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Re: Mafia: Day 3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1275 - 08/16/16 at 14:23:44

LewisRichards wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:22:07:

Hey, on my lunch break. I would like to point out that I am now 100% certain there's a maf between TvK and Zwiebel.

If the hypothetical maf member outside of this group wanted to on n2 he could have easily killed one making the other look really bad, especially since there definitely wouldn't have been a doctor on them. And if one of them is maf they wouldn't kill the other either to keep them around to try and mislynch them, or even more likely use the other person to hide behind to make the lynch less guaranteed to force it on someone outside of these two.

I think today's lynch should definitely be one of these two, I can't stress this enough.

Start with this. Your response had nothing to actually do with this post other than saying this is just a read. Do you think this is logical or not? Seems like there's at least one maf in you and Zwiebel for sure.

Also why do you currently seem to think PAF is more scummy than Zwiebel?

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Reply #1277 - 08/16/16 at 14:27:09

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/16/16 at 04:29:04:

This Kyle/John interaction is very interesting. On one hand John's argument makes sense. On the other hand, I can't exclude the chance that he made that vote in order to clear himself with this argument. First off, I expect both maf to bus on YS. But most importantly, the argument seems pre-fabricated. Once he sees Kyle putting him on his scumlist, he writes all of that and then repeats it 2 or 3 times. That's suspicious if you ask me.

I see a few people talking about the odds of Timur/ALAK m/m. I agree they 're low, very low. I recall ALAK making a casual post shortly after Timur's first D1 posts, something like "ayy Timur mah nigga, keep up the good work". If they were m/m they wouldn't risk posting something like that which barely contributes to the game.

So you agree with what I say, but don't trust me because I had to reiterate it? I was trying to make Kyle understand what I was saying, hence why I kept trying.

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CONCLUSION:

Racer is town 99% - this is based on how he was the 1st one in the game to ask YS a question and how he was on his maf read in D1 together with confirmed townies. He comes 1% short based on his horrific voting history.

TYG is town 100% (as i stated before) - Under fire from YS from the very beginning (when there was no heat on YS) until the very end (desperate attempt to save himself).

Alak is town 100% - despite bad D1 and Bad voting history, he is the person who made that push for YS after me. I have also talked about his connection to TYG where i believe they are on the same team. His attack on YS was way to early for bussing attempt.

As for who is maf, it is still up in the air. Make your conclusion townies...

I still don't think Michele is cleared unless Kyle flips maf. The arguments in favor of Kyle being scum are more convincing to me, so at this point I am definitely planning to place my vote on Kyle, though I don't want to do it right now since there are 3 votes on him currently. I wanted to lynch either Kyle or Michele today, and clearly there's no chance of Michele lynch happening.

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Reply #1279 - 08/16/16 at 14:32:40

LewisRichards wrote on 08/16/16 at 14:23:44:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:22:07:

Hey, on my lunch break. I would like to point out that I am now 100% certain there's a maf between TvK and Zwiebel.

If the hypothetical maf member outside of this group wanted to on n2 he could have easily killed one making the other look really bad, especially since there definitely wouldn't have been a doctor on them. And if one of them is maf they wouldn't kill the other either to keep them around to try and mislynch them, or even more likely use the other person to hide behind to make the lynch less guaranteed to force it on someone outside of these two.

I think today's lynch should definitely be one of these two, I can't stress this enough.

Start with this. Your response had nothing to actually do with this post other than saying this is just a read. Do you think this is logical or not? Seems like there's at least one maf in you and Zwiebel for sure.

Also why do you currently seem to think PAF is more scummy than Zwiebel?

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here (neither did ALAKTORN), but I couldn't have seen any other outcome than Dan dying last night. He was an almost universal townread. Why would maf go for me (YS flipping meant that ALAK could push on his theory of YS-Kyle-me) or Zwiebel, who was being attacked by Zoran? Could you elaborate on this a bit more, because I'm still not sure if I even answered your post.

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Reply #1280 - 08/16/16 at 14:34:26

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 17:21:03:

So, I couldn't disagree more with John saying the wagon on me is clean. I think TvK pointed this out earlier, but between me and Leone it doesn't matter who's lynched still a win for mafia and probably even looks better to vote for me and get the 2nd wagon going. I saw John say these wagonomics what looked like a few times to me, and sure they work unless you consider the possibility that I'm town... I mean seriously come on.

Another thought I've had is if I'm mislynched who will look the worst? Probably the person who pressured me the most. But... I disagree, maf won't want to look bad so they'll probably support the wagon on me but avoid the interactions and pressuring me. Right now if I remember correctly, 6 people meet this criteria:

Racer
PAF
YS
John
Zwiebel
Kyle

PAF: Sort of been following and going back and forth with opinions... seems to be easily influenced. Wouldn't be surprised if he was town even with this behavior, this is his first game I think and he seems to be trying to help town imo although I don't like the way he defends pressure, one of his last posts it also felt like he needed to ensure us that he was town.

Conclusion: Too soon to tell, could go either way.

Racer: I actually think he's trying hard and trying to make his own reads also, he may look scummy from wagon stuff but I think his votes were genuine.

Conclusion: town read

YS: As usual... all over the place, and being a huge follower for wagons with bad logic. I know I've pretty much played the same way this game and I'm sorry but YS has contridicted himself and even called me "fluffgun" despite his own horrendous play.

Conclusion: Decent chance he could be mafia but it could also just be his usual sloppy play.

John: The one who came up with the flawed wagonomics... possibly to defend Zwiebel from the top player mafia member????

Conclusion: Insisted on flawed wagonomics, pretty bad... seriously I think there's a pretty good chance he could be maf

Zwiebel: The only person here that seems to be in lists of top players and also on my list. For a top player that's very suspicious of me don't you think he would try and interact with me??

Conclusion: Very large maf read

Kyle: Doing the same as the rest and laying back saying my play is poor and I look scummy but not interacting with me in the slightest. I expect better play from Kyle if he's town

Conclusion: maf read

Overall conclusion: I'm abandoning my thoughts on TvK and Dan, cleared my head didn't focus on the pressure they gave me and yeah I think their pressure on me was clean and they pressured me too much to be maf imo. Even just out of these 6 people, I think there could be 3 maf.

TvK can I get your full thoughts on this post? You seemed to just call these weak random reads and proceed to vote me later on.

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Reply #1281 - 08/16/16 at 14:38:33

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/16/16 at 06:47:39:

Good posts Zoran. By the way, I just remembered Yoshistar could’ve jumped in and lynched himself at EoD2 to cut time short… it was only 13 minutes but still, let’s try to avoid that.

You think he would have known when EoD was? Grin

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ALAKTORN wrote on 08/16/16 at 06:47:39:

Good posts Zoran. By the way, I just remembered Yoshistar could’ve jumped in and lynched himself at EoD2 to cut time short… it was only 13 minutes but still, let’s try to avoid that.

What are your thoughts? Are YSs interactions further confirming your suspicions?

Yes. I want to see Kyle lynched and if he flips Town re-evaluate the game on D4.

I hope that includes a re-evaluation of yourself, seeing as you've led the wagon on him twice now.

TvK wrote on 08/16/16 at 07:51:19:

Looking at connections between people, I think we can scratch a couple of couples who definitely won't be scum together. I'm talking about for example John/ALAK, Kyle/ALAK, John/Zwiebel and PAF/Racer. ALAK/Racer also seems unlikely at this point. I'm going to look for more connections after dinner.

TvK, you say none of these are likely to be m/m in your opinion. Can you say for each pair whether you think they are t/t or m/t at this point?

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Reply #1283 - 08/16/16 at 14:39:52

1 hour before I sleep. I'll most likely vote on Kyle; I won't risk sudden vote change this time unless I get convincing arguments.
But Kyle is still at 2 from majority. I don't want the day to end early. So maybe someone who stays until EoD could unvote. Or maybe I could just stay at unvote.

...Maybe I'm thinking too much about it. Would the maf really risk ending the day early (assuming Kyle is town which I doubt) to get heat D4? please

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no control Legend Offline 6571 days karting Croatia,Zagreb Gender:	Re: Mafia: Day 3 - Town of Memes Reply #1284 - 08/16/16 at 14:41:25 Also PAF, care to add anything to the discussion? You said you are not sure about John, maybe ask him some questions? I have to say, Kyle disappearing looks really bad for him.
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Reply #1285 - 08/16/16 at 14:45:59

LewisRichards wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:22:07:

Hey, on my lunch break. I would like to point out that I am now 100% certain there's a maf between TvK and Zwiebel.

If the hypothetical maf member outside of this group wanted to on n2 he could have easily killed one making the other look really bad, especially since there definitely wouldn't have been a doctor on them. And if one of them is maf they wouldn't kill the other either to keep them around to try and mislynch them, or even more likely use the other person to hide behind to make the lynch less guaranteed to force it on someone outside of these two.

I think today's lynch should definitely be one of these two, I can't stress this enough.

I don't think you're completely off base here in saying that there's a maf in either Timur/TvK, I think it's highly probable as well. But I'm not sure if the night kill is the right way of deducing it...yes if neither Timur nor TvK is maf, then killing one of them at night would cast suspicion, but it's not like either of them was (or is) cleared anyway. Killing Dan (almost everyone's biggest townread) is the smarter kill imo, then the maf can still watch us bicker like we're doing now.

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Reply #1286 - 08/16/16 at 14:46:34

LewisRichards wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:22:07:

Hey, on my lunch break. I would like to point out that I am now 100% certain there's a maf between TvK and Zwiebel.

If the hypothetical maf member outside of this group wanted to on n2 he could have easily killed one making the other look really bad, especially since there definitely wouldn't have been a doctor on them. And if one of them is maf they wouldn't kill the other either to keep them around to try and mislynch them, or even more likely use the other person to hide behind to make the lynch less guaranteed to force it on someone outside of these two.

I think today's lynch should definitely be one of these two, I can't stress this enough.

Okay, let's assume quick that you and Zwiebel are t/t. Out of the "top players that did the sportsguy kill" or whatever you two by far have raised the most suspicion and look the worst, but still neither of your lynches are guaranteed for the next day yet. So for our current great basically confirmed townies at this point (Dan, Zoran) they're both very likely to be protected by the doctor, lets say 50% chance on each since I don't see anyone else being protected. Now let's go back to you and Zwiebel, both of you seeming very suspicious at this point but both town in our hypothetical scenario. There is a 0% chance either of you will be protected by doctor and the kill makes the other one look even worse by being the only scummy "top player who does the sportsguy kill" So in this scenario where you're both town why does mafia not kill either of you?

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Reply #1287 - 08/16/16 at 14:47:33

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/16/16 at 14:39:52:

1 hour before I sleep. I'll most likely vote on Kyle; I won't risk sudden vote change this time unless I get convincing arguments.
But Kyle is still at 2 from majority. I don't want the day to end early. So maybe someone who stays until EoD could unvote.

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Reply #1288 - 08/16/16 at 14:49:37

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/16/16 at 14:27:09:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/16/16 at 04:29:04:

This Kyle/John interaction is very interesting. On one hand John's argument makes sense. On the other hand, I can't exclude the chance that he made that vote in order to clear himself with this argument. First off, I expect both maf to bus on YS. But most importantly, the argument seems pre-fabricated. Once he sees Kyle putting him on his scumlist, he writes all of that and then repeats it 2 or 3 times. That's suspicious if you ask me.

I see a few people talking about the odds of Timur/ALAK m/m. I agree they 're low, very low. I recall ALAK making a casual post shortly after Timur's first D1 posts, something like "ayy Timur mah nigga, keep up the good work". If they were m/m they wouldn't risk posting something like that which barely contributes to the game.

So you agree with what I say, but don't trust me because I had to reiterate it? I was trying to make Kyle understand what I was saying, hence why I kept trying.

I said it made sense, that doesn't necessarily mean I agreed with it. The thing is, you (or your sucmbuddy) could of thought of this beforehand and then make that single vote the unexpected way so that you could excuse yourself like you did.
I found the way you replied to Kyle the first time a bit suspicious, and the fact that you insisted on it only increased my suspicion. I may be overthinking, though...

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Re: Mafia: Day 3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1289 - 08/16/16 at 14:51:26

LewisRichards wrote on 08/16/16 at 14:46:34:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:22:07:

Hey, on my lunch break. I would like to point out that I am now 100% certain there's a maf between TvK and Zwiebel.

If the hypothetical maf member outside of this group wanted to on n2 he could have easily killed one making the other look really bad, especially since there definitely wouldn't have been a doctor on them. And if one of them is maf they wouldn't kill the other either to keep them around to try and mislynch them, or even more likely use the other person to hide behind to make the lynch less guaranteed to force it on someone outside of these two.

I think today's lynch should definitely be one of these two, I can't stress this enough.

Okay, let's assume quick that you and Zwiebel are t/t. Out of the "top players that did the sportsguy kill" or whatever you two by far have raised the most suspicion and look the worst, but still neither of your lynches are guaranteed for the next day yet. So for our current great basically confirmed townies at this point (Dan, Zoran) they're both very likely to be protected by the doctor, lets say 50% chance on each since I don't see anyone else being protected. Now let's go back to you and Zwiebel, both of you seeming very suspicious at this point but both town in our hypothetical scenario. There is a 0% chance either of you will be protected by doctor and the kill makes the other one look even worse by being the only scummy "top player who does the sportsguy kill" So in this scenario where you're both town why does mafia not kill either of you?

That’s an interesting point. On D2 we analyzed the SG kill, but on D3 we didn’t analyze Dan’s kill much I think. If the Mafia were scared of him and killed him because of that, maybe we should look at Dan’s reads from the end of D2.

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Reply #1291 - 08/16/16 at 14:54:13

LewisRichards wrote on 08/16/16 at 14:34:26:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 17:21:03:

So, I couldn't disagree more with John saying the wagon on me is clean. I think TvK pointed this out earlier, but between me and Leone it doesn't matter who's lynched still a win for mafia and probably even looks better to vote for me and get the 2nd wagon going. I saw John say these wagonomics what looked like a few times to me, and sure they work unless you consider the possibility that I'm town... I mean seriously come on.

Another thought I've had is if I'm mislynched who will look the worst? Probably the person who pressured me the most. But... I disagree, maf won't want to look bad so they'll probably support the wagon on me but avoid the interactions and pressuring me. Right now if I remember correctly, 6 people meet this criteria:

Racer
PAF
YS
John
Zwiebel
Kyle

PAF: Sort of been following and going back and forth with opinions... seems to be easily influenced. Wouldn't be surprised if he was town even with this behavior, this is his first game I think and he seems to be trying to help town imo although I don't like the way he defends pressure, one of his last posts it also felt like he needed to ensure us that he was town.

Conclusion: Too soon to tell, could go either way.

Racer: I actually think he's trying hard and trying to make his own reads also, he may look scummy from wagon stuff but I think his votes were genuine.

Conclusion: town read

YS: As usual... all over the place, and being a huge follower for wagons with bad logic. I know I've pretty much played the same way this game and I'm sorry but YS has contridicted himself and even called me "fluffgun" despite his own horrendous play.

Conclusion: Decent chance he could be mafia but it could also just be his usual sloppy play.

John: The one who came up with the flawed wagonomics... possibly to defend Zwiebel from the top player mafia member????

Conclusion: Insisted on flawed wagonomics, pretty bad... seriously I think there's a pretty good chance he could be maf

Zwiebel: The only person here that seems to be in lists of top players and also on my list. For a top player that's very suspicious of me don't you think he would try and interact with me??

Conclusion: Very large maf read

Kyle: Doing the same as the rest and laying back saying my play is poor and I look scummy but not interacting with me in the slightest. I expect better play from Kyle if he's town

Conclusion: maf read

Overall conclusion: I'm abandoning my thoughts on TvK and Dan, cleared my head didn't focus on the pressure they gave me and yeah I think their pressure on me was clean and they pressured me too much to be maf imo. Even just out of these 6 people, I think there could be 3 maf.

TvK can I get your full thoughts on this post? You seemed to just call these weak random reads and proceed to vote me later on.

Well, this is a D2 readslist, and we've had flips and other twists which makes me wonder why you still want me to comment on this. Anyway here goes:

First thing that sticks out is that your entire readslist is based on how the people behaved on or off your wagon. At that point, I had no way of telling your alignment (you actually were my biggest scumread), so it's really difficult to put myself in that place. It's strange that you make your reads list out of that state of mind, when you know most people cannot see you that way. I would much rather prefer a readslist that is backed up with quotes from within the game and from interactions with other people than yourself.

The last time you posted your reads, you said that Dan and I were your top scum reads. Now you list 6 new people and you call only one of them town. You say you're unsure about PAF and you're maf reading Kyle for the same reasons as others (including me) are mafreading you: because we expect better play.

Then you have two arguments against John: his flawed wagonomics post and his defense of Zwiebel, who you think is the mafia leader. What I would conclude from this is that Zwiebel is your #1 maf read and when Zwiebel would get lynched and flips scum, that would mean that your read of John is also correct. However, your vote for the day goes to John. This made me believe that you (and possibly your maf buddies) tried to spread some doubt about one of the stronger players, Zwiebel, and but that you weren't ready to go for him yet and then decided to go for John, the slightly easier target. You finish off by saying Dan and I probably aren't scum.

Then 26 minutes later you make a new readslist and suddenly I'm one of the top maf reads. The reasons for your new readslist were "holy shit, I didn't read this stuff close enough". PAF, who you were unsure about, disappears from your list (presumably because you already have 5 scumreads, but still, he doesn't get mentioned). You paraphrase something you think might be my reasoning (note the total absense of actual quotes) and suddenly I'm at the top of your list. Still, no vote on me follows, but you went for John.

This made me think that you were the loose cannon of the maf, who was just out to spread mayhem and whose job it was to plant seeds of doubt in townspeoples minds.

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Re: Mafia: Day 3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1292 - 08/16/16 at 14:54:35

TvK wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:35:14:

If we look at flips, this might be what happens:

If Kyle flips maf:

Would look more town: ALAK, PAF, Racer
Would be a good buddy condidate: Zwiebel, John

Can you explain why I'm a likely scumbuddy for Kyle?

TvK wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:35:14:

If Kyle flips town:

Would look more maf: ALAK, with PAF or Racer
Would look more town: nobody really. If you're the third maf, and town is wagoning on both your buddies, YS is always the best choice to go for.

So you agree with my second team here then (if Kyle is town):
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kyleb30 wrote on 08/15/16 at 18:57:54:

John, I'm curious to see where you think the state of the game is? Are you comfortable with the reads people are giving? Who do you think your scum team is now?

I see 2 possible scum teams atm:
Kyle + TvK/Timur (based on wagonomics, I'll say TvK is the more likely of these 2 to flip scum...he was on a mislynch wagon and not on a successful wagon, opposite for Timur)
Michele + PAF/Racer/TvK (TvK not being on one of the 2 primary D2 EoD wagons makes him much harder to figure out, so I have to add him here even though I think for this scum team, he is far less likely than PAF/Racer).

Zoran and Lewis are essentially cleared in my eyes. I also still maintain that Kyle/Michele are m/t, I can't envision a scenario where these 2 are the same alignment.

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Re: Mafia: Day 3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1293 - 08/16/16 at 14:56:39

LewisRichards wrote on 08/16/16 at 14:46:34:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:22:07:

Hey, on my lunch break. I would like to point out that I am now 100% certain there's a maf between TvK and Zwiebel.

If the hypothetical maf member outside of this group wanted to on n2 he could have easily killed one making the other look really bad, especially since there definitely wouldn't have been a doctor on them. And if one of them is maf they wouldn't kill the other either to keep them around to try and mislynch them, or even more likely use the other person to hide behind to make the lynch less guaranteed to force it on someone outside of these two.

I think today's lynch should definitely be one of these two, I can't stress this enough.

Okay, let's assume quick that you and Zwiebel are t/t. Out of the "top players that did the sportsguy kill" or whatever you two by far have raised the most suspicion and look the worst, but still neither of your lynches are guaranteed for the next day yet. So for our current great basically confirmed townies at this point (Dan, Zoran) they're both very likely to be protected by the doctor, lets say 50% chance on each since I don't see anyone else being protected. Now let's go back to you and Zwiebel, both of you seeming very suspicious at this point but both town in our hypothetical scenario. There is a 0% chance either of you will be protected by doctor and the kill makes the other one look even worse by being the only scummy "top player who does the sportsguy kill" So in this scenario where you're both town why does mafia not kill either of you?

Because maf have one strongman kill and it doesn't matter if Dan was going to be protected or not. I just can't see how not going for Dan would make sense for maf.

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Re: Mafia: Day 3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1294 - 08/16/16 at 15:01:30

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/16/16 at 14:54:35:

TvK wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:35:14:

If we look at flips, this might be what happens:

If Kyle flips maf:

Would look more town: ALAK, PAF, Racer
Would be a good buddy condidate: Zwiebel, John

Can you explain why I'm a likely scumbuddy for Kyle?

Theory is very outdated now, but I wasn't really convinced that you and Kyle were definitely on opposite sides if he were to flip maf. When I started this post, I attempted to put all of my 6 scum candidates in acategory. As you can see near the end of the post, I gave up on that and went for more certain connections.

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/16/16 at 14:54:35:

TvK wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:35:14:

If Kyle flips town:

Would look more maf: ALAK, with PAF or Racer
Would look more town: nobody really. If you're the third maf, and town is wagoning on both your buddies, YS is always the best choice to go for.

So you agree with my second team here then (if Kyle is town):
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/15/16 at 19:12:32:

kyleb30 wrote on 08/15/16 at 18:57:54:

John, I'm curious to see where you think the state of the game is? Are you comfortable with the reads people are giving? Who do you think your scum team is now?

I see 2 possible scum teams atm:
Kyle + TvK/Timur (based on wagonomics, I'll say TvK is the more likely of these 2 to flip scum...he was on a mislynch wagon and not on a successful wagon, opposite for Timur)
Michele + PAF/Racer/TvK (TvK not being on one of the 2 primary D2 EoD wagons makes him much harder to figure out, so I have to add him here even though I think for this scum team, he is far less likely than PAF/Racer).

Zoran and Lewis are essentially cleared in my eyes. I also still maintain that Kyle/Michele are m/t, I can't envision a scenario where these 2 are the same alignment.

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Once again, this theory is outdated, but yes at that time, I agreed with you.

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Re: Mafia: Day 3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1298 - 08/16/16 at 15:26:24

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/16/16 at 10:14:58:

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/16/16 at 10:12:02:

9 hours left and only 3 people have voted. What the fuck? This day has been so extremely dead and yet people don’t even agree on a lynch. What the fuck are you guys doing? Get talking, and get voting. Get voting Kyle.

It’s actually closer to 8 hours now.

Thanks YS! (PS we only have 3 hours left now!)

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/16/16 at 12:32:34:

About John... not sure. His interaction with Kyle this day made me think m/m was unlikely... but... how good/experienced his John? I haven't paid attention to that. How many games has he played in this MB?
If he's good, then I may consider him as maf as well, especially considering what I pointed out about him on reply #1180.

Just to answer this question: I've played maf IRL, though not for many years. I've never played on a forum, but I don't consider myself inexperienced overall. I've played a lot of Resistance since I last played a maf game, which has some similar principles but is more data driven I'd say (if anyone else agrees/disagrees with my assessment here, feel free to let PAF know about me).

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You could also do it just because you enjoyed hopping for no reason.

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