Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 15:20:51:


I don't think that there is any way that Kyle votes on Yoshistar out of the blue if the team is exactly Kyle/Yoshistar/TvK as Alaktorn suggested it could be earlier.  Considering that part of my read of Yoshistar being mafia is the strange interactions between him and TvK and the possibility that they are m/m, it would make Kyle look less suspicious, however I wouldn't clear him for it and I could certainly be wrong somewhere.

Why do you think your YS vote made me uneasy and jump on you instead? If TvK is part of the Mafia team, that could’ve been an advanced bussing he planned out to try and clear Kyle. It’s not working.

While I'm doing that, TYG and TvK what are your thoughts now on your respective final votes from D2?

Okay, I do realize I sort of fucked up again. I should just give myself more time to decide on my final vote.
I was REALLLY undecided between TYG and Kyle. Just one hour before I thought my vote was final, but then I got a gut feeling, and, after some hesitation, I really thought Kyle had better odds of being maf. Yet I still felt some regret before I slept.

But the thing is, I don't really see it as a problem, I didn't influence the lynch much anyway. Also, I'm not maf, I don't have to care about town cred, just decide the best choice even if it's nuts. Deal with it.

So here's an analysis of SG's posts. Many of them revolve around Racer attacking him and responding with D1 is a crapshoot (which I'm actually inclined to agree with) but useful after D1. A few specific things I found interesting tho:

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:49:53:


The most interesting thing here is SG's mention of PAF. The only connection I can make here is that on D2 Dan made some slight shots at PAF and look where he ended up.

The main portion of the day for SG was spent with a conversation between him and Racer. This actually gives me some town cred for Racer, because thinking back if Racer was maf and he was trying to set up a mislynch on SG, he wouldn't follow it up by killing him that night.

Other than the Racer attack on SG after, his EoD was basically him casting a vote on MKDS not know that was also Leone, which could be viewed as a townslip. My guess is this is how maf viewed it, thus leading to him being killed (coupled with the fact that he's a silent yet talented player)

What I learned from this: Almost nothing. The most noteworthy thing I got was a possible theory that links Dan and SG's night killings. PAF was mentioned in passing by both, but hardly pushed. Maybe this was a ploy to keep PAF fairly under the radar. although if this was truly the case, I would have expected them to go after Zoran. Although again, it is possible they viewed zoran's EoD as an empty threat. Also gives me a town lean on Racer.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/15/16 at 07:04:14:

If you wait out a whole day, Maf are more likely to slip.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:40:25:


This is a very interesting post. First I'll talk about the emotions behind it. When he started this post, PAF was clearly very worried that he light face some heat because of his vote on Kyle. But during this post, he seemed to realize that he should be appearing town, so he ends his post with "I don't care about town cred".

But also look at the content of post. Why is he so worried about his Kyle vote? He even says that he had been undecided between Kyle and TYG. I would argue that between the two of them, he even made the right choice. But still he seems really worried about his vote. Did he perhaps know that Yoshistar was mafia, but still chose the biggest wagon not on him at the time? If that is the case, I would have to conclude that TYG and Kyle probably look really good.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/15/16 at 09:36:06:

I know you want to play blitz, but now that TvK is here, shouldn't you question him if you think your YS/Kyle/TvK is true?

I see some people here saying that TYG looks much better after YS flipped maf... mind explaining it?
Until I get it, TYG is as scummy as Kyle. Not voting on either one.

Out of the good players alive, here's how I order them from most to least scummy:
Zwiebel > Tvk = Zoran > ALAK

ALAK seems to act like he naturally does, my opinion on him has changed much since D2 beginning. Already had a town lean on him before N2.
So, how I see it, there's one maf in {Zwiebel, TvK, Zoran}