I'll just put this post out here again, so everyone can see the (lack of) interaction betwwen maf team YS/Zwiebel/PAF:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:22:54:my mafia leans, in order:
Racer, because he said my randomness was scummy for no reason and also voted Dan for no reason after someone else voted (see TVK's post)
Leone because I don't get his only post. ALAK not scum hunting?? trying to put someone under the bus?? (yes I do know what the expression means)
Dan. There's a small chance that he was trying to make a mislynch later on with his first posts (unless he wasn't srs)
Zoran, because he also focused on my "randomness"... but eh this is already a light mafia lean
no town leans because i might have a mafia lean on anyone at some point
and yes Dan i did make a joke on a post i wasn't sure about (but i did understand right anyway), not the best idea...
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:12:41:TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:05:26:P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 11:51:04:Okay first off the reason why I listed no town leans was because everyone else seemed neutral to me, because I don't think I'm good enough to read some people. But those were the people I noticed that seemed scummy. You could say I had a town lean on everyone else.
Zoran and Racer (and later on, TYG) seemed to care about little details such as my RNG vote (I mean, come on, that's similar to the Lapungo votes) and my accidental post split; I just thought that might've been mafia trying to take advantage of a noob. I suppose I shouldn't care so much about my town cred; but don't be amazed if I use the same reason later on (I won't gain town cred next time, anyway).
I have a question for you: who do you think will be looking the closest into the small details? The mafia who wants to stay out of the spotlight to not be uncovered? Or the townsfolk who don't know anything and want to find the mafia?
Hmm, good point. I suppose intelligent but uninformed people (experienced town) would look for details more than anyone.
Right now my biggest maf lean is Leone. Nonsense (?) reasoning, possibly trying to defend Dan (who i still have a slight mafia lean) and then gives misreading as an excuse which may be fake. Not to mention his inactivity, but that may be legit...
[vote]Leone[/vote]
I also agree with ALAK about Dan, he did make at least 3 defensive posts.
PAF is consistently scum-reading townspeople, without mentioning any of his buddies (Zwiebel/YS).
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:26:39:Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/11/16 at 11:03:40:P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:49:48:Dan posted in the previous page about doing pressure on the noobs and such... I agree, but we shouldn't go for the lynch just because of 5 "noobish" mistakes and inactivity, that costed town a day in various games in the past. Just a heads-up
Yes, but having a noob-only game isn't pretty lol
neither are mislynches
focus on the actual scummy ones. Sure they are sometimes the noobs but eh... just remember to think twice 3 hours before end of day when an inexperienced is the most voted. After all they're the ones who tend to be on people's mad leans, when they're town.
Just a tip.
Then this awkward exchange with his buddy.
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:32:17:DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:14:19:I kept myself out of the spotlight. I have had no trouble putting myself in the spotlight today and scumhunting while also being defensive.
idk man... you could have just changed your play style and then used it as an excuse.
Also if I were mafia, I would try to post as if I were town, even is that implies bussing my teammates way too much. Sure, I'm far from being a good player, but this may not be a bad strat. After all mafia are caught because their behavior deviates from good town behavior. This is also why I hesitate in listing town leans.
Here basically just declares that he cares a lot about town cred. He also says he thinks bussing is a big part of maf play. And what do you know? He's voted Zwiebel twice already. This is the kind of bus you would expect from a noob mafia player, just putting their vote on their partner. He never dared to really push for a Zwiebel lynch, because that scared him way too much.
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 13:53:22:TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 13:43:18:P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 13:36:14:TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:21:48:And Dan is even voting Leone as well. Does this change anything about your read on either of them?
tbh i don't see why the fact that they seem to agree with me on the biggest mafia lean would change my view of them...
You say you have maf leans on both Leone and Dan in your post. However, one of them (Dan) is voting the other. Do you think they are buddies trying to bus eachother or do you think that only one of them is maf? If so, please explain which one of the two and how that changes your view on the other.
I think it's likely that he's bussing, why the hell not? Specially considering how Leone (apparently) tried to defend Dan.
On the other hand, as I thought more about Dan's posts my maf lean on him decreases...
Everytime PAF's reads are questioned he quickly reconsiders. After all, it wouldn't be a good "appaering to be town" read if people are questioning him.
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:25:25:TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 14:20:04:Keeping in mind that the mafia can chat with eachother at all time, how likely does it seem to you that they came up with a plan in which one is bussing the other one badly, while the other is trying to defend the one who is accusing him?
Eh... okay good point. If Dan were scum with Leone I don't think he would've let Leone post like this. Dan is practically neutral in my point of view now.
BLASPHEMY! HE SAID IT AGAIN! (- John Cleese)
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/11/16 at 15:45:54:dat quote tower xD
I agree with Racer in the sense that sportsguy should share his thoughts; even though I doubt he will since he seemed to never do it in past games... but I still don't get his point.
I don't think joke votes are a problem; 29 hours left in the day and no majority lynch. Maybe he hasn't decided.
Last time he even mentioned Racer, he was still a scum read. Now he's even using Racer's arguments to put the focus on another town member.
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 04:08:47:I've reading and rereading posts (mostly since I left)...
My maf lean on Dan has increased due to ALAK's reply #284 and Zwiebel's posts; he's definitely top-2 maf in my point of view now (with Leone being likely #1).
I do think there's a low chance they're both maf. I think TvK has explained this before.
After all, my leans are far from definitive. I believe there's a chance Dan is town, but the same goes from Leone.
I still haven't analyzed Leone completely, I don't think he's answered everything...
He says his maf lean on Dan has increased thanks to ALAK and Zwiebel(!), but once again he can't even convince himelf and even believes there's a chance that Dan is town.
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 04:13:25:Due to Dan/ALAK interaction not being m/m I obviously conclude that ALAK is probably town, he's my biggest town lean.
Other town leans include TvK due to active scumhunting and Zwiebel posting nearly convincing arguments against Dan, both of which had no anomalies in their behavior (at least which I noticed). But these are just slight town leans. Like I said, they could just be this good as maf...
His townread of Zwiebel is totally dependent on Dan being maf, something he's far from convinced of. And then the bolded sentence. Epic foreshadowing.
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 05:07:16:Anyway, I think we've been focusing too much on these guys, some people deserve more pressure...
Obvious attempt at cheap townie points is obvious. I even call him out and say he should provide the pressure himself, but he doesn't do anything at all. Actually, this is what he says:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 08:01:49:TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 05:17:40:P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 05:07:16:Anyway, I think we've been focusing too much on these guys, some people deserve more pressure...
Who do you have in mind specifically? If you want pressure on some people, then go ahead and apply some.
TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 05:25:03:Blegh, totally agreeing with you there, btw, PAF. One of these out of the spotlight people even takes the time to share his Pokémon GO adventures with us, but seems happy enough to stay away from this topic as long as he doesn't face any heat.
Hah, I wasn't even thinking about Yoshistar in there. Really annoying that he seems to not take the game seriously. But I don't think that's scummy. But yes, put pressure on him.
I was more thinking of Zoran, John, Kyle, maybe TYG.
Tbh I haven't analyzed those people yet. I should reread their posts...
Once again, a nice list of 4 townspeople. His buddy YS, who had done less than nothing at that point, doesn't get a mention. His other buddy Zwiebel, who has made about 15 posts, almost all of them only attacking Dan, doesn't get a mention.
When it becomes clear that the wagons for today are Leone, Dan and TYG, it has been a good day for maf. PAF slowly fades into the background and he even attempts the unvote to make sure he's not part of any of these mislynches. It's only when people once again call him out for it (oh noes, my town cred!) when he chooses the biggest wagon, even though he had been on the Dan wagon for the greatest part of the day.
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