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TvK NinjaTvK Offline 5510 days karting Belgium Gender:	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #250 - 06/14/16 at 10:56:17 God fucking damnit, does anyone even have the slightest clue of how fucking lucky we just got? Never do something like that again, please.
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Reply #252 - 06/14/16 at 10:58:03

Zwiebel wrote on 06/14/16 at 10:42:08:

Leone wrote on 06/14/16 at 10:39:33:

Complacency? Going with the flow? Figuring enough others would reject? Yall have some explaining to do.

I voted approve because I feel most confident, based on my leans, that Zwiebel and TvK were the right choices for my proposal.

I think it's more like you have explaining to do...I can see people approving to send me and TvK on the mission, but no objections to you going either? That makes you really suspicious

By the stipulation put forth by the votes, you/TvK is spy, and I'm leaning more towards you being so, because TvK so obviously looks resistance.

Ik a lack of objections outside you two would make me look suspicious, but I selected myself because I 100% know that I'm rebel, vs someone like Racer, on whom I have a near-neutral lean, or vs someone like TYG/YS, on whom I have a slight spy lean.

In the end, I decided to approve this mission, again, because you and TvK gave me the strongest resistance leans of everyone else from which to choose. Clearly, I missed something in one of your/TvK's past interactions which would've indicated the opposite of what I deduced.

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TvK NinjaTvK Offline 5510 sex records Belgium Gender:	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #253 - 06/14/16 at 10:58:20 Zwiebel, I'm so definitely going to take you on board on my next proposal. Anyone else, why the fuck should I select you on my proposal? And while answering this question, tell me again why you thought it was a good idea to accept Leone's proposal?
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Reply #254 - 06/14/16 at 11:02:01

Leone wrote on 06/14/16 at 10:58:03:

Zwiebel wrote on 06/14/16 at 10:42:08:

Leone wrote on 06/14/16 at 10:39:33:

Complacency? Going with the flow? Figuring enough others would reject? Yall have some explaining to do.

I voted approve because I feel most confident, based on my leans, that Zwiebel and TvK were the right choices for my proposal.

I think it's more like you have explaining to do...I can see people approving to send me and TvK on the mission, but no objections to you going either? That makes you really suspicious

By the stipulation put forth by the votes, you/TvK is spy, and I'm leaning more towards you being so, because TvK so obviously looks resistance.

Ik a lack of objections outside you two would make me look suspicious, but I selected myself because I 100% know that I'm rebel, vs someone like Racer, on whom I have a near-neutral lean, or vs someone like TYG/YS, on whom I have a slight spy lean.

In the end, I decided to approve this mission, again, because you and TvK gave me the strongest resistance leans of everyone else from which to choose. Clearly, I missed something in one of your/TvK's past interactions which would've indicated the opposite of what I deduced.

To be frank, you accepting the mission proposal is totally fine - the problem is that everyone else besides me and TvK voting accept makes you very likely a spy.

The only way you can make me trust you is if you can convince me that TvK is the spy, not you...

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Reply #255 - 06/14/16 at 11:06:24

I'll have to do some digging for that, but I just thought of another possibility --

What if both you AND TvK are resistance? How do we know the spies didn't just want to go along with this to validate themselves through their votes, in the process getting one of us incriminated, so they could get one of their own on board next mission?

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Leone Titan Offline Curious. 4390 days karting København, soon Gender:	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #256 - 06/14/16 at 11:11:55 The more I think about it, the more I'm willing to believe Zwiebel and TvK are both innocent, and the spies are either using this to hide, or are just so damn clueless that they went ahead and ok'd the mission anyway with pre-emptive votes, obviously like what the other resistance ppl did.
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Reply #257 - 06/14/16 at 11:12:54

Leone wrote on 06/14/16 at 11:06:24:

I'll have to do some digging for that, but I just thought of another possibility --

What if both you AND TvK are resistance? How do we know the spies didn't just want to go along with this to validate themselves through their votes, in the process getting one of us incriminated, so they could get one of their own on board next mission?

The only problem with that is that I was the one who brought up that one of us has to be a spy, and only after the votes all were public, wouldn't you think they would've tried to bring that up earlier? Also in my mind, there's no way they all let the proposal go through even tho there's no spy on it, esp since it was only the second proposal.

I just think the probability of all of us 3 being resistance is very low just considering the votes.

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Reply #258 - 06/14/16 at 11:26:03

Zwiebel wrote on 06/14/16 at 11:12:54:

Leone wrote on 06/14/16 at 11:06:24:

I'll have to do some digging for that, but I just thought of another possibility --

What if both you AND TvK are resistance? How do we know the spies didn't just want to go along with this to validate themselves through their votes, in the process getting one of us incriminated, so they could get one of their own on board next mission?

The only problem with that is that I was the one who brought up that one of us has to be a spy, and only after the votes all were public, wouldn't you think they would've tried to bring that up earlier? Also in my mind, there's no way they all let the proposal go through even tho there's no spy on it, esp since it was only the second proposal.

I just think the probability of all of us 3 being resistance is very low just considering the votes.

They did bring it up earlier (re: most everyone having a spy lean on either TvK or myself), yet look at the voting results.

Mathematically, yes the chances of us 3 being all resistance are low, but you have to look at the list of ppl not on the mission who voted yes in the first place. Well over half, again, thought there was a spy aboard, and they ok'd it anyway. Further, if sacrificing this mission by approving it, to the end of getting one of us framed via votes, which I think is what is happening here, then it would make sense for all 3 spies to run across that idea at some point.

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Reply #259 - 06/14/16 at 13:01:54

I'm happy I approved the mission. I believe if both TvK and Leone were spies the mission would have failed. If it was just Leone/TvK I think it would pass. I think Leone is spy, TvK what are your thoughts on next mission? Would me, you, Zwiebel work? If you do you, Zwiebel, Leone you pretty much force him to approve again or force him to fail so he isn't down 0-2. What do you think is best?

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Yoshistar™ Titan Offline YoshiFace 4865 days karting Netherlands Gender:	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #260 - 06/14/16 at 13:26:06 Seriously? We got a point and you're not happy? What the hell? Chances were high anyway that the first one would pass, why not try to frame the others on the second mission? Spies could be doing this as they've planned to do. If that doesn't like you TvK, then go frame me, if you dare.
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Reply #261 - 06/14/16 at 13:27:57

TvK wrote on 06/14/16 at 10:58:20:

Zwiebel, I'm so definitely going to take you on board on my next proposal. Anyone else, why the fuck should I select you on my proposal? And while answering this question, tell me again why you thought it was a good idea to accept Leone's proposal?

Put me on the mission because I'm not a spy! (idk what to say here honestly)
I voted for this to pass because... I has no excuse.Very very bad play on my part. I can't stress it enough that it was a bad idea to vote approve.As you were pushing me TvK, I came to the conclusion (again, bad play on my part, I should have said something) that Leone is a spy or a really bad R.(What I mean is Leone became one of my prime spy leans) but I didn't reject because I (and I know I shouldn't have done this) assumed it wouldn't pass because you were pushing everyone so hard.

Now that I think about it, I do want to go on the mission to help the team, but I don't have any strong reasons why you should believe me.

If it comes to me, I will propose a Zwiebel, TvK and Myself mission. So... that is why you should include me, so we can pass a successful mission in less tries.

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Reply #263 - 06/14/16 at 13:51:40

LewisRichards wrote on 06/14/16 at 13:01:54:

I'm happy I approved the mission. I believe if both TvK and Leone were spies the mission would have failed. If it was just Leone/TvK I think it would pass. I think Leone is spy, TvK what are your thoughts on next mission? Would me, you, Zwiebel work? If you do you, Zwiebel, Leone you pretty much force him to approve again or force him to fail so he isn't down 0-2. What do you think is best?

So what solid information do you have now? You once again even say that you thought it was possible that even 2 of the people on the mission were spies? And you even were willing to give up a point just to prove your theory? And that theory is flawed as well.

Let me just list what you're trying to say that happened tonight:
1. Leone, Zwiebel and TvK are all resistance
2. Zwiebel and Leone are resistance, TvK is a spy who submitted a pass
3. Zwiebel and TvK are resistance, Leone is a spy who submitted a pass

Once again, we have no idea which one of these happened. Or do you? And some other questions: why do you think your biggest resistance lean Zwiebel rejected this mission? Why would he do the complete opposite of what you did? What is your opinion on me rejecting the proposal as well? What is your opinion on Leone accepting?

And to finish off: which proposal would have included the most Spies if it were submitted for Mission 1?
1. Zwiebel, Leone, TvK
2. Zwiebel, TYG, Racer

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Zwiebel Legend Offline Kmaccy-Fan 6670 days karting Stuttgart Gender:	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #264 - 06/14/16 at 13:56:53 For the next mission I would like to see Tvk, me, Racer...dunno about 4th one yet. I don't want to send younggun or leone. YS also gives me Spy vibes, but not as sure. No clue about Sam and Zac...they need to post more.
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Reply #265 - 06/14/16 at 14:06:03

Yoshistar™ wrote on 06/14/16 at 13:26:06:

Seriously? We got a point and you're not happy? What the hell? Huh

Chances were high anyway that the first one would pass, why not try to frame the others on the second mission? Spies could be doing this as they've planned to do. Smiley

If that doesn't like you TvK, then go frame me, if you dare.

Yes, we have a point. And that's it. Nothing more. Please tell me, what do you determine from the events that happened from when the voting results were announced and the mission passed? Who are the spies? Who are the rebels? And how the hell would I be able to frame you exactly?

Here are also some questions that you didn't answer:

TvK wrote on 06/13/16 at 16:56:17:

Why is this proposal the right one on your eyes? Why don't you want to be on the first proposal? Which one of the people in this proposal is your spybuddy?

TvK wrote on 06/14/16 at 04:47:49:

Just in case this proposal wouldn't get through: who thinks they should be on my proposal? And why do you think so? Who wouldn't you want on it? Which proposal would have the highest chance of passing the mission?

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TvK NinjaTvK Offline 5510 days karting Belgium Gender:	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #266 - 06/14/16 at 14:08:09 Just adding to my previous post to Yoshistar: which one of the following two is best for the rebels? 1. A little bit of information 2. 5 times that many information
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Reply #267 - 06/14/16 at 14:13:39

LewisRichards wrote on 06/14/16 at 13:01:54:

I'm happy I approved the mission. I believe if both TvK and Leone were spies the mission would have failed. If it was just Leone/TvK I think it would pass. I think Leone is spy, TvK what are your thoughts on next mission? Would me, you, Zwiebel work? If you do you, Zwiebel, Leone you pretty much force him to approve again or force him to fail so he isn't down 0-2. What do you think is best?

So let's say we make the same proposal as mission 1 + Racer for example. It gets approved and then the mission fails with 1 FAIL and 3 PASS. What would your conclusion be? Will you have additional information compared to what you have now? How many Spies are in that proposal? How many Spies are watching from the sidelines, hiding in the darkness. What would we do from there on?

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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #268 - 06/14/16 at 14:14:31 I believe option 3 is the most likely. It would line up with him accepting and you two rejecting. I think both of you rejected to try and get voting info I guess. Didn't really think of that. I think the next mission should be me you Zwiebel racer
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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #269 - 06/14/16 at 14:16:12 I was stupid and didn't realize the next proposal had to be 4, I forgot about that. I don't think Leone should be in the next mission.
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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #271 - 06/14/16 at 15:12:44 I have a maf lean on leone, town lean on Racer Zwiebel tvk. Everyone else flip a coin.
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☆ᓂ King Offline Who’s the evil twin? Both of us.... 3244 days karting Canada Gender:	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #272 - 06/14/16 at 15:14:11 LewisRichards wrote on 06/14/16 at 15:12:44: I have a maf lean on leone, town lean on Racer Zwiebel tvk. Everyone else flip a coin. you mean resistance and spy XD
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TvK NinjaTvK Offline 5510 sex records Belgium Gender:	Re: Resistance! M2.1: Resistance 1 - Spies 0 Reply #273 - 06/14/16 at 15:15:09 ☆ᓂ wrote on 06/14/16 at 15:07:37: @TvK how would you feel if the proposal was accepted and passes? Perfect, then we only need to make the same proposal again and we win. But that seems incredibly unlikely.
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Reply #274 - 06/14/16 at 15:18:22

LewisRichards wrote on 06/14/16 at 15:12:44:

I have a maf lean on leone, town lean on Racer Zwiebel tvk. Everyone else flip a coin.

What is your opinion on Sam and Yoshistar making no attempt whatsoever to be on the proposal? Is that something you would expect from a rebel or from a spy? And what does it tell you that they both accepted it, even though they both had a spyread on one of the people involved? What is your take on your biggest rebel read Zwiebel not wanting you on the next proposal?

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