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Mafia Low Power Game Day 5 (Read 17752 times)
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #925 - 06/01/16 at 04:17:22
 
Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:14:28:
&b wrote on 06/01/16 at 03:47:13:
Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 03:39:04:
Case 2


Suspect - Kyle

Reason - We all know why

Evidence

Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:42:57:
Darius wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:39:56:
Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:38:15:
kyleb30 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:34:37:
Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:09:19:
Let me explain. Zarkov is a strong player at this game, he pushes hard and questions what he sees. When he's town he can be a nightmare.


I may be crazy, but does this seem like a slip to anyone else? Nightmare to who? If you're town, you'd be glad to have Zarkov as town, not terrified of him.

I meant to Mafia. I guess this might be considered a slip but I don't understand why it would be.


Because you wrote this from the perspective of mafia.

Whatever, That's what I usually say about town, even if I am town. Because he is a nightmare to Mafia.


The guy is literally saying this from the perspective of a mafia Huh seriously dude? Not to mention the fact that he says "That's what I usually say about town, even if I am town". He doesn't say he is town, he just says "even if I am town", which brings up a two questions:

1 Shouldn't he be trying to convince us he's town like a smart mafia player would do?
2 He says "Because he is a nightmare to the mafia", directly implying that he is a maf


Wasn't Racer talking in the Mafia perspective? Huh Or am I just missing something here?

Off topic, but nice new Mafia section. The description is accurate  Grin


I know Racer as Kyle because of his Mk7 profile name - Kyle H.


Can you at least clarify who you're talking about if there's two people with the same name in future posts please? Me and Darius got the idea that you're talking about Kyle B not Racer.
Also, why make a case against a dead townie? I don't see the logic behind it.
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #926 - 06/01/16 at 04:18:06
 
New page glitch lol.
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #927 - 06/01/16 at 04:20:29
 
Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:17:17:
&b wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:12:16:
Darius wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:06:08:
Oh hey, it's Sam not responding to me. I'll repeat: what about those posts of Shock's you listed made you think Shock was cop and not just town?


The fact that he was breaking down every small detail, far more than the others which makes the impression that he was Cop to me, and I have no idea why Shock would lie being a cop if he was a Town Vanilla, that could make him look real scummy if someone else claimed Cop. I don't agree with revealing  that early, but you know it was his decision.

Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:03:17:
[vote]Sam F[/vote]

seeing that the majority vote has now been introduced I guess I'll change my vote to my suspect who has the most votes against him/her

Don't vote who has the most votes. Vote who you think is more likely to be scum.


Okie dokie. I'll check into Zarkov and see why 3 people have voted for him. At the end of the day, my vote comes down to how obvious it is that that person is maf. It doesn't necesarily mean that my final vote is you

Yes I know. If you wanted to change your vote to someone else but majority has been reached, then the day is over which would be a waste of time as we could have got more info before the night starts. Just being precautions.
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #928 - 06/01/16 at 04:26:50
 
I didn't know racer was dead until I checked on alive/dead players on page 1 a few minutes ago. Well I guess I don't read through things properly on here just as poorly as I do in *cough* reading comrehension  Tongue
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #929 - 06/01/16 at 04:28:29
 
In the meantime, [vote]unvote[/vote]

I'll try to do a case on Zarkov before I go to bed (It's 9:58pm here and I have camp the next 2 days so I won't be back till mid night 2)
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Reply #930 - 06/01/16 at 04:31:20
 
&b wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:12:16:
Darius wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:06:08:
Oh hey, it's Sam not responding to me. I'll repeat: what about those posts of Shock's you listed made you think Shock was cop and not just town?


The fact that he was breaking down every small detail, far more than the others which makes the impression that he was Cop to me, and I have no idea why Shock would lie being a cop if he was a Town Vanilla, that could make him look real scummy if someone else claimed Cop. I don't agree with revealing  that early, but you know it was his decision.

Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:03:17:
[vote]Sam F[/vote]

seeing that the majority vote has now been introduced I guess I'll change my vote to my suspect who has the most votes against him/her

Don't vote who has the most votes. Vote who you think is more likely to be scum.


So I won't spend much time pointing out that Shock didn't actually claim, I'll just say that a claim is when you state your real role, and not a joke role. At best it's a breadcrumb. Furthermore, breaking down details might make someone come across as pro-town, it doesn't make you a power role. Why did you have such a strong read on Shock being the cop but almost no opinions about anyone else in the game?
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #931 - 06/01/16 at 04:35:56
 
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/28/16 at 13:19:48:
Well.... one is mafia and one is town? Roll Eyes


um...

I wanna see how some of these posts progress before I say anything else.
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Reply #932 - 06/01/16 at 04:38:04
 
DansGame wrote on 06/01/16 at 03:58:45:
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Dan: I'm not really in the habit of drawing hypothetical connections between players when we haven't had any mafia flips. In the event that someone in that situation flips scum, then I'll start drawing connections. I agree that given the timing of Yoshistar's Zarkov vote, it does seem unlikely that he would be mafia if Zarkov also is.

Just a lot of silence from Sam now. I'd like anyone who hasn't commented to weigh in on the Sam wagon and his play today.

I think we need to look really hard at what happened at the end of Day 1 and make our best guesses as to why certain things happened.

I am curious as to why I am the only one really doing that. It makes me feel like I've hit on something and mafia are hoping it goes away or that they can redirect the conversation. Can anyone go back to my post and give GOOD reasons why my Zarkov - mafia Sam - town theory may be wrong? I'm willing to consider other scenarios about what happened at the end of the day but I want to hear solid thoughts from people. I already did the heavy lifting by pulling the quotes, although again I think you may want to go back just to be safe and look at other posts. Relevant info I think goes from post 564 to post 725.


If there were 5 specific people avoiding talking about it, that might be a case for it. Why do you think you've hit on something when you think the whole game isn't doing what you're doing? I think Sam is mafia, so I obviously don't think it's true. As for Zarkov's vote on Sam, I don't really find this that convincing as evidence for your theory. It's much easier to put your vote on a wagon early without much danger as scum - I checked and Zarkov was the second Sam voter, so it's not like he was there making the choice on who to lynch. It's entirely plausible to me that they could both be scum and Zarkov just wanted to distance from Sam, who was contributing very little and could easily have ended up getting pressured later in the day for doing so.
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #933 - 06/01/16 at 04:42:29
 
Fank009 wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:35:56:
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/28/16 at 13:19:48:
Well.... one is mafia and one is town? Roll Eyes


um...

I wanna see how some of these posts progress before I say anything else.

First 6 hours of D1, so obv a joke of mine

Meanwhile it kinda comes true if Vinnie is maf, funny how things work out lol
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #934 - 06/01/16 at 04:57:25
 
Zarkov's Case File

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Zarkov wrote on 05/31/16 at 08:47:14:
These people jumped on the last minute Racer wagon after Shock suggested it:

Tim
TvK (who we now know is town)
Lafungo
Yoshistar
Zoran

This makes me think Sam F is maf, and they saw an opportunity to save him. Lafungo definitely seems different this game, and I suspected him Day 1. More so now. Yoshistar also seems pretty sketchy aswell judging by his activity (or lack of it despite being online) at eod.

[vote]Lafungo[/vote]


He clearly states that he think Sam is maf yet he votes for Lafungo. This makes me feel like he was trying to protect Sam by not voting for him as they would both know if eachother was maf (I not saying they are, I'm just going from what I'm seeing). In this situation, Zarkov looks like the Godfather as he would know if Sam is maf or not. He voted for Lafungo to try to take the spotlight off Sam and himself.

He then later changes his vote to Sam

Reading back on Sam and Lafungo, im pretty certain now Sam is maf. Im still not entirely sure on Lafungo, but hes less of a maf lean to me than Sam is.

[vote]Sam F[/vote]

tyg has gone missing since start of day, and Vinnie and Orange has yet to post. Though il give them the benefit of the doubt as were only 4 hours in to Day 2. Also where the hell is Fank. Has he been coached by Tom to not say anything? jk


This now makes me think that the thhree of them are maf and that Zarkov voted for Sam purely because he wasn't being a team player, (I'm just assuming, don't judge my comment).Nice try Zarkov, but I've blown your cover.

[vote]Zarkov[/vote]


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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #935 - 06/01/16 at 04:58:42
 
My second evidence didn't quote properly so here it is


Zarkov wrote on 05/31/16 at 12:01:39:
Reading back on Sam and Lafungo, im pretty certain now Sam is maf. Im still not entirely sure on Lafungo, but hes less of a maf lean to me than Sam is.

[vote]Sam F[/vote]

tyg has gone missing since start of day, and Vinnie and Orange has yet to post. Though il give them the benefit of the doubt as were only 4 hours in to Day 2. Also where the hell is Fank. Has he been coached by Tom to not say anything? jk



Hope it makes more sense now
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Reply #936 - 06/01/16 at 05:03:38
 
Darius wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:38:04:
DansGame wrote on 06/01/16 at 03:58:45:
Darius wrote on 05/31/16 at 23:59:18:
Dan: I'm not really in the habit of drawing hypothetical connections between players when we haven't had any mafia flips. In the event that someone in that situation flips scum, then I'll start drawing connections. I agree that given the timing of Yoshistar's Zarkov vote, it does seem unlikely that he would be mafia if Zarkov also is.

Just a lot of silence from Sam now. I'd like anyone who hasn't commented to weigh in on the Sam wagon and his play today.

I think we need to look really hard at what happened at the end of Day 1 and make our best guesses as to why certain things happened.

I am curious as to why I am the only one really doing that. It makes me feel like I've hit on something and mafia are hoping it goes away or that they can redirect the conversation. Can anyone go back to my post and give GOOD reasons why my Zarkov - mafia Sam - town theory may be wrong? I'm willing to consider other scenarios about what happened at the end of the day but I want to hear solid thoughts from people. I already did the heavy lifting by pulling the quotes, although again I think you may want to go back just to be safe and look at other posts. Relevant info I think goes from post 564 to post 725.


If there were 5 specific people avoiding talking about it, that might be a case for it. Why do you think you've hit on something when you think the whole game isn't doing what you're doing? I think Sam is mafia, so I obviously don't think it's true. As for Zarkov's vote on Sam, I don't really find this that convincing as evidence for your theory. It's much easier to put your vote on a wagon early without much danger as scum - I checked and Zarkov was the second Sam voter, so it's not like he was there making the choice on who to lynch. It's entirely plausible to me that they could both be scum and Zarkov just wanted to distance from Sam, who was contributing very little and could easily have ended up getting pressured later in the day for doing so.

So you think that Zarkov/Sam m/m is more likely? I think Zarkov keeping his vote on Sam throughout the day makes this relationship unlikely since things were so close at the end. Also, and I have to check this, by the time Zarkov voted Sam there was already a lot of suspicion on him and he was a leading wagon.

Can you go back and look at the end of the day and offer your version of events?
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #937 - 06/01/16 at 05:12:39
 
Jury duty time. We get one morning break for 15 minutes, idk when. Lunch is at 12:30 I'll be back then.
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #938 - 06/01/16 at 05:21:16
 
Was zarkov online at the end of the day?
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #939 - 06/01/16 at 05:48:34
 
Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:03:17:
[vote]Sam F[/vote]

seeing that the majority vote has now been introduced I guess I'll change my vote to my suspect who has the most votes against him/her


If thats how you come to put a vote on someone, how can the rest of your reasoning really be followed?

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Was zarkov online at the end of the day?  


I wasnt as I was at the pub.
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Reply #940 - 06/01/16 at 05:51:11
 
DansGame wrote on 06/01/16 at 05:03:38:
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DansGame wrote on 06/01/16 at 03:58:45:
Darius wrote on 05/31/16 at 23:59:18:
Dan: I'm not really in the habit of drawing hypothetical connections between players when we haven't had any mafia flips. In the event that someone in that situation flips scum, then I'll start drawing connections. I agree that given the timing of Yoshistar's Zarkov vote, it does seem unlikely that he would be mafia if Zarkov also is.

Just a lot of silence from Sam now. I'd like anyone who hasn't commented to weigh in on the Sam wagon and his play today.

I think we need to look really hard at what happened at the end of Day 1 and make our best guesses as to why certain things happened.

I am curious as to why I am the only one really doing that. It makes me feel like I've hit on something and mafia are hoping it goes away or that they can redirect the conversation. Can anyone go back to my post and give GOOD reasons why my Zarkov - mafia Sam - town theory may be wrong? I'm willing to consider other scenarios about what happened at the end of the day but I want to hear solid thoughts from people. I already did the heavy lifting by pulling the quotes, although again I think you may want to go back just to be safe and look at other posts. Relevant info I think goes from post 564 to post 725.


If there were 5 specific people avoiding talking about it, that might be a case for it. Why do you think you've hit on something when you think the whole game isn't doing what you're doing? I think Sam is mafia, so I obviously don't think it's true. As for Zarkov's vote on Sam, I don't really find this that convincing as evidence for your theory. It's much easier to put your vote on a wagon early without much danger as scum - I checked and Zarkov was the second Sam voter, so it's not like he was there making the choice on who to lynch. It's entirely plausible to me that they could both be scum and Zarkov just wanted to distance from Sam, who was contributing very little and could easily have ended up getting pressured later in the day for doing so.

So you think that Zarkov/Sam m/m is more likely? I think Zarkov keeping his vote on Sam throughout the day makes this relationship unlikely since things were so close at the end. Also, and I have to check this, by the time Zarkov voted Sam there was already a lot of suspicion on him and he was a leading wagon.

Can you go back and look at the end of the day and offer your version of events?


Im of the opinion that at least 1 maf was on the last minute Racer wagon eod, and hence we should focus at least some of our attention on to that. It was started by Shock who flipped town, so anyone who got on afterwards could be seen as scum trying to save Sam imo.
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
Reply #941 - 06/01/16 at 05:53:04
 
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Darius wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:06:08:
Oh hey, it's Sam not responding to me. I'll repeat: what about those posts of Shock's you listed made you think Shock was cop and not just town?


The fact that he was breaking down every small detail, far more than the others which makes the impression that he was Cop to me, and I have no idea why Shock would lie being a cop if he was a Town Vanilla, that could make him look real scummy if someone else claimed Cop. I don't agree with revealing  that early, but you know it was his decision.

I wanted to point out how terrible this post is but Darius already did.

I don’t have time right now to analyze your Sam/Zarkov theory, Dan.
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Reply #942 - 06/01/16 at 07:14:44
 
Please do analyze it before EoD and preferably some time today, if possible.
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #943 - 06/01/16 at 07:21:41
 
Zarkov wrote on 05/30/16 at 06:57:38:
Shock where do you get that I haven't explained my reasoning on my leans? I've done that multiple times. Plus Sam wasn't the leading lunch when I went on him. And I stand by my opinion. I just feel you're finding fault with me and letting others slip by. Lafungo is one of your leans, but because he hasn't been around it's like you've just let him off.

Plus I've said earlier that's not how I play. There are others who do the same. I don't have oodles of free time to dig through every single thing.

Anyway, im not gonna be around until after eod as I'm heading to the pub for some BEERS.

This is Zarkov's last post before the end of Day 1. At the time there were 5 votes on Sam and 4 on Vinnie so the voting was close at the time he made the decision to stick with Sam. And remember that Sam was a leading wagon for a long time before that as well and seemed a likely lynch. If Zarkov and Sam were m/m then Zarkov could have tried to hop on a different wagon at any time but he didn't.
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Reply #944 - 06/01/16 at 07:22:31
 
Dan i have an opinion on your analysis, but i already said some things about Zarkov. I want to see others give some opinions.

It is very quite and mafia is laying low right now.  They can do that because town is laying low as well.

I have a lot to say, but i don't want to see 3-4 people talking among each other while everyone else just lay back and indirectly help mafia.
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Reply #945 - 06/01/16 at 07:24:11
 
Just to be clear Zarkov made that post with 63 minutes left in the day.
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Reply #946 - 06/01/16 at 07:27:16
 
no control wrote on 06/01/16 at 07:22:31:
Dan i have an opinion on your analysis, but i already said some things about Zarkov. I want to see others give some opinions.

It is very quite and mafia is laying low right now.  They can do that because town is laying low as well.

I have a lot to say, but i don't want to see 3-4 people talking among each other while everyone else just lay back and indirectly help mafia.

This is fair but you should address my theories before the end of the day. In the meantime try to look for other suspicious things that may have happened EoD yesterday. Back to jury duty for me for the next hour.
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Reply #947 - 06/01/16 at 07:31:29
 
DansGame wrote on 05/31/16 at 23:43:27:
J-Cop wrote on 05/31/16 at 23:17:38:
Btw Dan, I'm not sure what your lean on Darius is.  You say you were suspicious of him for going after Racer, but you also defend him for saying he would switch to Zarkov if necessary.  What is your lean on him right now?  He never actually voted for Zarkov, is it possible he just said that for town cred?

I think it's possible Darius just said that for town cred, but I'm not sure because that's a very risky play for a mafia member to make if it's against a fellow mafia.

It's risky, but it's also possible that he only would have switched his vote to him if Zarkov ever tied with Sam, or passed him in votes.  Basically if it was guaranteed that Zarkov was getting lynched, he would have put his vote on him to give himself town-cred.

DansGame wrote on 05/31/16 at 23:43:27:
Does anyone debate that if we lynched Zarkov and he turned up mafia that it would pretty much clear Yoshistar and cast a very suspicious light on people like Kyle?

Imo a Zarkov lynch is our best option D2.  Kyle starting the Racer wagon to take heat off the others, Lafungo joining it early and also defending Zarkov a few times (I'll find quotes after I'm finished with this post), Honko telling us we should lynch Yoshistar instead.  It would give us good information on these 3 for sure
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Reply #948 - 06/01/16 at 07:43:54
 
Here are three posts from Lafungo where he defended Zarkov.

Lafungo wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:30:20:
no control wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:20:51:
Lafungo any thoughts on Zarkov and his latest posts?

Would you lynch him?

My main concern with a Zarkov lynch is that he'd be a much bigger loss for town than any of the people I listed in my last post. While lynching him would give something to work with going into D2, I feel like a Sam lynch, for example, would work just as well and would only cost town a body at worst.

I still want to lynch Racer, but if that's not possible (and it's seeming increasingly likely), then I intend to switch my vote to Sam.


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Shock wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:34:31:
Lafungo wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:30:20:
My main concern with a Zarkov lynch is that he'd be a much bigger loss for town than any of the people I listed in my last post.


I wouldn't call Zarkov a "much bigger loss" than the people in your list. His post count is low, he's only gone after inactives and has been playing what I feel is very much a "blending in" game, and in my view hasn't brought very much new material at all to the table anyway.

Do you think he can do much better in future days or something?

His contributions D1 are still much better than any of the people in my list. I would also expect Zarkov to be much more useful in the future than the others.


Lafungo wrote on 05/31/16 at 11:24:59:
I stand by what I said EoD1: I think that Zarkov was the worst of the 3 possible lynches. I'm not particularly suspicious of him, and he contributed more than both Sam and Racer did D1 (and I would expect that trend to continue as the game continues).

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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 2
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Vinnie, Zarkov, Kyle, Alaktorn: you're all on Sam with me and you were all in the last game with Sam as well. What do you think is different this game?

Also, Alaktorn, can you elaborate on this:

ALAKTORN wrote on 05/31/16 at 12:08:01:
I think Darius has an ulterior motive for voting Sam with which I agree, so: [vote]Sam F[/vote]


Everyone not voting: why aren't you voting?
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