TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:49:32:


I actually thought Dan's pressure on PAF looked bad since the post was obviously a joke I mean Dan made a joke vote too. I don't think PAF responded great. I could see either of them being maf. The best way to find the alignment of a new player is probably to ask a lot of questions, exposed me as maf the first game.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:55:32:


Why would you think that any pressure would look bad? In my opinion, the best reads come from pressuring people. What is the difference between Dan's pressure on PAF or "ask a lot of questions" like you propose? With which way would you get different results?

DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:55:44:

Another bad, defensive-retaliation post. I’d have preferred you aknowledging your bad situation rather than flipping it around trying to make it look good. My vote stays.

I'll post my leans later on. Sorry for the lack of activity; am putting the finishing touches on a research paper I'm turning in at the end of today.

I likely misread the first few pages' posts. Will break everything down later on and make a more informed vote then.

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DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:05:17:

I see you as putting the most pressure on PAF.

I’ve explained why you look scummy, and pointed out every post that made me feel such. A post I really, really disliked was when you called your big paragraph about pressuring Yoshistar a “half-joke”. That screams Mafia trying to save themselves after pressuring a noob didn’t go their way. Not to mention a few posts later you came back with how pressuring noobs is a good idea, so where was the half-joke?

And your latest posts have been really defensive. The only players who play defensively are noob Towns and Mafia. Good Town play is about finding the Mafia, not making yourself look Town.

TvK wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:20:05:

I care about helping town the most. If I come off scummy, then you guys are looking for proof against me, a loyal townie, instead of trying to look for actual Maf.
As I have already said, I wanted to joke that I was acting like Vinnie, without saying his name out loud. I mistakenly assumed at least some of you would get it, and so I didn't mention Vinnie in order to be nicer.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:38:25:

I only joked like that because I thought you would pick up on the Vinnie joke. I was not trying to use some backhanded scummy way of not looking scummy.

Racer727 wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:17:21:

It didn’t feel genuine to bring up Vinnie’s name because that could’ve easily been a joke about yourself. You were lynched because you were playing well in Brett’s game, so “playing like a noob” (paraphrasing) could’ve been a joke on that. I thought you bringing up Vinnie was weird. There have been plenty of noob players in past games, so why bring up Vinnie?

Will reply to Dan in new post.

ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:23:28:

Because Vinnie was a prime example of that. If you read the posts, Vinnie did that and just about everyone yelled at him for it.

Looking back I guess Alaktorn didn't put as much heat on PAF as Zoran did and maybe even TvK.  One of the things I actually liked about Alaktorn though was that he had the same initial reaction to PAF's confused posts as I did.  Still a lot to think about here.

DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:20:03:

This doesn’t look like a joke.
DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 07:24:21:


DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:20:03:

I’ve literally put no pressure on PAF. I even Town read him at one point. What the fuck are you saying? Zoran, sure, but he has his own weird ideas about the game’s meta and “never randoming” sounds like something Town Zoran could say. He’s being awfully quiet though and I don’t think he’s Town. I’m answering your questions, you go back and read. About Leone defending you… it wasn’t even me who brought that up, I had missed it. TvK did. Why don’t you ask him? I could try to re-read Leone’s post and explain my opinion of it better later, maybe, but for now I don’t see much of a point.

DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:20:03:

Keep being defensive. You’ve just reiterated what you posted and I replied to above in this post.

DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:20:03:

As already said, maybe I’ll reply to this later. Cba to really go along with your questions when you’re being this scummy.

DansGame wrote on 08/11/16 at 09:20:03:

Don’t really have much on that. I like him calling out Leone. Don’t like his “no town leans because i might have a mafia lean on anyone at some point”. I can’t tell if it’s scummy or just noobish, though, and by how the game’s going overall it doesn’t make me think of him as Mafia much. I should’ve pressured him on it though, but now he seems gone. He should understand his reasoning was poor, even if not giving Town leans might not exactly be bad play (I’m not sure).

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ALAKTORN wrote on 08/11/16 at 08:26:34:


Okay granted it's not as much pressure as I remember but you did say that PAF was starting to make  bad posts.

I was interested in your PAF read because I feel like you could be mafia putting pressure on PAF to have him get mislynched and then sayinig that I would look really bad if PAF flips town to try to set up a mislynch chain (PAF day 1, me day 2).  Looking back you didn't put as much pressure on him as I remember, but I still think it's possible that you were intending on setting up a mislynch chain.

I don't think there's any way you could be mafia with PAF, I'll say that.

Still willing to consider that you are town and I can see why you might think I'm mafia, even though I don't like that you haven't been explaining your reads much, just giving them, until your latest post.  I'll go ahead and out as vanilla town, I know that might make it easier for a cop or medic to get shot in the night if mafia decided to not target me, but I really wouldn't be that upset if I get mislynched.  I just hope people consider what I said about Alaktorn trying to set up a mislynch chain with PAF and then me (he probably won't do that now regardless anyway now that I brought it up, I expect him to keep his vote on me at any rate.)

I don't have much of a read on Leone yet, considering I know I'm not m/m with him, I know that his first post didn't have anything to do with defending me as a mafia buddy.  I agree with TvK that there's no reason to unvote there really.

I liked that TYG's first post was to point out that he felt like PAF's additional post came off as being unnecessarily defensive.  I feel like other PAF posts made him look worse, but the fact that this is the first thing TYG noticed upon coming into the game felt good to me.  I feel like TYG mafia might have chosen to go after Racer or someone else for his first page posts instead upon entering the game.

I feel like I need to go back and really figure out how I feel about Racer.