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Re: Mafia: Day 4 - Town of Memes
Reply #1451 - 08/17/16 at 14:42:23

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:33:

Zoran's 1397/1399: You say PAF/Michele scum team impossible, I don't think that's true. It's definitely still a very strong possibility imo.

Current thoughts:
Michele is scum. Scumbuddy is most likely PAF or TvK. Timur and Racer are also possible scumbuddies, but lesser probability than PAF/TvK.

I will look into that once more, going through old posts yet again.

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Reply #1452 - 08/17/16 at 14:42:59

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:33:

Zoran's 1397/1399: You say PAF/Michele scum team impossible, I don't think that's true. It's definitely still a very strong possibility imo.

Why do you think that? Mind refuting his arguments instead of just saying “I disagree”?

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:33:

Current thoughts:
Michele is scum. Scumbuddy is most likely PAF or TvK. Timur and Racer are also possible scumbuddies, but lesser probability than PAF/TvK.

That’s not going to win us the game. You’re scumreading too many players. With only 1 mislynch, how do you plan on winning?

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Reply #1454 - 08/17/16 at 14:50:44

no control wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:52:

How do others feel, should doctor role claim?

Not yet...too hard of a claim to verify anyway (person doesn't know if they were saved). What if someone counterclaims? We need to figure out all the ramifications before deciding on this.

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johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:33:

Zoran's 1397/1399: You say PAF/Michele scum team impossible, I don't think that's true. It's definitely still a very strong possibility imo.

Why do you think that? Mind refuting his arguments instead of just saying “I disagree”?

He posted your interactions, and I don't interpret them the same way he does. Also, looking at it independently, PAF's posting on his own (regardless of interactions with you) and his voting history is horrendous. Since he seems the most scummy to me (after you, of course), I think you two could very probably be m/m, and I just don't want Zoran to discount the possibility yet.

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johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:33:

Current thoughts:
Michele is scum. Scumbuddy is most likely PAF or TvK. Timur and Racer are also possible scumbuddies, but lesser probability than PAF/TvK.

That’s not going to win us the game. You’re scumreading too many players. With only 1 mislynch, how do you plan on winning?

I think it's PAF/TvK, personally. That would allow for 1 mislynch. However, others feel very strongly about Timur it seems, and I'm willing to hear those arguments in case it changes my mind. Racer is kinda an afterthought, extremely low probability that I'm willing to throw him off the list.

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Reply #1455 - 08/17/16 at 14:51:04

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:48:08:

no control wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:52:

How do others feel, should doctor role claim?

I don’t know about that. I feel like it’s a good idea to do so, since it clears 2 people, and the Doc is very, very, VERY unlikely to be able to save anybody else. Maybe he should.

Then again, what if the Doc and the save were 2 cleared people? Like, if the save was TYG, I think outing that information is pointless. However unlikely it may be to get another save, if it’s actually gotten, that would kind of win us the game. So over useless information, a very small chance at winning the game seems better.

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Reply #1457 - 08/17/16 at 14:54:46

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:50:44:

no control wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:52:

How do others feel, should doctor role claim?

Not yet...too hard of a claim to verify anyway (person doesn't know if they were saved). What if someone counterclaims? We need to figure out all the ramifications before deciding on this.

A counterclaim would out a Mafia… isn’t that perfect? Even if you mislynch once, next time you just have to go for the other guy who claimed Doctor… it can only be Mafia.

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ALAKTORN wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:42:59:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:33:

Zoran's 1397/1399: You say PAF/Michele scum team impossible, I don't think that's true. It's definitely still a very strong possibility imo.

Why do you think that? Mind refuting his arguments instead of just saying “I disagree”?

He posted your interactions, and I don't interpret them the same way he does. Also, looking at it independently, PAF's posting on his own (regardless of interactions with you) and his voting history is horrendous. Since he seems the most scummy to me (after you, of course), I think you two could very probably be m/m, and I just don't want Zoran to discount the possibility yet.

Well then, how do you interpret them? No need to withhold information.

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ALAKTORN wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:42:59:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:33:

Current thoughts:
Michele is scum. Scumbuddy is most likely PAF or TvK. Timur and Racer are also possible scumbuddies, but lesser probability than PAF/TvK.

That’s not going to win us the game. You’re scumreading too many players. With only 1 mislynch, how do you plan on winning?

I think it's PAF/TvK, personally. That would allow for 1 mislynch. However, others feel very strongly about Timur it seems, and I'm willing to hear those arguments in case it changes my mind. Racer is kinda an afterthought, extremely low probability that I'm willing to throw him off the list.

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I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. You want us to lynch ALAK (1 mislynch), then go after PAF and then go after TvK? And you think that wins us the game?

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Reply #1458 - 08/17/16 at 14:56:41

Zwiebel wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:36:32:

You say there is NO WAY that Kyle and me are Town. Then you proceed to say you want to vote either PAF or me today.

If you're 100% sure I'm Maf, then I don't see why you should even consider any other lynch than me...I mean, you yourself say that it's possible PAF is Town, yet you seem to be 100% sure I'm Maf. You should be pushing harder on my lynch, you should provide analysis on me. That would be what a Town TvK would be doing right now. The fact you even already consider a different lynch to me, not even halfway through the day, just makes me even more confident.

I have to make sure that both of you get lynched, as I have said before. I don't care which one of you goes first, as long as one maf flip can convince the rest of town that the other is maf as well. I've said countless times that I think you and PAF are the maf team, so you're just misrep me here. Which is what I would expect a Maf Zwiebel to be doing at this point.

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Re: Mafia: Day 4 - Town of Memes
Reply #1459 - 08/17/16 at 14:57:40

Zwiebel wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:53:23:

no control wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:52:

How do others feel, should doctor role claim?

I don't think he should, UNLESS we are close to lynch the person he knows is Town or himself. I don't think we can afford another mislynch. If that's not the case, then I think he should not.

This is also a legitimate sentiment.

Honestly even with the stupid details Timur is just playing better than most other people. I can’t bring myself to think he’s Mafia. OK maybe that’s a stretch with all the sheeping and low posting he’s done, but his D4 so far is really strong imo.

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Reply #1461 - 08/17/16 at 15:03:52

I see several people think there are significant odds of me being maf... might as well prevent people from going the wrong way. I haven't defended myself much since D1 anyway.

TvK wrote on 08/17/16 at 09:49:45:

Why do you like his vote? He had his vote on Zwiebel yesterday, with an incredibly cheap reason (pressure) only to switch back to a town member? Now he starts the day the same way as he did yesterday. And he didn't even seem upset or anything he just said "OMG that EoD", while questioning ALAK's motives. Still Zwiebel "seems the most suspicious". Apparently, his big post about Kyle now is something made by a manipulation expert.

Note once again how he still holds the door open to switch his vote. Acutally, note that throughout the game, PAF HAS NEVER MADE A FIRM STANCE ON EVERYBODY. Which is exactly what I would expect a noob mafia member to do to survive. And look at this, it's even working.

Look for example at his Kyle vote at the end of D2:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/14/16 at 16:03:58:

Definitely not voting YS, that would mean making a similar mistake as D1. But please, pay attention to my last post about him, is he doing it on purpose?
Okay, kyle seems a bit scummier now; besides, maybe a decent maf player could just pbring to attention my D1 EoD which sucked...
You know what...
[vote]Kyle[/vote]
I just feel more comfortable voting someone like him. I mean TYG feels like one of the worse players here (although not as much as YS), maybe he just wasn't paying attention or something. I feel like he could help town as well.
May luck be with me this time.
Going to sleep now.

He's clearly defending YS and he can't even convince himself that he should be finding Kyle scummy. He is clearly making a choice between Kyle and YS (and TYG), so how can he justify going for Kyle after YS flipped scum? He clearly didn't think they were buddies here.

Okay... you're suspicious of my constant uncertainty. Why are you convinced this is noob maf? There's an experienced maf, wouldn't that guy prevent me from bringing attention with my votes? I'm just trying to think all the time, what's wrong with changing opinion? This applies to every "180 degree turn" I did.
I have to admit some votes weren't a good idea (mostly Leone vote D1). Didn't I say those (done on D1 and D2 Eods) were thought of in a hurry? This is my only excuse but really.... what's the problem?

TvK wrote on 08/17/16 at 09:49:45:

Look for example at his Kyle vote at the end of D2:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/14/16 at 16:03:58:

Definitely not voting YS, that would mean making a similar mistake as D1. But please, pay attention to my last post about him, is he doing it on purpose?
Okay, kyle seems a bit scummier now; besides, maybe a decent maf player could just pbring to attention my D1 EoD which sucked...
You know what...
[vote]Kyle[/vote]
I just feel more comfortable voting someone like him. I mean TYG feels like one of the worse players here (although not as much as YS), maybe he just wasn't paying attention or something. I feel like he could help town as well.
May luck be with me this time.
Going to sleep now.

He's clearly defending YS and he can't even convince himself that he should be finding Kyle scummy. He is clearly making a choice between Kyle and YS (and TYG), so how can he justify going for Kyle after YS flipped scum? He clearly didn't think they were buddies here.

I'm not sure if I get this... I was undecided between Kyle and TYG; I had long decided that I wouldn't vote YS because I was fooled my maf's elaborate plan involving YS acting like previous games as noob town.

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TvK wrote on 08/14/16 at 05:14:44:

What are you trying to say here? You thought of YS as a maf member because of my post? But part of my post calling YS maf made you think I was maf? Does that mean you really believe that YS and I are buddies and I'm bussing him hard here? Or do you think there HAS to be one of us maf?

There are more reason for me to think ur maf, I've explained this before. But yeah, you/YS t/t seems really unlikely; but m/m seems also unlikely considering that means you bussed hard...

Actually, his last post made me feel better about him, not even knowing when day ends and such... would his maf teammates not keep him informed? He seems just too noob.

giving more Towncred to TvK if YS flips Maf. AND saying he feels better about YS now. This almost feels to easy to be true LOL

Back then I didn't consider the chance of such plan involving YS so yeah... seemed like too much for TvK.
About me feeling better about YS, I already explained.
Yes, it would indeed be too easy to be true. It isn't true Roll Eyes

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Reply #1462 - 08/17/16 at 15:04:35

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:54:46:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:50:44:

no control wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:52:

How do others feel, should doctor role claim?

Not yet...too hard of a claim to verify anyway (person doesn't know if they were saved). What if someone counterclaims? We need to figure out all the ramifications before deciding on this.

A counterclaim would out a Mafia… isn’t that perfect? Even if you mislynch once, next time you just have to go for the other guy who claimed Doctor… it can only be Mafia.

A counterclaim only outs a mafia at the cost of our remaining mislynch. That seems to warrant some caution.

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johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:33:

Zoran's 1397/1399: You say PAF/Michele scum team impossible, I don't think that's true. It's definitely still a very strong possibility imo.

Why do you think that? Mind refuting his arguments instead of just saying “I disagree”?

He posted your interactions, and I don't interpret them the same way he does. Also, looking at it independently, PAF's posting on his own (regardless of interactions with you) and his voting history is horrendous. Since he seems the most scummy to me (after you, of course), I think you two could very probably be m/m, and I just don't want Zoran to discount the possibility yet.

Well then, how do you interpret them? No need to withhold information.

I interpret them as possible m/m interaction, what more are you looking for?

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ALAKTORN wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:42:59:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:40:33:

Current thoughts:
Michele is scum. Scumbuddy is most likely PAF or TvK. Timur and Racer are also possible scumbuddies, but lesser probability than PAF/TvK.

That’s not going to win us the game. You’re scumreading too many players. With only 1 mislynch, how do you plan on winning?

I think it's PAF/TvK, personally. That would allow for 1 mislynch. However, others feel very strongly about Timur it seems, and I'm willing to hear those arguments in case it changes my mind. Racer is kinda an afterthought, extremely low probability that I'm willing to throw him off the list.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. You want us to lynch ALAK (1 mislynch), then go after PAF and then go after TvK? And you think that wins us the game?

No, I want to lynch you (1 maf), then go for PAF or TvK since those are your 2 most likely scumbuddies in my eyes. PAF higher on that list, he's my primary choice at the moment. And no, that's not going to win *you* the game, but it'll win the game for me and the rest of the town.

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Reply #1463 - 08/17/16 at 15:04:58

TvK wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:56:41:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:36:32:

You say there is NO WAY that Kyle and me are Town. Then you proceed to say you want to vote either PAF or me today.

If you're 100% sure I'm Maf, then I don't see why you should even consider any other lynch than me...I mean, you yourself say that it's possible PAF is Town, yet you seem to be 100% sure I'm Maf. You should be pushing harder on my lynch, you should provide analysis on me. That would be what a Town TvK would be doing right now. The fact you even already consider a different lynch to me, not even halfway through the day, just makes me even more confident.

I have to make sure that both of you get lynched, as I have said before. I don't care which one of you goes first, as long as one maf flip can convince the rest of town that the other is maf as well. I've said countless times that I think you and PAF are the maf team, so you're just misrep me here. Which is what I would expect a Maf Zwiebel to be doing at this point.

Just to be sure, how high is the probability of me being Maf for you? How high is the probability of PAF being Maf for you?

If I'm 100%, and PAF is lower, then I would expect you pressing VERY hard on my lynch, and figure out PAF D5. Not just saying you don't care who gets lynched today.

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Reply #1464 - 08/17/16 at 15:06:17

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:50:44:

I think it's PAF/TvK, personally. That would allow for 1 mislynch. However, others feel very strongly about Timur it seems, and I'm willing to hear those arguments in case it changes my mind. Racer is kinda an afterthought, extremely low probability that I'm willing to throw him off the list.

What do you think of ALAK constantly saying that Zwiebel is playing the best out of anyone, and that he's always making the most sense? Is he, according to you, trying to make us believe Zwiebel is his buddy, or does it make the chance of an ALAK/Zwiebel team bigger?

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Reply #1465 - 08/17/16 at 15:07:53

TvK wrote on 08/17/16 at 15:06:17:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/17/16 at 14:50:44:

I think it's PAF/TvK, personally. That would allow for 1 mislynch. However, others feel very strongly about Timur it seems, and I'm willing to hear those arguments in case it changes my mind. Racer is kinda an afterthought, extremely low probability that I'm willing to throw him off the list.

What do you think of ALAK constantly saying that Zwiebel is playing the best out of anyone, and that he's always making the most sense? Is he, according to you, trying to make us believe Zwiebel is his buddy, or does it make the chance of an ALAK/Zwiebel team bigger?

It doesn't make the chance of that scum team any bigger imo. It's *too* obvious to be m/m, if you ask me.

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Reply #1466 - 08/17/16 at 15:13:54

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