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Reply #1000 - 08/14/16 at 17:16:57  
LewisRichards wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:11:15:
If we vote PAF and he turns out to be maf.... we get YS nothing more I haven't seen much content from PAF at all

If we vote YS and he turns out to be maf.... we get PAF,  and we can revisit all of Alak's theories on connections between others.

If either of them turn out to be town we get nothing because their posts were weak

Conclusion: If it's between YS and PAF, there's much more info to get out of a YS maf flip so he's the much better lynch imo

I agree with everything you just said, but I want to ask one more question.

Between Kyle/YS, what are the implications for each flip?
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Reply #1001 - 08/14/16 at 17:19:08  
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/14/16 at 15:03:22:
May I remind that Kyle went after me in his first D2 posts? That gave me a bit of town vibe from him, it's not like I played well or anything. Do you think he would do that as maf?

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/14/16 at 16:03:58:
Definitely not voting YS, that would mean making a similar mistake as D1. But please, pay attention to my last post about him, is he doing it on purpose?
Okay, kyle seems a bit scummier now; besides, maybe a decent maf player could just pbring to attention my D1 EoD which sucked...
You know what...
[vote]Kyle[/vote]
I just feel more comfortable voting someone like him. I mean TYG feels like one of the worse players here (although not as much as YS), maybe he just wasn't paying attention or something. I feel like he could help town as well.
May luck be with me this time.
Going to sleep now.


Literally this was PAF from one post to the next.  He didn't give Kyle a strong townread but he said Kyle's play gave him townie vibes, then he puts his final vote on Kyle for the day.
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Reply #1002 - 08/14/16 at 17:21:18  
DansGame wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:19:08:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/14/16 at 15:03:22:
May I remind that Kyle went after me in his first D2 posts? That gave me a bit of town vibe from him, it's not like I played well or anything. Do you think he would do that as maf?

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/14/16 at 16:03:58:
Definitely not voting YS, that would mean making a similar mistake as D1. But please, pay attention to my last post about him, is he doing it on purpose?
Okay, kyle seems a bit scummier now; besides, maybe a decent maf player could just pbring to attention my D1 EoD which sucked...
You know what...
[vote]Kyle[/vote]
I just feel more comfortable voting someone like him. I mean TYG feels like one of the worse players here (although not as much as YS), maybe he just wasn't paying attention or something. I feel like he could help town as well.
May luck be with me this time.
Going to sleep now.


Literally this was PAF from one post to the next.  He didn't give Kyle a strong townread but he said Kyle's play gave him townie vibes, then he puts his final vote on Kyle for the day.

Like I said, seems perfectly normal to me. Read my post at the bottom of last page.
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Reply #1003 - 08/14/16 at 17:23:37  
You consider that perfectly normal?  That's either perfectly the worst vote in the game, or mafia trying to save Yoshistar.
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Reply #1004 - 08/14/16 at 17:24:52  
DansGame wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:23:37:
You consider that perfectly normal?  That's either perfectly the worst vote in the game, or mafia trying to save Yoshistar.

It’s only a bad vote if you think PAF/YS are m/m. I don’t.
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Reply #1005 - 08/14/16 at 17:25:48  
LewisRichards wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:11:15:
If we vote PAF and he turns out to be maf.... we get YS nothing more I haven't seen much content from PAF at all

If we vote YS and he turns out to be maf.... we get PAF,  and we can revisit all of Alak's theories on connections between others.

If either of them turn out to be town we get nothing because their posts were weak

Conclusion: If it's between YS and PAF, there's much more info to get out of a YS maf flip so he's the much better lynch imo

PAF isn't 100% mafia if Yoshistar flips mafia, so that's the only thing that would convince me to go with Zoran on voting for him, however just based on the rest of the play I am so much more convinced that Yoshistar is mafia and if we lynch PAF today we won't get anything out of him from under pressure.
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Reply #1006 - 08/14/16 at 17:25:48  
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:24:52:
DansGame wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:23:37:
You consider that perfectly normal?  That's either perfectly the worst vote in the game, or mafia trying to save Yoshistar.

It’s only a bad vote if you think PAF/YS are m/m. I don’t.

And at the same time you think Kyle is Town. It’s just far more likely to me that noob PAF is trying to play the game.
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Reply #1007 - 08/14/16 at 17:27:56  
What the fuck is happening? This is just so resemblent to EoD D1 for PAF

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:13:19:
Well, I should go to sleep in 20 minutes or so and will wake up after EoD, so I should make my decision now.
However, I feel confused. I'm not sure if I can keep track of everyone's interactions and such, I can't make sense of all possible situations and their consequences.
I'm going to reread more posts to see if I can get somewhere.

But for now, my idea about Dan have been getting better, I'm not risking keeping my vote on him...
[vote]unvote[/vote]


P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:45:19:
You know what I accept ALAK's challenge.
[vote]Leone[/vote]
If he flips town then my 1st vote on D2 will be on ALAK and I may push on him.
See ya until then...


Says TYG is his biggest scum read, yet continues to randomly vote for Leone because "alaktorn takes responsibility". terrible vote. Now this terrible vote today.

I'm so confused
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Reply #1008 - 08/14/16 at 17:28:06  
Any thoughts on TvK missing eod?
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Reply #1009 - 08/14/16 at 17:28:14  
Did I say that I think Kyle is town?  I just think the late day push on Kyle is super sketchy.  PAF's vote is terrible because he didn't give a good reason to vote for a late day lynch candidate that hasn't been talked about for most of the game.  If you vote for Kyle this late and are acknowledging that he will be your final vote, you should have a damn good reason for it.  Instead, his last post right before that says he got town vibes from Kyle's play.
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Reply #1010 - 08/14/16 at 17:29:32  

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:40:24:
TvK wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:29:17:
As much as I thought TYG was scum, I'm not liking where this wagon is going so fast. A couple of posts ago Leone was adamant about keeping his vote on John, even asking people why he should move his vote because he couldn't see a better option. Now the opportunity to save himself has come: TYG's wagon is taking off.

It seems like I'm going against my general read of TYG, but this feels like a standard counterwagon to steer away from the pressure on a member of the mafia, or a wagon started by a own member used by the mafia to achieve the same purpose. Is there anyone else who happens to feel the same about this?


Yes the timing of this may not be coincidence... hoever, from what I've read in pages 18-21, TYG is now my biggest maf lean seeing as he used to be one of the inactives.
My 2nd maf lean is Leone mostly because of one post where he's like "if I get lynched and flip town you look bad"...

Votes are now Leone 5-3 TYG, so either I vote TYG or I keep it blank, don't feel like extending the lead on the Leone wagon, I'm not certain on things.
(sorry if I didn't explain everything, I'm sort of in a hurry...)


Sorry, I quoted the wrong firest post from PAF. I meant this one, where he calls TYG his biggest scum lean.
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Reply #1011 - 08/14/16 at 17:29:50  
TvK wrote on 08/14/16 at 13:19:01:
I'm going out now, but normally I should be home before the deadline so I might still be able to swap if anyone comes out with some convincing arguments. As for now, I've got my fingers crossed.


I would be very surprised if he doesn't come back at some point.
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Reply #1012 - 08/14/16 at 17:30:41  
Also he specifically says he doesn't want to extend the Leone wagon, yet he does it no time later.
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Reply #1013 - 08/14/16 at 17:31:57  
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Any thoughts on TvK missing eod?

There's still another hour, he said he'll probably be back if I remember right. Also, EoD is at what, 4:30am for him?
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Reply #1014 - 08/14/16 at 17:33:21  
Is anyone else getting weird vibes from ALAK defending PAF so hard? At the same time, I think if ALAK were maf, he wouldn't defend a scum birdie so hard.

I'm getting odd t\t vibes.

Also, Zoran, why would you vote PAF? Do you really think he's a good counter wagon? He's asleep, we can't even see how he reacts! This is really bad play from you. At least wait until d3.

Dan brings up good points about why we shouldn't vote off Kyle yet. However, I still dont, feel sure about a YS lynch. Will read into it before eod.
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Reply #1015 - 08/14/16 at 17:38:06  
DansGame wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:28:14:
Did I say that I think Kyle is town?  I just think the late day push on Kyle is super sketchy.  PAF's vote is terrible because he didn't give a good reason to vote for a late day lynch candidate that hasn't been talked about for most of the game.  If you vote for Kyle this late and are acknowledging that he will be your final vote, you should have a damn good reason for it.  Instead, his last post right before that says he got town vibes from Kyle's play.

PAF is falling apart. I thought he was inno before, but this eod play is awful.

But nevertheless, we shouldn't lynch him today because he isn't even awake to prove himself or dug his grave deeper.
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Reply #1016 - 08/14/16 at 17:39:14  
DansGame wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:28:14:
Did I say that I think Kyle is town?  I just think the late day push on Kyle is super sketchy.  PAF's vote is terrible because he didn't give a good reason to vote for a late day lynch candidate that hasn't been talked about for most of the game.  If you vote for Kyle this late and are acknowledging that he will be your final vote, you should have a damn good reason for it.  Instead, his last post right before that says he got town vibes from Kyle's play.

OK you may have a point, but I honestly don’t see what’s wrong with late wagons. Everybody not wanting to jump on Kyle just reinforces my opinion that he’s Mafia.

PAF’s gone to sleep so we can’t do anything about it. I think we all had Kyle on the back of our mind throughout the game, at least I did. PAF may have been the same, though the way he voted him was bad, not because he called him “Town” earlier (I read that as more of a neutral lean slight Town), but because he never mentioned Kyle before (or did he?) and went to sleep while setting his last vote on him. At EoD1 he unvoted, not wanting to risk anything on a final vote… yet now he seems comfortable with it. If someone could find Kyle mentions from PAF that’d be nice, but I’m standing by my vote regardless. I read PAF/Racer/TYG as Townies and Kyle as the scummiest player in the game (or maybe that should go to YS, but it’s hard to separate scum from stupid with him), so PAF’s vote there doesn’t worry me very much. To my eyes, it’s far from as bad as what m/m Kyle did to YS when a TYG wagon was still alive.
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Reply #1017 - 08/14/16 at 17:39:59  
Just throwing out there something that I do very much agree with TvK on.  It is highly important that we lynch a mafia member today.  2 mafia alive makes it harder for them to control votes and wagons in coming days.  So even if you think someone flipping town implicates someone else, that may not be the best lynch.
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Reply #1018 - 08/14/16 at 17:40:20  
Racer - What makes you feel that I'm a better lynch than YS? What do you think we learn from a lynch of me and YS is we're maf? How about if we're town?
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Reply #1019 - 08/14/16 at 17:43:07  
ALAK how would PAF look to you when I turn up town if I get lynched today (same can go for Racer, although I feel he has a better case against me)? What would it mean to your theories and how would you go about adjusting them?
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Reply #1020 - 08/14/16 at 17:43:51  
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ALAK how would PAF look to you when I turn up town if I get lynched today (same can go for Racer, although I feel he has a better case against me)? What would it mean to your theories and how would you go about adjusting them?

If I’m wrong on another lynch I’ll just go lynch myself.
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Reply #1021 - 08/14/16 at 17:44:48  
DansGame wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:39:59:
Just throwing out there something that I do very much agree with TvK on.  It is highly important that we lynch a mafia member today.  2 mafia alive makes it harder for them to control votes and wagons in coming days.  So even if you think someone flipping town implicates someone else, that may not be the best lynch.

It's never the best lynch. The best lynch is always maf. And yes, it's absolutely critical to get one here, because if we mislynch today, we are down to 1 mislynch remaining as you pointed out already.
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Reply #1022 - 08/14/16 at 17:44:59  
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:43:51:
kyleb30 wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:43:07:
ALAK how would PAF look to you when I turn up town if I get lynched today (same can go for Racer, although I feel he has a better case against me)? What would it mean to your theories and how would you go about adjusting them?

If I’m wrong on another lynch I’ll just go lynch myself.


Don't lynch yourself, bad for town.  If you're mafia just use a bullet on yourself in the night.
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Reply #1023 - 08/14/16 at 17:47:10  
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:16:57:
LewisRichards wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:11:15:
If we vote PAF and he turns out to be maf.... we get YS nothing more I haven't seen much content from PAF at all

If we vote YS and he turns out to be maf.... we get PAF,  and we can revisit all of Alak's theories on connections between others.

If either of them turn out to be town we get nothing because their posts were weak

Conclusion: If it's between YS and PAF, there's much more info to get out of a YS maf flip so he's the much better lynch imo

I agree with everything you just said, but I want to ask one more question.

Between Kyle/YS, what are the implications for each flip?


Hmmm we definitely get a lot of information from a YS maf flip as previously stated. We get nothing from a town flip

Alak's theories also apply a lot to Kyle too I believe so we can also get a lot of information off of a maf flip from him too. If he flips town, I feel like he's made so little posts that once again we barely get anything

Conclusion: Get about the same amount of information so I don't think that's the factor we should vote on, and we should just vote on who we think is more scummy.
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Reply #1024 - 08/14/16 at 17:47:23  
kyleb30 wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:40:20:
Racer - What makes you feel that I'm a better lynch than YS? What do you think we learn from a lynch of me and YS is we're maf? How about if we're town?

1) You have been silent most of the day and when you came back, you avoided most of the questions. You be also tried staying out of the spotlight. Put this all together and it looks very scummy. YS has also played bad and looked very scummy, but I still can't tell wether or not it's, to quote ALAK, scummy or stupid play by YS.
2) This is the problem, We don't learn much about scumbuddies even if your lynched, (at least I can't come up with any info as I am typing this and not looking at posts. While with YS, it pretty much clears TYG and puts pressure on TvK.
3) You: You were playing bad, that's all. YS: Same.
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