ALAKTORN wrote on 08/16/16 at 14:51:26:


You forget about TvK in your scenario. He's just as well in this game, if not even better than us. He could've been the "top player behind the SG kill", too...unless you think he's cleared Town?On top of that, look at my post #1232(page50). I don't think the SG argument works anymore, I think it might just as well have been kyle to come up with this kill.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/16/16 at 15:31:38:


Wait, with "you and Zwiebel", did you mean Alaktorn and me or TvK and me?

@TvK Okay, I see where you're coming from I guess.  I still thought I explained my John vote well and it made a lot of sense to me anyway. I don't think I put you at the top of my read list exactly,  my list really wasn't in any particular order at all. I was just surprised also at the possibility of you being maf too since I had completely ruled it out. My first reads on you and Dan were pretty much a shit post because I still had no reads and I knew if I didn't post at least one thing I'd be dead that day for sure. But yeah I see how those connected look bad

no control wrote on 08/16/16 at 15:26:36:

Sorry, still catching up while trying to make dinner, haven't really been reading the current page yet.

Kyle: most likely maf out of everyone
TvK: possibly maf, regardless of Kyle's flip
Timur: possibly maf, but only with Kyle (I think Timur/Michele m/m is too obvious to be true)
Michele: town, *if* Kyle is maf (I think this is more likely than the reverse scenario)
PAF/Racer: both also town, *if* Kyle is maf - both are also possible Michele scumbuddies
Zoran/Lewis: both cleared town imo
John: 100% town (you did say *each person* )

Zwiebel wrote on 08/16/16 at 14:27:47:


and please answer this tyg

Zwiebel wrote on 08/16/16 at 15:52:25:

If so why would you lynch TvK? Shouldn’t you go in order?

Actually idk, John has a really good post on why alak and kyle are t/m and I definitely think Alak is town. I think I might vote Kyle and wait on ypu and TvK till d4?

1st i would like to say what i think about John.

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/12/16 at 14:38:52:


This post and some making fun of YS D2 + ended the vote on YS gives me a town lean on John. There was no need for maf to point out that on YS D1. Also had some disagreements with Tvk so i'm pretty sure they are not m/m.

As for the vote let me explain my logic. I know all of you think voting top maf suspect is best, i have a different view. Let me explain.

All evidence points to Tvk/Kyle, i agree with TYG on most of his posts, Kyle is nowhere to be found, Tvk game has been different and he did not explain some stuff well. All of that with the rest of points that were made on them...looks pretty easy and i hope it is.

However in case of Zwiebel vs Kyle i think Zwiebel is a better vote.  In case of Tvk vs Zwiebel i would have gone for Tvk, but Kyle vote is dangerous.

We have 4 scenarios with Kyle vs Zwiebel vote:

1. vote Kyle - flips maf - Everything is clear, we are going for Tvk next.

2. vote Kyle - flips town - Zwiebel is maf, but other then that nothing is clear. Everyone can be maf (except me and TYG i guess). This is a very very dangerous situation for town and i think if Kyle flips town, there is a big chance town will lose his game.

3. vote Zwiebel - flips town - Kyle and Tvk are next. Even if kyle flips town we still have 1 shot and that would be PAF if you ask me based on Tvk/John not being m/m.

4. Zwiebel flips maf - i honestly don't know who his partner would be, but we would have 1 more day then in case #2 to find him. Also it would clear Kyle as i believe Kyle and Zwiebel are not m/m (wrote about it earlier).

I don't think John is maf, but if he is, he is not mafia with Tvk. Combination with Zwiebel would be possible.

Because of all this i will stay on Zwiebel.

This is it from me today, going to bed. I think i'm top 2 choice for mafia tonight, so gl if i don't make it.

@Zoran: And what if both Kyle and Timur are Town? Kyle flipping Town might not tell us much about the other 2 Mafia, but we can think about that on D4 and subsequent days. You say after Timur flips Town, we should go after Kyle… well if Kyle is Mafia why the hell not vote him now?

I don’t think what you’re saying makes sense.

@alak if Zwiebel flips town tvk is maf

So I'm gonna address some of Zweibels points as best i can on mobile.

The SG connection you made: why on earth would I be dumb enough as maf to lynch someone I praised during the day? If anything, it would have made Racer and I (since we were the mains ones to mention him) look scummy. Racer even more so, since he addressed it with his very first post of D2. I would expect the mafia to hold onto this detail until later to use it for a mislynch, and lo-and-behold...

Next you bring up YS saying I'm "townie is for sure". First of all, why aren't people calling this TMIing? Second (and this goes for all the "YS slipped for Kyle" theories out there) why aren't people even discussing that this could be a coached play? It's not hard to execute, even for YS. But let's move on...

Next up is the "hasn't made any slips which looks bad for him" post. You are absolutely trying to make something out of nothing. The way I'm reading this is "he hasn't slipped his faction". That's it.

You mention something about me thinking ALAK was bussing YS to set up a mislynch the next day. From here you say ALAK is town, which now makes me 100% sure (when paired with one of his earlier D3 posts and the fact that I highly doubt he would bus 2 mafia members) you and ALAK are t/m.

The next 2 comments you make are your absolute worst. You're totally misconstruing my words. I was undecided on a YS vs TYG lynch, so I mention it and why I'm even considering TYG, before deciding that since my current theory is an ALAK/YS bus play, if vote YS (also puts on the pressure on him which I even mention later, but you conviently left out). But that's not as bad as the 2nd comment of the 2, where you literally just make something up because it sounds good for you. You say I couldn't care less which one gets lynched, uh no. I do care which one gets lynch, I'm fucking town I want to lynch the mafia. Or do you not understand how town works? At the time I said either ones a good lynch because they both looked scummy, but as time would pass, YS looked scummier and this kept my vote. Think either is a good lynch =/= I don't care. You twisting my words for you benefit is actually why you're getting my vote.

Zweibels post about me just screams "shit, he's not getting votes, guess I gotta put something out there to get the mislynch". And for that:
[vote]Zweibel[/vote]

I see we're basically at 4-4. John, do you know who you'll vote?

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/16/16 at 17:39:19:

That was aimed at TYG.