sitting back with your joke vote from earlier. This is either awful awful lazy town play, or a scared Maf who doesn't want to get caught. Either way, this kind of play makes you look bad and I don't like it.


Your vote is still on Dan and you have implicated that you had even forgotten that it was there. Doesn't this kind of reasoning warrant an immediate vote on Sportsguy? Or are you first waiting for people to react to your post to make sure you're doing the right thing?
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Reply #226 - 08/11/16 at 14:56:00
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:41:37:
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I don't think i have learned very much after reading through the thread.  I'm leaning to toward town for DB and Racer, but that can change easily.

I voted for Alak early on without any info.  I'm going to keep my vote on him for the time being.


PAF said "I went on a small bike ride. I do it around once a week during summer."  This is strange to see in a mafia game.  

Why will you keep your vote on ALAK? Explain.


I always think day 1 is a shot in the dark.  Point me in the direction of someone more worthy of my vote.  



This is very scummy and bad play. Just because it's day one does not mean you can just sit back and wait for Maf to pull a misslynch. If you are actually town, you should be looking for clues, anything that looks scummy, not just sitting back with your joke vote from earlier. This is either awful awful lazy town play, or a scared Maf who doesn't want to get caught. Either way, this kind of play makes you look bad and I don't like it.

Good post.

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:36:51:
I still don't like Michele's approach, pressuring Dan gives him 3 options (defend, retaliate, nothing), and somehow Dan doing defend/retaliate is what gives the scumread? I would have gotten more of a scumread had he done *nothing* rather than doing something lol.

It’s not just the defense-retaliation, it’s the content of his posts. I’ve called out all the posts I thought were bad, it should be clear to good players what I mean. What’s your experience with Mafia? I know in Resistance you absolutely have to clear yourself if you’re Rebel (at end game, anyway), but in Mafia doing “nothing” (or rather not addressing it much and going after others to try to scumhunt instead) is a legitimate Town tactic.

No, basically you have jumped on me for the stuff with YS (which is RIDICULOUS) and for me being defensive, which I can understand why you might read me scummy for. You said that I would look bad if PAF flipped town after a lynch and that Leone aggressively defended ne, which isn't even true. Other than that you haven't really evaluated any of my posts.
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Reply #227 - 08/11/16 at 14:56:19
 
TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:53:33:
Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:35:29:
This is very scummy and bad play. Just because it's day one does not mean you can just sit back and wait for Maf to pull a misslynch. If you are actually town, you should be looking for clues, anything that looks scummy, not just sitting back with your joke vote from earlier. This is either awful awful lazy town play, or a scared Maf who doesn't want to get caught. Either way, this kind of play makes you look bad and I don't like it.


Your vote is still on Dan and you have implicated that you had even forgotten that it was there. Doesn't this kind of reasoning warrant an immediate vote on Sportsguy? Or are you first waiting for people to react to your post to make sure you're doing the right thing?

I was waiting for Sportsguy to reply. Now that he has, I know he is my best bet for votes.
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Reply #228 - 08/11/16 at 14:56:40
 
Still waiting on racer to respond to my post 135
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Reply #229 - 08/11/16 at 14:56:54
 
Preparing a post as i'm reading through. In the mean time TvK, what do you think of Alak so far? We have seen your thoughts on Dan, what about Alak?
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Reply #230 - 08/11/16 at 15:00:38
 
Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 11:09:49:
DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 10:56:57:
Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 10:54:08:
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What do you think of PAF scumreading you, Racer? Is this a case of "he thinks I'm maf, so he must be maf"? If so, do you attribute this to him being a newbie at this game or to him actually being maf trying to fabricate a reason to scumread anyone? And what do you think of ALAK's scumread on Dan? And how does that read relate to the Dan-PAF discussion?

I feel PAF's reasons for putting me on his scum list are "He's coming down hard on me, therefore he must be Maf trying to mislynch" the problem with his theory is that it is not a very good theory as I'm only questioning the things I find scummy, and he thinks I'm out to get him. At this point I'm leaning more newbie town then newbie Maf.


Are you saying that you think that PAF mafreads you and you're townreading him because he is doing so? Why would you say this "he thinks I'm out to get him"? I don't know if I'm the only one reading it like this, but this sounds like you're saying you know PAF is town and you're trying to distract us from the fact that PAF is pointing out that you're setting up a mislynch. I don't know f I'm wording this correctly for everyone to read.

Anyway, what makes you think he is newbie town over newbie maf? What would make you notice the difference between these two?

Also, what happened to your vote on Dan? You voted him because you wanted to put pressure on him. So is that all of the pressure you've got? Don't you think you should be accusing him of something? Or at least ask him some sharp questions?

I'm reading PAF as newbie town because he's acting like I did. I'm reading him the way I thought myself my first Maf game. Because of this, I'm leaning towards him being more town then Maf, but he could be Maf considering his confusing play.

And, I may have forgotten my vote is on Dan... Roll Eyes


Could you be a lot more specific on how you think PAF is really a newbie town just like you were in previous games?  If you remember specific stuff about Vinnie from previous. W e we ogames I would think you could remember specific aspects of your play that were very much the same as PAF this game.

Also Racer could you post all of your reads so far?

I notice he is worried about getting mislynched like I was, so he accused everyone who accused him of being Maf in order to try and escape mislynch.

My reads are
Dan - slight lean on him for Maf, as he has been acting strange/scummy all game.
ALAK - I don't think that Dan and ALAK are m/m There exchange didn't feel like bussing, it felt more like straight up accusations. I think they can easily be t/m With either one of the turning up Maf, and I think Dan is more likely to.
PAF - Town lean for reasons I've already given.

Dude. I already have. I did It earlier this game. But now that my thoughts have changed, should I repost my leads?
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Reply #231 - 08/11/16 at 15:04:54
 
Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:52:11:
Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:47:20:
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I don't think i have learned very much after reading through the thread.  I'm leaning to toward town for DB and Racer, but that can change easily.

I voted for Alak early on without any info.  I'm going to keep my vote on him for the time being.


PAF said "I went on a small bike ride. I do it around once a week during summer."  This is strange to see in a mafia game.  

Why will you keep your vote on ALAK? Explain.


I always think day 1 is a shot in the dark.  Point me in the direction of someone more worthy of my vote.  



This is very scummy and bad play. Just because it's day one does not mean you can just sit back and wait for Maf to pull a misslynch. If you are actually town, you should be looking for clues, anything that looks scummy, not just sitting back with your joke vote from earlier. This is either awful awful lazy town play, or a scared Maf who doesn't want to get caught. Either way, this kind of play makes you look bad and I don't like it.


I play the same way if i am mafia or town.  



This doesn't help your case, it just shows you don't care day one either way.  It's even a rule you should play to win. This only makes me lean towards Maf more.


Why do u think i'm not trying to play to win?  How does it show i don't care?  


I sit back and develop my own reads on players.  I don't always post them for everyone to see.  AND day 1 is a crapshoot while we are still on day 1.  It gets more important as we go on and can look back, but right now there has been nothing posted that proves someone is mafia no matter who they support or don't.
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Reply #232 - 08/11/16 at 15:07:20
 
Racer, I asked you to be a lot more specific about your reasons for reading PAF town based on the similarity between how he is playing this game and how you played in past games.
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Reply #233 - 08/11/16 at 15:08:23
 
no control wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:56:54:
Preparing a post as i'm reading through. In the mean time TvK, what do you think of Alak so far? We have seen your thoughts on Dan, what about Alak?


I'm giving him a townread at this point. I feel like he spent most of the first day in Brett's game laying low when he was maf. Here, he has come storming out of the gates, spraying accusations from the start. I'm not too happy with his argument with Dan, because it doesn't seem to go anywhere at this point. Anyway, I'm happy that he's also scumreading Leone, because I think that is the way we should go right now.
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Reply #234 - 08/11/16 at 15:09:37
 
Maf lean on Leone:

Leone's first post was scummy as hell because he didn't gave us decent reason why and after some inactivity he decides to unvote and was gonna investigate stuff, but he didn't return since, of course inactivity doesn't necessarily mean he's maf, but he could be chatting with other maf in the background.

He needs to post more, I can't get much out of him if he keeps doing this. (inb4 resistance)
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Reply #235 - 08/11/16 at 15:09:42
 
TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:08:23:
no control wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:56:54:
Preparing a post as i'm reading through. In the mean time TvK, what do you think of Alak so far? We have seen your thoughts on Dan, what about Alak?


I'm giving him a townread at this point. I feel like he spent most of the first day in Brett's game laying low when he was maf. Here, he has come storming out of the gates, spraying accusations from the start. I'm not too happy with his argument with Dan, because it doesn't seem to go anywhere at this point. Anyway, I'm happy that he's also scumreading Leone, because I think that is the way we should go right now.

I don’t think you should’ve replied to that. I’d have rather Zoran post his thoughts first. You’ve done enough talking already while he hasn’t.
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Reply #236 - 08/11/16 at 15:09:56
 
Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:04:54:
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I don't think i have learned very much after reading through the thread.  I'm leaning to toward town for DB and Racer, but that can change easily.

I voted for Alak early on without any info.  I'm going to keep my vote on him for the time being.


PAF said "I went on a small bike ride. I do it around once a week during summer."  This is strange to see in a mafia game.  

Why will you keep your vote on ALAK? Explain.


I always think day 1 is a shot in the dark.  Point me in the direction of someone more worthy of my vote.  



This is very scummy and bad play. Just because it's day one does not mean you can just sit back and wait for Maf to pull a misslynch. If you are actually town, you should be looking for clues, anything that looks scummy, not just sitting back with your joke vote from earlier. This is either awful awful lazy town play, or a scared Maf who doesn't want to get caught. Either way, this kind of play makes you look bad and I don't like it.


I play the same way if i am mafia or town.  



This doesn't help your case, it just shows you don't care day one either way.  It's even a rule you should play to win. This only makes me lean towards Maf more.


Why do u think i'm not trying to play to win?  How does it show i don't care?  


I sit back and develop my own reads on players.  I don't always post them for everyone to see.  AND day 1 is a crapshoot while we are still on day 1.  It gets more important as we go on and can look back, but right now there has been nothing posted that proves someone is mafia no matter who they support or don't.

All you said was you create a joke vote and leave it at that, in which Maf can easily mislynch. If you are town, post your reads here, so everyone can see it to help us win. I need to see some very good reads in order to not push you so hard, because you look like scum to me.
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Reply #237 - 08/11/16 at 15:13:42
 
Holy hell this blew up quickly. I'll explain myself if need be after midnight CST, as that's the deadline for my paper. While I don't have time right now to explain myself/contribute anything extremely useful/build a case against anyone, I can put down these quick thoughts:

-It's interesting to see how easily people have wagoned on me, based on a grand total of two posts. Some maf are DEFINITELY on this wagon, because they currently see me as the easiest mislynch.
-TvK, Zoran and Sportsguy have been online a LOT so far today without posting in this thread -- maf chat interactions, maybe? (Will cross-ref their interactions later to see if this holds water.)
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Reply #238 - 08/11/16 at 15:16:19
 
DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:07:20:
Racer, I asked you to be a lot more specific about your reasons for reading PAF town based on the similarity between how he is playing this game and how you played in past games.

PAF has been playing better since then and I and I am leaning towards him being noob town. I don't really see as many similarities now from my past games because he seems a bit more out there than I was. And I have a bit of a town lean on him.
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Reply #239 - 08/11/16 at 15:16:31
 
Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:09:56:
All you said was you create a joke vote and leave it at that, in which Maf can easily mislynch. If you are town, post your reads here, so everyone can see it to help us win. I need to see some very good reads in order to not push you so hard, because you look like scum to me.


Why wait for him to post his reads before you will start to push him hard? If he is your top scumread, why won't you push him hard right now? Don't you think you'll be able to make a much stronger read on him after you've grilled him a bit?
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Reply #240 - 08/11/16 at 15:17:09
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 06:51:16:
Also, noob players like Yoshistar and Racer have been easy to read for me in past games, so I don’t think I will vote them. Not on the reason of “fluff”, anyway.


ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:19:45:
Maybe, but he’s still gonna be an easier read than everybody else. I don’t think he played in Brett’s game, did he?


ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:22:41:
Goddamnit you’re making it hard to read you. I take back what I said.


Those 3 posts inside 30 minutes, last 2 inside 3 minutes. People change their opinions, but after 2 entire games of easy reading on the 2, suddenly it changes in 30 minutes. Talking about defensive.

1st post is also interesting. Past games where we had alak, YS and racer come to total of 2 in one of which Alak was mafia so there was nothing to read really. It is 1 game where that easy reading experiance comes from. Reference to past games looks even worse when you take in account that Alak has shown bad knowlage of past games.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:19:45:
Maybe, but he’s still gonna be an easier read than everybody else. I don’t think he played in Brett’s game, did he?


Yes he did.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:38:25:
Zoran is a bit on the low posting side compared to usual I think.


Nope, pretty much the same style regarding post count and activity.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:38:27:
I guess I don’t remember a lot of Brett’s game. I only remember stuff like Joe/Zarkov Lookouts and Vinnie Medium.


Talk about defensive again, this time admiting low knowlage on the previous games but continues to use past games in arguments.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:42:58:
Goddamn I don’t remember shit. Honestly don’t know what game Racer got lynched D1. No wait… that was his scumslip. Wait, I’m dumb. I flipped Brett’s and Shock’s games. It was Shock, Brett, Shock; not Brett, Shock, Shock.

I meant I don’t remember Racer playing in the power-heavy game, Shock’s first.


Yet he was an easy read in past games, this is getting better and better...

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:44:06:
Zoran, sure, but he has his own weird ideas about the game’s meta and “never randoming” sounds like something Town Zoran could say. He’s being awfully quiet though and I don’t think he’s Town.


Again trying to push this false idea that i'm "awfully quiet" (same as "low posting" from earlier).

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ALAK do you mind explaining why my post is noobish?

I’m sure TvK will be on the case. He can explain it better than me.


Worst post in the game so far.

TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:25:38:
I'll post my leans later on. Sorry for the lack of activity; am putting the finishing touches on a research paper I'm turning in at the end of today.

I likely misread the first few pages' posts. Will break everything down later on and make a more informed vote then.

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From bad to worse, looking forward to see more thoughts from you and more activity to avoid those "likely misread" posts.


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What do you think of Dan putting the heat on PAF hard?


Was Dan putting heat on PAF hard? If anything it was the other way around. If anyone was on PAF it was me.

My vote remains on PAF.

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Reply #241 - 08/11/16 at 15:20:06
 
Leone wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:13:42:
-TvK, Zoran and Sportsguy have been online a LOT so far today without posting in this thread -- maf chat interactions, maybe? (Will cross-ref their interactions later to see if this holds water.)


This post right here is my 36th since the start of the game. Do you just think I'm posting empty statements or fluff? How many posts did you expect from me?
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Reply #242 - 08/11/16 at 15:21:06
 
TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:16:31:
Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:09:56:
All you said was you create a joke vote and leave it at that, in which Maf can easily mislynch. If you are town, post your reads here, so everyone can see it to help us win. I need to see some very good reads in order to not push you so hard, because you look like scum to me.


Why wait for him to post his reads before you will start to push him hard? If he is your top scumread, why won't you push him hard right now? Don't you think you'll be able to make a much stronger read on him after you've grilled him a bit?

I either typed that wrong, or you read that wrong. I meant the opposite. ThatI will keep pushing him hard unless he has amazing reads.
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Reply #243 - 08/11/16 at 15:21:39
 
Leone wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:13:42:
Holy hell this blew up quickly. I'll explain myself if need be after midnight CST, as that's the deadline for my paper. While I don't have time right now to explain myself/contribute anything extremely useful/build a case against anyone, I can put down these quick thoughts:

-It's interesting to see how easily people have wagoned on me, based on a grand total of two posts. Some maf are DEFINITELY on this wagon, because they currently see me as the easiest mislynch.
-TvK, Zoran and Sportsguy have been online a LOT so far today without posting in this thread -- maf chat interactions, maybe? (Will cross-ref their interactions later to see if this holds water.)


wait wut? How do you know that they've been online "a LOT" without being online yourself? Not sure if I get this...
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Reply #244 - 08/11/16 at 15:22:13
 
Leone wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:02:07:
I'll post my leans later on. Sorry for the lack of activity; am putting the finishing touches on a research paper I'm turning in at the end of today.

I likely misread the first few pages' posts. Will break everything down later on and make a more informed vote then.

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This is post from Leone not Tvk, mistake in the previous post, 2nd from last quote.
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Reply #245 - 08/11/16 at 15:25:11
 
Leone wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:13:42:
Holy hell this blew up quickly. I'll explain myself if need be after midnight CST, as that's the deadline for my paper. While I don't have time right now to explain myself/contribute anything extremely useful/build a case against anyone, I can put down these quick thoughts:

-It's interesting to see how easily people have wagoned on me, based on a grand total of two posts. Some maf are DEFINITELY on this wagon, because they currently see me as the easiest mislynch.
-TvK, Zoran and Sportsguy have been online a LOT so far today without posting in this thread -- maf chat interactions, maybe? (Will cross-ref their interactions later to see if this holds water.)


Interesting how you don't have time to make a decent post, but you have time to follow people activity on the MB.
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Reply #246 - 08/11/16 at 15:27:34
 
Zoran could you go into more thoughts about PAF? I've gotten a townie vibe from him the last couple of pages (can't go into more detail as I am put right now).
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Reply #247 - 08/11/16 at 15:27:38
 
Also I've been reading the Dan/ALAK interaction and it seems most likely t/m, altough there's a chance it's t/t. Too elaborated for m/m. Can't tell which one is maf tho...

One thing I'd like to point out is that Dan has said that he himself has been himself for town and posted a lot.... and he said it 3 times. Would a good townie do this? Seems a bit arrogant...
He also posted (not exact quote, this may be taken different posts) "im vanilla townie so it's not a problem if i get lynched but if you think im maf then either ur maf or you suck". Eh... really?
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Reply #248 - 08/11/16 at 15:29:11
 
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:27:38:
Also I've been reading the Dan/ALAK interaction and it seems most likely t/m, altough there's a chance it's t/t. Too elaborated for m/m. Can't tell which one is maf tho...

One thing I'd like to point out is that Dan has said that he himself has been himself for town and posted a lot.... and he said it 3 times. Would a good townie do this? Seems a bit arrogant...
He also posted (not exact quote, this may be taken different posts) "im vanilla townie so it's not a problem if i get lynched but if you think im maf then either ur maf or you suck". Eh... really?

To clarify, I don't think it's dumb for someone to think I'm maf. I think it's dumb for Alaktorn to not be willing to reconsider his view that Leone and I are 100% m/m.
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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #249 - 08/11/16 at 15:29:30
 
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:27:38:
Also I've been reading the Dan/ALAK interaction and it seems most likely t/m, altough there's a chance it's t/t. Too elaborated for m/m. Can't tell which one is maf tho...

One thing I'd like to point out is that Dan has said that he himself has been himself for town and posted a lot.... and he said it 3 times. Would a good townie do this? Seems a bit arrogant...
He also posted (not exact quote, this may be taken different posts) "im vanilla townie so it's not a problem if i get lynched but if you think im maf then either ur maf or you suck". Eh... really?

Good points. Could you pull up the exact quotes?
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