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Reply #175 - 06/13/16 at 17:47:55  
TYG and Racer both seem very complacent about having this team pass, even though they have said they have reason to reject the team. I'm not sure if this is just newbie-like "going-with-the-flow" play to see how things turn out, or if one (or both) of them know something we don't, in regards to the alignment of those on said proposed team. Either way, I'm not liking where this discussion is going in terms of player interactions, and am leaning towards rejecting the given proposal, on grounds that someone I selected may be a spy. I'm almost certain TvK is resistance, based on his aggressive playstyle, but I haven't observed Zwiebel before now, so I don't know if he could just be a really skilled spy.

TYG, between TvK and myself, who do you think is more scummy, and why? And further, why did you vote for the mission to proceed earlier on, despite these concerns? This is indicative of s/s interaction.

Racer, why do you think that having yourself on this mission, when you know your alignment, would jeopardize the mission's chances of success?
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Reply #176 - 06/13/16 at 17:49:32  
Lol, I'm just pretty certain I'm always the one that ends up at the bottom of the Totem Pole. If the situation you describes happens of course I'll fight it and try and prove the other as a spy, but like I said I'm the least influential person so I don't want to end up in that situation in the first place.
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Reply #177 - 06/13/16 at 17:50:21  
And TvK, by percentage (50% being neutral, higher being resistance, lower being spy), what are your current leans on everyone in play, based on your interactions?
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Reply #178 - 06/13/16 at 17:52:03  
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 17:49:32:
Lol, I'm just pretty certain I'm always the one that ends up at the bottom of the Totem Pole. If the situation you describes happens of course I'll fight it and try and prove the other as a spy, but like I said I'm the least influential person so I don't want to end up in that situation in the first place.


Do you understand why I find it very anti-rebel that you don't want to end at the bottom of the totem pole? You even say that you are willing to fight if you are put in this position. Why woudn't you try to get in this position?
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Reply #179 - 06/13/16 at 17:56:26  
TYG, if you have a case to make against x action, and can base that case on a logical sequence of thought processes, then player influence doesn't mean squat. You've already been in two other games so you should know this by now. Right now, I don't know what to read because you've flip-flopped so many times so far.
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Reply #180 - 06/13/16 at 17:57:01  
Leone wrote on 06/13/16 at 07:03:11:
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 04:17:08:
I'm not going on a mission with TvK unless Zweibel is on it. Zweibel and TvK are pretty much the strongest players, haven't seen Zweibel yet but I know he has past experience. I also have to resistance lean on Zweibel, and being the strong player that I think he is, I doubt either Zweibel or TvK would fail it in fear of being found out by the other unless they're both spies but even then they might pass it because of this speculation.

So I'd be willing to go on a mission with both Zweibel and TvK.


Why would you want to only go on a mission with these two? How do we know you aren't just wanting to go with the two on whom you have strong resistance leans and passing that mission, specifically to validate yourself and draw attention elsewhere? This whole strategy of piggy-backing with the players you deem strongest seems fishy to me.

If the goal is to pass this mission, then I'm leaning toward selecting myself, Zwiebel, and TvK, as their posts give me resistance leans on them. However, if the goal is to gather as much info as possible, then I'm thinking we should send TvK/myself, along with TYG and someone other than Zwiebel. If we're willing to sacrifice this mission (which I personally think is too risky a strategy, but I could be swayed otherwise), then sending TvK/myself, TvK/TYG, someone like Racer/YS would tell us much more, because I believe a more experienced spy (not TYG/YS) would be better able to divert attention from themselves in the post-mission investigations which would ensue if the mission fails, therefore confusing our efforts to pass future missions.


My thoughts about TvK were more of a gut feeling actually, so I think you Leone are more suspicious because I hated this post here.
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Reply #181 - 06/13/16 at 17:58:08  
Leone wrote on 06/13/16 at 17:50:21:
And TvK, by percentage (50% being neutral, higher being resistance, lower being spy), what are your current leans on everyone in play, based on your interactions?


It's very hard to say in exact percentages, but I'll try it by saying over/under.

Sam and Yoshistar: under 50%, about the same level
Zac: for now slightly under 50%, but this read is very weak, it might change in a couple of Zac posts
Leone: around 50%, I haven't really had any incentive to put him above or below this marker
Zwiebel, Racer and TYG: above 50%. The reason I want Zwiebel in the mission instead of Racer or TYG is because I like him slightly better and I would like to hear other people's opinions on me rebelreading hum.
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Reply #182 - 06/13/16 at 18:00:39  
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 17:57:01:
My thoughts about TvK were more of a gut feeling actually, so I think you Leone are more suspicious because I hated this post here.


Does this mean your gut read of me evolved from probably rebel to probably Spy somewhere? If so, where did this happen? And what is your current read on me?
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Reply #183 - 06/13/16 at 18:00:53  
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 17:57:01:
Leone wrote on 06/13/16 at 07:03:11:
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 04:17:08:
I'm not going on a mission with TvK unless Zweibel is on it. Zweibel and TvK are pretty much the strongest players, haven't seen Zweibel yet but I know he has past experience. I also have to resistance lean on Zweibel, and being the strong player that I think he is, I doubt either Zweibel or TvK would fail it in fear of being found out by the other unless they're both spies but even then they might pass it because of this speculation.

So I'd be willing to go on a mission with both Zweibel and TvK.


Why would you want to only go on a mission with these two? How do we know you aren't just wanting to go with the two on whom you have strong resistance leans and passing that mission, specifically to validate yourself and draw attention elsewhere? This whole strategy of piggy-backing with the players you deem strongest seems fishy to me.

If the goal is to pass this mission, then I'm leaning toward selecting myself, Zwiebel, and TvK, as their posts give me resistance leans on them. However, if the goal is to gather as much info as possible, then I'm thinking we should send TvK/myself, along with TYG and someone other than Zwiebel. If we're willing to sacrifice this mission (which I personally think is too risky a strategy, but I could be swayed otherwise), then sending TvK/myself, TvK/TYG, someone like Racer/YS would tell us much more, because I believe a more experienced spy (not TYG/YS) would be better able to divert attention from themselves in the post-mission investigations which would ensue if the mission fails, therefore confusing our efforts to pass future missions.


My thoughts about TvK were more of a gut feeling actually, so I think you Leone are more suspicious because I hated this post here.


Care to elaborate? Right now it just looks like you're feeling suspicious of whoever turns the spotlight on you. (re: TvK)
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Reply #184 - 06/13/16 at 18:04:23  
TvK wrote on 06/13/16 at 18:00:39:
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 17:57:01:
My thoughts about TvK were more of a gut feeling actually, so I think you Leone are more suspicious because I hated this post here.


Does this mean your gut read of me evolved from probably rebel to probably Spy somewhere? If so, where did this happen? And what is your current read on me?


I never really thought you were rebel, I've kind of had you in between the entire time. Spy rebel odds rn? 60/40 is what I think.
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Reply #185 - 06/13/16 at 18:08:10  
Leone wrote on 06/13/16 at 18:00:53:
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 17:57:01:
Leone wrote on 06/13/16 at 07:03:11:
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 04:17:08:
I'm not going on a mission with TvK unless Zweibel is on it. Zweibel and TvK are pretty much the strongest players, haven't seen Zweibel yet but I know he has past experience. I also have to resistance lean on Zweibel, and being the strong player that I think he is, I doubt either Zweibel or TvK would fail it in fear of being found out by the other unless they're both spies but even then they might pass it because of this speculation.

So I'd be willing to go on a mission with both Zweibel and TvK.


Why would you want to only go on a mission with these two? How do we know you aren't just wanting to go with the two on whom you have strong resistance leans and passing that mission, specifically to validate yourself and draw attention elsewhere? This whole strategy of piggy-backing with the players you deem strongest seems fishy to me.

If the goal is to pass this mission, then I'm leaning toward selecting myself, Zwiebel, and TvK, as their posts give me resistance leans on them. However, if the goal is to gather as much info as possible, then I'm thinking we should send TvK/myself, along with TYG and someone other than Zwiebel. If we're willing to sacrifice this mission (which I personally think is too risky a strategy, but I could be swayed otherwise), then sending TvK/myself, TvK/TYG, someone like Racer/YS would tell us much more, because I believe a more experienced spy (not TYG/YS) would be better able to divert attention from themselves in the post-mission investigations which would ensue if the mission fails, therefore confusing our efforts to pass future missions.


My thoughts about TvK were more of a gut feeling actually, so I think you Leone are more suspicious because I hated this post here.


Care to elaborate? Right now it just looks like you're feeling suspicious of whoever turns the spotlight on you. (re: TvK)


You're proposal for the mission that wasn't supposed to pass (info mission) was you tvk and me. I already had a small spy lean on TvK. But this told me that you didn't expect that mission to pass and it scared the shit out of me the thought that you were planning to frame me with tvk as your accomplice.
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Reply #186 - 06/13/16 at 18:15:57  
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 18:08:10:
You're proposal for the mission that wasn't supposed to pass (info mission) was you tvk and me. I already had a small spy lean on TvK. But this told me that you didn't expect that mission to pass and it scared the shit out of me the thought that you were planning to frame me with tvk as your accomplice.


So you had the feeling you were going to be framed and still you didn't think it would be better if you would advocate a better proposal? At this point, which proposal with ony rebes has the highest chance of passing the first mission?
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Reply #187 - 06/13/16 at 18:24:12  
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 18:08:10:
Leone wrote on 06/13/16 at 18:00:53:
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 17:57:01:
Leone wrote on 06/13/16 at 07:03:11:
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 04:17:08:
I'm not going on a mission with TvK unless Zweibel is on it. Zweibel and TvK are pretty much the strongest players, haven't seen Zweibel yet but I know he has past experience. I also have to resistance lean on Zweibel, and being the strong player that I think he is, I doubt either Zweibel or TvK would fail it in fear of being found out by the other unless they're both spies but even then they might pass it because of this speculation.

So I'd be willing to go on a mission with both Zweibel and TvK.


Why would you want to only go on a mission with these two? How do we know you aren't just wanting to go with the two on whom you have strong resistance leans and passing that mission, specifically to validate yourself and draw attention elsewhere? This whole strategy of piggy-backing with the players you deem strongest seems fishy to me.

If the goal is to pass this mission, then I'm leaning toward selecting myself, Zwiebel, and TvK, as their posts give me resistance leans on them. However, if the goal is to gather as much info as possible, then I'm thinking we should send TvK/myself, along with TYG and someone other than Zwiebel. If we're willing to sacrifice this mission (which I personally think is too risky a strategy, but I could be swayed otherwise), then sending TvK/myself, TvK/TYG, someone like Racer/YS would tell us much more, because I believe a more experienced spy (not TYG/YS) would be better able to divert attention from themselves in the post-mission investigations which would ensue if the mission fails, therefore confusing our efforts to pass future missions.


My thoughts about TvK were more of a gut feeling actually, so I think you Leone are more suspicious because I hated this post here.


Care to elaborate? Right now it just looks like you're feeling suspicious of whoever turns the spotlight on you. (re: TvK)


You're proposal for the mission that wasn't supposed to pass (info mission) was you tvk and me. I already had a small spy lean on TvK. But this told me that you didn't expect that mission to pass and it scared the shit out of me the thought that you were planning to frame me with tvk as your accomplice.


I put those ideas on the table because, frankly, I know based on your past gameplay that you'll be bad at hiding your alignment if you're a spy. By that same logic, I proposed someone besides Zwiebel in that hypothetical group because 1.) I haven't observed Zwiebel's playstyle before, so having him on a failed mission wouldn't teach me much, and 2.) because I think he'd be better at hiding his alignment as a spy, based on the fact that he's played these games before. I included TvK because he gives me the strongest resistance lean of everyone playing. Obviously if we want to gather information from a failed mission then sending individuals on which we have a neutral lean/who we know we'd be able to root out easily as spy post-mission would be a viable strategy.
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Reply #188 - 06/13/16 at 18:37:03  
Ummm I did propose better missions than me you and Leone tvk lol. I hated the idea of that one.

Leone, you litterally implied I was spy because of your strong resistance lean on tvk. This told me you, and possibly tvk also, were planning to frame me.
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Reply #189 - 06/13/16 at 18:38:17  
And I mean, I thought I did decent as mafia in game 1 and just thought I had unlucky breaks lol
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Reply #190 - 06/13/16 at 18:45:51  
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 18:37:03:
Ummm I did propose better missions than me you and Leone tvk lol. I hated the idea of that one.

Leone, you litterally implied I was spy because of your strong resistance lean on tvk. This told me you, and possibly tvk also, were planning to frame me.


Yes, okay. We know you think both Leone and I are spies. This would obviously mean you would reject any proposal made by any of us. But then it's up to Yoshistar. Which proposal would you advice Yoshistar to make?
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Reply #191 - 06/13/16 at 18:53:55  
Sorry,  where does YS come in? I don't follow.
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Reply #192 - 06/13/16 at 18:59:49  
johnboy81918 wrote on 06/08/16 at 19:40:07:
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Leone makes the first proposal. I make the second one? You think we're both spies, so chances are that our proposals will not be accepted. Next mission leader is Yoshistar. Do you think you can convince him to make a proposal of only people you think are rebels?
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Reply #193 - 06/13/16 at 19:06:21  
Yeah, I think we could get an all rebel roster.
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Reply #194 - 06/13/16 at 19:16:19  
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Which proposal would you advice Yoshistar to make?

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Reply #195 - 06/13/16 at 19:22:31  
TvK wrote on 06/13/16 at 19:16:19:
TvK wrote on 06/13/16 at 18:45:51:
Which proposal would you advice Yoshistar to make?



Oh sorry,  I think I have a small resistance lean on him based on how he's played in previous maf games. So I think it should be me, YS, Racer, Zwiebel
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Reply #196 - 06/13/16 at 19:27:55  
LewisRichards wrote on 06/13/16 at 19:22:31:
TvK wrote on 06/13/16 at 19:16:19:
TvK wrote on 06/13/16 at 18:45:51:
Which proposal would you advice Yoshistar to make?



Oh sorry,  I think I have a small resistance lean on him based on how he's played in previous maf games. So I think it should be me, YS, Racer, Zwiebel


Note this is what I would do right now. May change based on outcomes of next missions.
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Reply #197 - 06/13/16 at 20:21:16  
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MOD NOTE: I am considering shortening the time for voting/mission phases to 12 hours after this phase ends. Generally these parts go relatively quickly, with most of the time/discussion occurring during the proposal phases. Players, what do you think? If enough players are okay with it, it will go into effect after the current voting phase ends.
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Reply #198 - 06/13/16 at 20:25:28  
johnboy81918 wrote on 06/13/16 at 20:21:16:
TIME UPDATE: Approximately 16.5 hours remaining to send vote PMs. Please format them properly from now on.

MOD NOTE: I am considering shortening the time for voting/mission phases to 12 hours after this phase ends. Generally these parts go relatively quickly, with most of the time/discussion occurring during the proposal phases. Players, what do you think? If enough players are okay with it, it will go into effect after the current voting phase ends.

that would probably be a good idea Tongue
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Reply #199 - 06/13/16 at 20:33:51  
TvK wrote on 06/13/16 at 16:29:20:
This is exactly what I was afraid of. People who are not on this mission and are voting to accept this mission? Goddamnit, this has Spy stank all over it! Zac, wtf man? You don't have any solid leans on any of te people going on the mission? How the fuck do you expect this mission to pass? Ah, no matter, one of your spybuddies is on it so it doesn't matter for you what happens on this mission.


this doesn't mean my vote was final... i still may get some idea of te people in the roster before the end of the voting faze, Heck, i may decline before the the deadline..
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