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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #1077 - 08/15/16 at 06:51:37

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

Well first off Zoran, if I am your highest Mafia lean, then I don't understand why you're not voting or pushing for a wagon on me. As I said, I strongly believe we should lynch the highest probabke Mafia today, not something to get info. You say I am connected to YS, so why not lynch me over him? If I end up Mafia, you just lynch YS afterwards and get 2 Maf if you are correct. But you come out with your suspicions close before Eod. Where there's a low chance of actually something happening.

I already talked about this in my post #936.

You have your philosophy, i have mine. I don't think going full on your biggest maf lean is always the best play, i see this philosophy 1 dimensional. I accept the fact i might be wrong and being wrong on you is much, much worse for town then being wrong on YS. Let me explain:

If you flip town, i'm in danger since i'm 1 of 3 who went for you. Ys is still in the game and his nonsence posting continues to be big part of discussion.

If YS flipped town, everyone went for him which is better for me (and thus for town). We can focus on someone else...

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

Secondly, I pressured Dan hard and I gave you a Town lean, however these 2 things didn't correlate. I gave you a Town lean based on your behaviour that day. I didn't "just flip" opinions on you. I pointed out earlier that day that you posted something along the lines of "you don't post much but get info"(I'm too lazy to look it up, and EoD is soon). I called you out on that, and asked how you want to gather info if you don't post much. I said that's scummy and you might be maf. However, you posted a lot and my lean changed a lot later, and not "just like that". Or quote me and show me where I flip so hard.

Your 1st post in the game #290 and this is your conclusion:

Tl;dr : Likely Scum: Dan, maybe scum: Zoran, probably Town: Racer

You had half a day to come up with something and this is what you went for. So after half a day of thinking i'm top 3 on your scum radar. Then you exchange a few posts with me where we pretty much disagree and suddenly i'm town? On top of that you follow your top 3 maf reads in your final vote. Ok lets say you see me as town, you went for Dan on D2 as well and hard on D1, but you follow the vote he stared. If that is not a turn around i don't know what is.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

Also, I didn't just "not care" about the TvK post, I just thought there weren't good arguments in it. If you want to get back to that and tell me what's been his main points you agree on, fair enough. But don't just say "I don't care". I made my rebuttal, if you don't agree with it then write why.

This might be the case, you may think his arguments weren't good, i think they were. What is interesting and is my main point here is next. From your posts after #804 TYG accusation, it looks to me that in your eyes TYG didn't have good arguments either, but he got a very different response. Or do you think TYG arguments are better so he got a better response?

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

About me hiding behind Alaktorn, why would I do that? I thought he made fair points and added to that. You don't always have to come up stuff yourself, it is just as important to deal with information you get and think about the substance of it and either follow it or disband it. Making own points is great, following up on great points is just as good. I don't know what your problem with that is. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who agreed to the connections he posted.

Are you serious with this question? You can't imagine maf hiding behind someone else? Following the same person on probably the biggest issues of the day twice doesn't make you maf, but it is suspicious.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

But I'll give it to you, let's assume I am Mafia with YS. I just don't see how I would pressure him so hard and want him lynched? I could've just gone for TYG and gone onto that wagon, or set up an entirely different wagon on anyone, yet I would chose the easiest target, join on the wagon, and try to get him lynched hard?? Yea I could have tried to set up a mislynch chain with kyle/tvk, but why sacrifice a maf member for that? Also, if your theory is correct I assume you think kyle is town, so after we mislynch kyle the spotlight will be on me for sure, why would I risk all that?

YS was under heavy fire at this point. Everyone went on YS including maf. Tvk and Kyle did it as well. You can use the same argument for them. The fact if mafia went for YS as well. As for kyle lynch, you were against it, this was part of my point.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

If you want me to take your lean serious, then give me answers to these questions. I'd like to post more in depth, but I don't have much time left(because you posted so late..) so I'm gonna leave it at that

So 3 people write huge posts against you, and 2 of them you don't take serious? I don't like giving people too much advice about gameplay because it can be a bit arrogant, but dude, if someone attacks you in mafia game, you should take it seriously no matter what.

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Re: Mafia: Day3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1078 - 08/15/16 at 06:56:17

Unfortunately, I'll be gone for a few hours, so I can't make a detailed post until I get back.

I voted Kyle, because as my vote was on TYG, he looked much more townie, while Kyle seemed scummier. I was hesitant to vote YS, as I felt he could flip either way. Apparently he was Maf, which I am glad about, but I wasn't trying to save him.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #1080 - 08/15/16 at 06:59:37

Can I just say it’s really impressive that TvK figured out from the beginning that Dan’s and my D1 argument was t/t?

Going by wagonomics, I think the Mafia are either YS/Kyle/TvK or if there’s 1 Maf on TYG D1 YS/Kyle/Timur. I’ve found myself agreeing with Timur but he hasn’t done anything good in the game so far other than the YS vote D2, he’s also been sheeping and not posting a lot. I’ve started to Town read Zoran more as D2 progressed, now I think he’s Town.

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Re: Mafia: Day3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1081 - 08/15/16 at 07:04:14

Racer727 wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:58:55:

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:49:37:

kyleb30 wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:46:06:

ALAK you never answered my question last night. What's your theory when I turn up town?

There’s no theory if you turn up Town.

This is bad play, you should at least consider if Kyle is town.

I’ll consider it after he flips. I’d be honestly OK with the day ending right now. I prefer getting actual results and having actual information rather than digging a lot through posts and trying to read people. Note that my YS/Kyle/TvK theory came all from reading the topic as it happened, I never went back to re-read posts to come up with it.

If you guys feel strongly that Kyle is Town, then maybe you can try convincing me. I’m not going to try and convince myself of that.

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Re: Mafia: Day3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1082 - 08/15/16 at 07:06:53

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/15/16 at 07:04:14:

Racer727 wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:58:55:

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:49:37:

kyleb30 wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:46:06:

ALAK you never answered my question last night. What's your theory when I turn up town?

There’s no theory if you turn up Town.

This is bad play, you should at least consider if Kyle is town.

I’ll consider it after he flips. I’d be honestly OK with the day ending right now. I prefer getting actual results and having actual information rather than digging a lot through posts and trying to read people. Note that my YS/Kyle/TvK theory came all from reading the topic as it happened, I never went back to re-read posts to come up with it.

If you guys feel strongly that Kyle is Town, then maybe you can try convincing me. I’m not going to try and convince myself of that.

If you wait out a whole day, Maf are more likely to slip.

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Re: Mafia: Day3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1085 - 08/15/16 at 07:09:22

Racer727 wrote on 08/15/16 at 07:06:53:

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/15/16 at 07:04:14:

Racer727 wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:58:55:

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:49:37:

kyleb30 wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:46:06:

ALAK you never answered my question last night. What's your theory when I turn up town?

There’s no theory if you turn up Town.

This is bad play, you should at least consider if Kyle is town.

I’ll consider it after he flips. I’d be honestly OK with the day ending right now. I prefer getting actual results and having actual information rather than digging a lot through posts and trying to read people. Note that my YS/Kyle/TvK theory came all from reading the topic as it happened, I never went back to re-read posts to come up with it.

If you guys feel strongly that Kyle is Town, then maybe you can try convincing me. I’m not going to try and convince myself of that.

If you wait out a whole day, Maf are more likely to slip.

That’s true, but if you remember when I signed up, I wanted to play a blitz game. I just prefer faster games.

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Re: Mafia: Day3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1086 - 08/15/16 at 07:10:20

Ok lets sum up Tvk case. If he is maf his partner is most likely Kyle.

He pushed hard for townie lynch D1

He made sure everyone stays on leone eod1 when TYG counter wagon was forming (either because he wanted to save TYG or just make sure people stay on Leone)

As Dan mentioned, he was very kind to YS. He gave a reason, but we shouldn't disregard this.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:48:36:

I don't think Kyle's vote is too much to look at at this point, because in my eyes it felt quite genuine.

Look away from Kyle is what he tells us.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 06:59:01:

My current leans

TOWN
Dan
Zoran
ALAK
Zwiebel
NEUTRAL
Kyle
PAF
John
MAF
Racer
Yoshistar
TYG

I agree with Dan here, horrible town list, TMI. Notice that Klye is neutral.

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 10:02:22:

Leone wrote on 08/12/16 at 16:15:43:

Since ima likely die soon, I'll post my leans (see reasoning in my previous posts) :

Possible maf:
John
TYG
YS
SG (weird interaction above)

Probable Town:
TvK
ALAK
Dan

Neutral:
everyone else

Hopefully I'll have enough time to make a few more investigations before EOD, dinner rn.

The fact that nobody is picking up on my big posts about wagonomics and why I thnk John deserves more attention is a big red flag in my eyes.

YS and TYG under fire, trying to add another candidate to discussion?

TvK wrote on 08/13/16 at 11:43:13:

The most important thing today is that we catch at least one scum, and TYG is our best chance at doing so. TYG has been quiet mostly, but I do believe that we can work from wagonomics and interactions to uncover the rest of his scumbuddies.

Still going for TYG

Then comes a great post #759 from Dan everyone should read.

#761 - gives up at last?

In the end Tvk didn't post anything despite being online. YS and kyle were the choices, there was nothing to save? Also no Tvk at the start of D3.

In general everyone should check Dans posts on Tvk, Alak and Racer also made some good points about Kyle in D2. I will try to sum it up later.

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Re: Mafia: Day 2 - Town of Memes
Reply #1087 - 08/15/16 at 07:13:06

Let’s get them in a single post.

D1 wagons:

Shock wrote on 08/12/16 at 18:31:58:

Final Votes, Chronologically Listed

8 Leone - TvK (159), ALAKTORN (166), John (216), kyleb30 (360), TYG (491), Sporstugy (517), PAF (523), Racer (572)

4 TYG - Dan (440), no control (508), Leone (511), Zwiebel (550)

1 Dan - Yoshistar (175)

D2 wagons:

Shock wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:40:53:

Final Votes Chronologically Listed

5 Yoshistar - Kyle (750), Zwiebel (790), Dan (933), John (994), no control (1043)

3 Kyle - ALAKTORN (920), Racer (937), PAF (965)

1 John - TYG (823)
1 TYG - TvK (935)

1 Not voting - Yoshistar

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Re: Mafia: Day3 - Town of Memes
Reply #1088 - 08/15/16 at 07:19:54

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:02:33:

Interesting to note, when TYG was scum in Shock's first game, he mentioned a few of his scumbuddies in his first list of reads, and had them all listed as town with little to no explanation. disecting his reads post comes up with these 5 people he has listed as town:

ALAK (unsure)
Zwiebel (unsure)
PAF (slight town)
Racer (strong town)
Zoran (unsure)

I would wager a guess that at least 1 of TYG's scumbuddies is in this list of 5, maybe both.

No sign of Tvk or YS. Interesting that Zwiebel is here. Makes me think Kyle/zwiebel are not m/m.

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:16:35:

PAF's EoD set off alarms for me. I wanted to get some discussion about him today since most of it is centered thus far around TYG and John. To that note, I think TYG is also maf, as I feel that him refusing to put his list of reads up was more of him not wanting to say anything that would link his scumbuddies to him (such as him listing them as town reads like he did in Shock's game). Racer keeps oscillating for me. I like his scumhunting, and he's taking some big risks if he's mafia going after some power players, but when he gets some momentum going he turns defensive. It almost feels like he's doing just enough scumhunting for town points and then turns around and demands people clear him. More over, I'm not a fan of his attacks on SG. Seems like he was trying to attack a low hanging fruit. He's played with him twice now and should know that SG is silent, but a very strong player regardless of faction. As for John, I'll need to do some more research on him. I've been focusing more on these other guys, so I haven't spread my scope to cover him.

Leone wagon was justified imo. Couldn't get much out of him, and on the surface he seemed like he was hiding information. I actually considered the TYG wagon for a few minutes, it felt genuine and I was getting very slight doubts about Leone (some of his EOD posts were felt kinda townie but were just too little too late). I'm not sure what to make of the people that were on it, but for now I'd say it was a town driven wagon.

I just thought of this, imagine how much of a shitshow it would be if the mafia team is TYG, PAF, and Racer.

No word about Tvk or YS. Interesting how he tries to discredit Racer who attacked Tvk.

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:19:36:

YS over TYG? What are your thoughts on him, btw

Indicates that TYG should be over YS

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:27:46:

You're better off doing what ever you feel is best, not what others are saying is better. It sounds to me like you're just searching for the play that gives you better town standing, as is evident of you realizing the mistake of a no vote on D1. This is viewed as very scummy behavior (Racer can attest to this). So that's 2 strikes on you in 1 post.

So if you think the TYG counterwagon was run by mafia... who are the mafia that voted on TYG? I'll help you out: Dan, Zwiebel, Zoran and Leone were the ones that voted him.

Again no TvK or YS, Zwiebel in there.

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:44:05:

I'm baffled at ALAK's post. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that this is maf bussing maf, since maf!ALAK would notice maf!YS having such shitty posts. Thinking he's a lost cause, maf!ALAK busses his scumbuddy for free town points, while setting up a possible mislynch chain in the future.

Granted this all revolves around YS being maf, but so does his theory, so there's that.

Slowly accepting YS is done, trying to connect Alak with him

#741 from Alak is very good

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 12:12:35:

The only thing holding me back from voting for YS is my thoughts on TYG (well and skipping the middle man and going straight for you, but I'll need to collect a ton more evidence for that). TYG's hesitation on posting his reads left a terrible taste in my mouth, coupled with the lack of scumhunting today (he's just sitting back asking for questions) aren't helping his town case whatsoever. TYG has an interesting theory on Dan and TvK, but he gave up shortly after he posted it.

Ah, you know what, I want YS to feel the pressure, so...

[vote]Yoshistar[/vote]

Giving up on YS as Zwiebel mentioned a bit later?

kyleb30 wrote on 08/13/16 at 14:30:52:

On mobile, getting read to eat dinner but I'm responding to Onion real quick:

If YS flips maf, I'd be looking to ALAK next. I wouldn't put it past him to make that post about YS being scum to score some points with town while setting up mislyches as I said earlier. Plus ALAK made that post at the start of the day with him sounding concerned over the state of the game for town (a similar move he pulled off in Brett's game when he was maf). Beyond that, I have some reasons to actually think there's a connection between ALAK and Onion, as zwiebel was backing up ALAK hard. Seems like a desperate play, but I wouldn't put it past these guys to pursue.

In terms of town clears, while this doesn't confirm tyg by any means, I think it helps his case. I have a hard time picturing a world where tyg and YS are both maf.

Damn gotta run, I'll hopefully be able to address some more of this later tonight

Tying to push for alak and not clearing TYG in case YS is maf.

Definitely shows connections with YS and Tvk and not with Zwiebel. I highly doubt Zwiebel and Kyle are m/m.

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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - Town of Memes
Reply #1090 - 08/15/16 at 07:28:40

So here's an analysis of SG's posts. Many of them revolve around Racer attacking him and responding with D1 is a crapshoot (which I'm actually inclined to agree with) but useful after D1. A few specific things I found interesting tho:

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/11/16 at 12:49:53:

I don't think i have learned very much after reading through the thread. I'm leaning to toward town for DB and Racer, but that can change easily.

I voted for Alak early on without any info. I'm going to keep my vote on him for the time being.

PAF said "I went on a small bike ride. I do it around once a week during summer." This is strange to see in a mafia game.

The most interesting thing here is SG's mention of PAF. The only connection I can make here is that on D2 Dan made some slight shots at PAF and look where he ended up.

The main portion of the day for SG was spent with a conversation between him and Racer. This actually gives me some town cred for Racer, because thinking back if Racer was maf and he was trying to set up a mislynch on SG, he wouldn't follow it up by killing him that night.

Other than the Racer attack on SG after, his EoD was basically him casting a vote on MKDS not know that was also Leone, which could be viewed as a townslip. My guess is this is how maf viewed it, thus leading to him being killed (coupled with the fact that he's a silent yet talented player)

What I learned from this: Almost nothing. The most noteworthy thing I got was a possible theory that links Dan and SG's night killings. PAF was mentioned in passing by both, but hardly pushed. Maybe this was a ploy to keep PAF fairly under the radar. although if this was truly the case, I would have expected them to go after Zoran. Although again, it is possible they viewed zoran's EoD as an empty threat. Also gives me a town lean on Racer.

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Reply #1092 - 08/15/16 at 07:32:09

kyleb30 wrote on 08/15/16 at 07:28:40:

What I learned from this: Almost nothing. The most noteworthy thing I got was a possible theory that links Dan and SG's night killings. PAF was mentioned in passing by both, but hardly pushed. Maybe this was a ploy to keep PAF fairly under the radar. although if this was truly the case, I would have expected them to go after Zoran. Although again, it is possible they viewed zoran's EoD as an empty threat. Also gives me a town lean on Racer.

Trying hard to make PAF look like Mafia. Let’s lynch this.

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Reply #1093 - 08/15/16 at 07:37:24

Analyze YS posts, there is info there for sure.

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:30:04:

Ugh I send the post too early....

D1 was interesting in general, seeing how it ended up with Leone being VT, there's a possibility Daniel could be still scum, although I'm not confident about this, but seeing TYG not doing much good while I did mention before he did, but his reads are not good to me.
Mafia got very lucky with the cop kill N1, but idk.... SG wasn't active and idk what his intentions were with this, but it's really sad to lose a powerful role so early...

TYG looks the scummiest to me currently, unless he can explain this and make things more clear, my vote stays. Daniel a bit less scummier, but as I said before, I'm not so confident into this anymore, I yet have to get into more digging through to find the 3rd mafia member.

Reason why I wasn't so active is that my parents dragged me into Pokémon GO hunting which took a whole day and it's exhausting.... can't do much about that sadly....

But expect to see more activity from me D2, more content is what I'm aiming for.

Going full on Dan and TYG, big town points for TYG

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:39:44:

In what way does he feel mafia? Is he playing differently or is there something off?

I'm still leaning town for TvK, doing the usual thing and putting me on his scumradar. I'll be damned if he flips maf.

as i said either TMI or protecting image of the leader 50/50 on it.

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 07:55:55:

Can't say much about Zwiebel, seems to go with the flow, but I can't really tell if he's town or maf.
Kyle however is doing a pretty good job in hunting, he pointed out some things which is town behavior and I can say he's townie for sure.

Daniel and Racer have every rights to suspect TvK, it is interesting that they both go with the same target, I find that questionable.... m/m or m/t, will get back to this later on.

More on Dan and some on racer, looks like he really didn't like pressure on Tvk.

His read on Kyle is very interesting, so at this point sure town in YS eyes are Kyle and Tvk (TMI or protecting his buddies?). I don't think maf would allow this, but you never know with YS. MAf so far are Dan, Racer and Tyg. In case Kyle and TVk are TMI, Zwiebel approach is interesting, not giving any info on him.

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 08:07:02:

@Daniel

Hmmm fair enough, I thought he did contribute some, my bad.
But as far I can read he didn't made slips which looks bad for him, at least..... from what I can see.

Continues to go after tyg

Yoshistar™ wrote on 08/13/16 at 09:58:18:

It is kinda weird he did those things, somethings off about him.....

This is a comment about Tvk. Just before, Kyle at #694 kind of gave up on YS, is YS trying to distance himself from TvK?

I believe this might be a coached answer, it took him 1 hour to answer me

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no control wrote on 08/14/16 at 05:42:36:

What are your thoughts on Zwiebel and Tvk?

First of all, if they want to lynch me, then so be it. I've been playing bad and the only thing that could possibly save me is that TYG flips maf in this lynch instead of me.

Some interesting posts from Zwiebel, now he attacks me and so does TvK, if I had to give a percentage it would be 65% for Zwiebel and 40% for TvK. Yes now I suspect TvK once again lol
But this time he had some things different with his playing style, even though he says he was mostly defending himself, I can't be sure if that's town behavior, hence the chance of maf is nearly 50/50. And now he wants me dead, again.
Zwiebel is here and there, pops in and then out again, there's a chance he's chatting with other maf in the background and sets up a plan and blends in with the town, me and TYG are getting pressure from him too, I don't know where it will end, but he's ceryainly not cleared town to me.

Speaking of Lewis, I would put him at 85%, notable thing about his vote on John is that when he made his post with the reads, he wasn't sure what to think of John at the time, but at some point he gets on his scum radar and did he ever explained in details why? Do we need to ask him so that he's like "oh I need to explain this more"? This makes me feel more confident he's maf.

Question is what is the play here? Trying to protect Zwiebel by giving him bigger maf read out of nowhere? Or were they still hoping to save YS so making sure TvK doesn't look too scummy?

Will make 1 conclusion post about all i wrote on D3....

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Reply #1094 - 08/15/16 at 07:51:22

no control wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:51:37:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

Well first off Zoran, if I am your highest Mafia lean, then I don't understand why you're not voting or pushing for a wagon on me. As I said, I strongly believe we should lynch the highest probabke Mafia today, not something to get info. You say I am connected to YS, so why not lynch me over him? If I end up Mafia, you just lynch YS afterwards and get 2 Maf if you are correct. But you come out with your suspicions close before Eod. Where there's a low chance of actually something happening.

I already talked about this in my post #936.

You have your philosophy, i have mine. I don't think going full on your biggest maf lean is always the best play, i see this philosophy 1 dimensional. I accept the fact i might be wrong and being wrong on you is much, much worse for town then being wrong on YS. Let me explain:

If you flip town, i'm in danger since i'm 1 of 3 who went for you. Ys is still in the game and his nonsence posting continues to be big part of discussion.

If YS flipped town, everyone went for him which is better for me (and thus for town). We can focus on someone else...

In my mind that's a maf mindset to have, yeah you look bad if I flip Town, but if you're sure I'm maf it shouldn't matter? Even so, if you are Town and legit think I've been behaving scummy, then you should be able to defend yourself, even if I flip Town...so basically I understand, you wanted to lynch YS over me because it was better for you. Even though you thought I was more likely Maf than YS. And cause you think a mislynch on me would be far worse than YS(I agree on that part).

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

Secondly, I pressured Dan hard and I gave you a Town lean, however these 2 things didn't correlate. I gave you a Town lean based on your behaviour that day. I didn't "just flip" opinions on you. I pointed out earlier that day that you posted something along the lines of "you don't post much but get info"(I'm too lazy to look it up, and EoD is soon). I called you out on that, and asked how you want to gather info if you don't post much. I said that's scummy and you might be maf. However, you posted a lot and my lean changed a lot later, and not "just like that". Or quote me and show me where I flip so hard.

Your 1st post in the game #290 and this is your conclusion:

Tl;dr : Likely Scum: Dan, maybe scum: Zoran, probably Town: Racer

You had half a day to come up with something and this is what you went for. So after half a day of thinking i'm top 3 on your scum radar. Then you exchange a few posts with me where we pretty much disagree and suddenly i'm town? On top of that you follow your top 3 maf reads in your final vote. Ok lets say you see me as town, you went for Dan on D2 as well and hard on D1, but you follow the vote he stared. If that is not a turn around i don't know what is.

This is D1 we're talking about, you expect me to nail the whole team already? I thought you could be scum based on what I saw from you that far(which was not much), then I changed my lean based on what happened after it. Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean I have to think you are Maf? I don't know what one thing has to do with the other. I don't base my leans just on people agreeing or not agreeing with me.

And the D1 vote, it's not like there was much of a chance of anyone else but Leone or TYG getting lynched in the end, so I had to choose one of them. I thought TYG was more scummy than Leone, so I voted him. I already explained why I think lynching the guy you think is Mafia the strongest is the right play in most cases.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

Also, I didn't just "not care" about the TvK post, I just thought there weren't good arguments in it. If you want to get back to that and tell me what's been his main points you agree on, fair enough. But don't just say "I don't care". I made my rebuttal, if you don't agree with it then write why.

This might be the case, you may think his arguments weren't good, i think they were. What is interesting and is my main point here is next. From your posts after #804 TYG accusation, it looks to me that in your eyes TYG didn't have good arguments either, but he got a very different response. Or do you think TYG arguments are better so he got a better response?

Can you break TvK's post down and tell me what specifically you agree on? About #804, I told TYG that he missed my interactions with him, because his main point was that I did not interact with him at all. Which was just wrong. TvK had arguments, I just don't think they were strong, he just picked on minor things. As said before, you can break it down and ask me specific questions about it and I will answer them.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

About me hiding behind Alaktorn, why would I do that? I thought he made fair points and added to that. You don't always have to come up stuff yourself, it is just as important to deal with information you get and think about the substance of it and either follow it or disband it. Making own points is great, following up on great points is just as good. I don't know what your problem with that is. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who agreed to the connections he posted.

Are you serious with this question? You can't imagine maf hiding behind someone else? Following the same person on probably the biggest issues of the day twice doesn't make you maf, but it is suspicious.

Well it's not like I can't imagine it, I just ask the question why I would do that in this game. I believe Alaktorn to be a strong player, and I think he's town this game, so it's natural I pick up on good points from him. I mean, he was also one of the first to make a big post about YS, and he turned out scum. I think it would be dangerous to hide behind him if I was Maf, cause there's a high chance that he will in the end be right about a lot of things, so by hiding behind him I would risk having to lynch Maf. Which would obviously be bad if I was Maf. I can't really tell you it's impossible, I just can show you why it's unlikely for me to do that.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

But I'll give it to you, let's assume I am Mafia with YS. I just don't see how I would pressure him so hard and want him lynched? I could've just gone for TYG and gone onto that wagon, or set up an entirely different wagon on anyone, yet I would chose the easiest target, join on the wagon, and try to get him lynched hard?? Yea I could have tried to set up a mislynch chain with kyle/tvk, but why sacrifice a maf member for that? Also, if your theory is correct I assume you think kyle is town, so after we mislynch kyle the spotlight will be on me for sure, why would I risk all that?

YS was under heavy fire at this point. Everyone went on YS including maf. Tvk and Kyle did it as well. You can use the same argument for them. The fact if mafia went for YS as well. As for kyle lynch, you were against it, this was part of my point.

I was against the kyle lynch, because
1) I thought YS was far more likely to be Maf, and did not contribute anything to the discussion, so he was the best lynch in my eye
2) Alaktorn's point on which I agreed on about kyle was dependent on YS being Maf. If YS wasn't Maf, it would've just been a normal Town post and I would've felt less suspicious about kyle, however YS turned out Maf so we can focus on him today. It's just that a kyle lynch wouldn't have told us much about YS, while a YS lynch tells us a lot about kyle. So there was no question in my mind that YS lynch > kyle lynch. Even if both of them are Maf.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:28:34:

If you want me to take your lean serious, then give me answers to these questions. I'd like to post more in depth, but I don't have much time left(because you posted so late..) so I'm gonna leave it at that

So 3 people write huge posts against you, and 2 of them you don't take serious? I don't like giving people too much advice about gameplay because it can be a bit arrogant, but dude, if someone attacks you in mafia game, you should take it seriously no matter what.

I just worded it poor, I'm taking it serious. I was just frustrated you came out with that post so late, so there was no room for discussion or anyone else to voice their opinion of it, on top of me not having a lot of time to answer to it as well. I think no matter if I'm the one getting the heat or anyone else, it just can just help us, because it promotes dicussion. Didn't mean it to sound arrogant.

Bolded are my answers. I'll definitely be looking more into kyle today. I'll look back and try to find more points to strengthen my theory.

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Reply #1095 - 08/15/16 at 07:56:36

Based on what i have posted on D3 here are some conclusions:

Based on how YS went after Dan and TYG early D2 i'm 100% sure TYG is town

Based oh what i wrote on D2 about alak TYG connection and also seeing how alak is posting now + the fact he started Kyle wagon (which was perfect play imo) i'm 100% sure alak is town

I see 2 possible maf teams.

Team 1:

Tvk/Kyle - a lot of great posts from Dan Alak Racer and Zwiebel

Just the entire dynamics between them, no Tvk / YS conflict, YS putting Kyle and TvK as top town reads while he put top maf reads on Dan and Tyg make me thinks at that point he wasn't hiding anything or tying to mislead,
I see Tvk silence eod as frustration from D2, if he is mafia there is no return from this.

This was an example of bad maf team, so many people on them on D2. Doesn't surprise me because YS/Tvk combination will never work.

Team 2:

Zwiebel/ 3rd person

This comes from the fact that this game was somehow to easy. Based on my text on zwiebel and YS connection this looks like a decent mafia team smartly using YS to increase their chances.

In the end i would like to point out TYG reads:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/13/16 at 17:47:48:

So for my maf leads then it can work out to...

TvK
John
YS
Zwiebel
Kyle

I really like the play!

In the end, candidates for today lynch are Tvk/Kyle and Zwiebel. If any turn town, other team is maf. Worst case scenario we have 2 maf after D4. We got this.

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Reply #1096 - 08/15/16 at 08:04:46

no control wrote on 08/15/16 at 07:56:36:

This was an example of bad maf team, so many people on them on D2. Doesn't surprise me because YS/Tvk combination will never work.

I personally think this setup favored Town. 3 mislynches not resulting in a loss when you have a Doctor and a Cop is just dumb. Role actions have all been 100% perfect for Mafia (N1 Cop kill, no Doctor saves) yet look at their position, we’ve already lynched one on D2. It only took 1 mislynch without even using our roles. So, I believe the game would’ve been better if the players were only 12 (3 mislynches = loss) and Yoshistar wasn’t a part of it.

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Reply #1097 - 08/15/16 at 08:05:07

kyleb30 wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:35:32:

While I'm doing that, TYG and TvK what are your thoughts now on your respective final votes from D2?

Just catching up on break, YS 's play is always so bad that I didn't feel confident in voting him so close to majority also. I also wasn't ready to switch my vote to you either kyle. So I just stuck with my John vote

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Reply #1099 - 08/15/16 at 08:16:05

Eating lunch right now, have a few minutes to catch up on things.

One thing I should note as a result of my first post is looking at the relationship of Kyle/Michele:
m/m - I'd say impossible, why would maf!Michele create a counterwagon on maf!Kyle and give the choice of 2 maf wagons?
t/t - highly unlikely, if this were the case then (as I already mentioned), maf had an easy excuse to jump on, mislynch Kyle, and blame Michele. This basically only works if the remaining 2 scum are Racer and PAF, and I don't think that's the case.
In this case, I feel very very strongly that Kyle/Michele are t/m one way or the other.

If town!Michele started the wagon on maf!Kyle, then obviously the third maf would have to choose between Kyle/YS, and I think anybody here would choose to kill YS. If maf!Michele started the wagon on town!Kyle, did the final scum join (Racer/PAF) to try and get a mislynch, or did the final scum stay on YS, or is TYG/TvK is the final scum, in which case neither was on either of the primary wagons at EoD?

Thoughts? At this point, the 2 cleanest people in the game are Zoran and Lewis, in my eyes.

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