ALAKTORN wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:21:11:

Regarding the first, it wasn't a completely serious question, just remembering you saying something similar to being "100% sure Leone would flip maf" or something

I know you stated that Racer and PAF are town reads to you, but do you think that could have been maf trying to create confusion or (as John said) a last ditch effort to save YS?

kyleb30 wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:23:20:

I don’t know what you’re saying here. PAF/Racer are Mafia? If one of them is, I would pick PAF, but I don’t think either is.

I actually forgot Racer voted Kyle… let me go read his vote.

Well first off Zoran, if I am your highest Mafia lean, then I don't understand why you're not voting or pushing for a wagon on me. As I said, I strongly believe we should lynch the highest probabke Mafia today, not something to get info. You say I am connected to YS, so why not lynch me over him? If I end up Mafia, you just lynch YS afterwards and get 2 Maf if you are correct. But you come out with your suspicions close before Eod. Where there's a low chance of actually something happening.

Secondly, I pressured Dan hard and I gave you a Town lean, however these 2 things didn't correlate. I gave you a Town lean based on your behaviour that day. I didn't "just flip" opinions on you. I pointed out earlier that day that you posted something along the lines of "you don't post much but get info"(I'm too lazy to look it up, and EoD is soon). I called you out on that, and asked how you want to gather info if you don't post much. I said that's scummy and you might be maf. However, you posted a lot and my lean changed a lot later, and not "just like that". Or quote me and show me where I flip so hard.

Also, I didn't just "not care" about the TvK post, I just thought there weren't good arguments in it. If you want to get back to that and tell me what's been his main points you agree on, fair enough. But don't just say "I don't care". I made my rebuttal, if you don't agree with it then write why.

About me hiding behind Alaktorn, why would I do that? I thought he made fair points and added to that. You don't always have to come up stuff yourself, it is just as important to deal with information you get and think about the substance of it and either follow it or disband it. Making own points is great, following up on great points is just as good. I don't know what your problem with that is. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who agreed to the connections he posted.


But I'll give it to you, let's assume I am Mafia with YS. I just don't see how I would pressure him so hard and want him lynched? I could've just gone for TYG and gone onto that wagon, or set up an entirely different wagon on anyone, yet I would chose the easiest target, join on the wagon, and try to get him lynched hard?? Yea I could have tried to set up a mislynch chain with kyle/tvk, but why sacrifice a maf member for that? Also, if your theory is correct I assume you think kyle is town, so after we mislynch kyle the spotlight will be on me for sure, why would I risk all that?

If you want me to take your lean serious, then give me answers to these questions. I'd like to post more in depth, but I don't have much time left(because you posted so late..) so I'm gonna leave it at that.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:27:37:

His post looks good.

Let’s hope YS flips Maf.

inb4 self heal N1

IT IS NIGHT. STOP POSTING.

Yoshistar was lynched! At the end of the Day, he was completely unresponsive. The Townies shook him, over and over like a ragdoll, demanding questions and wanting answers. Groggily, Yoshistar occasionally would mention how much time was left until the end of the day. It was really a countdown though until the end of his life.


Yoshistar was lynched! He was a member of the Mafia!




Final Votes Chronologically Listed


5 Yoshistar - Kyle (750), Zwiebel (790), Dan (933), John (994), no control (1043)

3 Kyle - ALAKTORN (920), Racer (937), PAF (965)

1 John - TYG (823)
1 TYG - TvK (935)


Night actions are due in 11 hours and 30 minutes.


Clock counting down to End of Day 3

Nice D2 work gentlemen! Losing Dan sucks, if doctor didn't protect him N1 then doctor needs to rethink wtf he's doing...but if he used the N1 protect on Dan, then nothing he could do to save him in the future

A quick wagonomics check, probably more details to be found in it but here's what strikes me first:
Not a single person jumped from YS to Kyle. This has a couple different implications depending on which scenario you believe...
- town!Kyle: Maf start the counterwagon to try to save YS. Maf had a chance to jump aboard if they were on YS, it was tied 3-3 before my vote so it still could have gone either way. The fact that nobody went *from* YS *to* Kyle makes the wagon on YS look pretty good in my eyes.
- town!Kyle: Town start a counterwagon, thinking Kyle is scum. In this scenario, any maf on YS would have an easy opportunity to jump on the Kyle wagon, get a mislynch, and blame the wagon starter. The fact that nobody did this also makes the YS wagon look clean.
- maf!Kyle: Kyle wagon is definitely started by town in this scenario, no way I can see maf starting a counterwagon of another maf, given that the main wagon was the final maf. In this scenario, the wagon on Kyle is probably clean - the remaining maf member would not vote for him, since the choices were to lose scumbuddy!Kyle or scumbuddy!YS, and it's easy to know which scumbuddy he'd rather lose.

Personally, I think the first scenario is the most likely. Additionally, I also feel much much better about Lewis now (even though he voted for me), given that he was the only one YS seriously looked at. So, *under the premises* that YS wagon is clean AND Lewis is clean, that means the following:
There is *at least* 1 maf in: Michele, Racer, PAF
and 2 maf in: Michele, Racer, PAF, TvK

Since TvK still seems more likely town than maf to me atm, that means I think some 2 out of Michele, Racer, and PAF are the final scum. Even if there is 1 scum on the YS wagon (in which case why didn't he switch onto Kyle and force it to RNG?), I think the final scum is in those 3. I highly highly doubt both scum were on YS and got him lynched when switching to Kyle could have gotten a mislynch.

Thoughts from everyone? I'll look back through and see what I missed, but this is my starting point for now.

Also, the D1 wagon on Lewis (Dan, Zoran, Timur) was all on the D2 wagon for YS.

While I'm doing that, TYG and TvK what are your thoughts now on your respective final votes from D2?

Okay, I do realize I sort of fucked up again. I should just give myself more time to decide on my final vote.
I was REALLLY undecided between TYG and Kyle. Just one hour before I thought my vote was final, but then I got a gut feeling, and, after some hesitation, I really thought Kyle had better odds of being maf. Yet I still felt some regret before I slept.

But the thing is, I don't really see it as a problem, I didn't influence the lynch much anyway. Also, I'm not maf, I don't have to care about town cred, just decide the best choice even if it's nuts. Deal with it.

ALAK you never answered my question last night. What's your theory when I turn up town?

kyleb30 wrote on 08/15/16 at 06:46:06:

There’s no theory if you turn up Town.