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Reply #900 - 05/31/16 at 23:43:27
 
J-Cop wrote on 05/31/16 at 23:17:38:
@Dan: your long post makes sense to me, but I read it at 2AM and may not be thinking straight.  If I understand everything correctly, you're saying that if Zarkov is maf, then Kyle and Lafungo probably are as well?  That much I agree with, as I've already stated I'm suspicious of those two already.

Btw Dan, I'm not sure what your lean on Darius is.  You say you were suspicious of him for going after Racer, but you also defend him for saying he would switch to Zarkov if necessary.  What is your lean on him right now?  He never actually voted for Zarkov, is it possible he just said that for town cred?

I think it's possible Darius just said that for town cred, but I'm not sure because that's a very risky play for a mafia member to make if it's against a fellow mafia.

At this point there are four possible role combinations for Zarkov/Sam/Racer.  In what light do people's EoD actions make the most sense?

Zarkov - mafia
Sam F - town
Racer - town (to me this makes the most sense given what happened at the end of the day)

Zarkov - town
Sam F - town
Racer - town (can anyone make a reasonable case for this scenario?  I feel like the jump on Racer at the end of the day and the ensuing chaos makes this unlikely, as does the fact that the Zarkov wagon by Shock didn't gain any initial traction)

Zarkov - town
Sam F - mafia
Racer - town (again I think this scenario is unlikely because of the fact that the Zarkov wagon by Shock didn't gain any initial traction and that all the craziness only happened once it did)

Zarkov - mafia
Sam F - mafia
Racer - town (I think it's unlikely because of the way Zarkov has been treating Sam)

Does anyone debate that if we lynched Zarkov and he turned up mafia that it would pretty much clear Yoshistar and cast a very suspicious light on people like Kyle?
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Reply #901 - 05/31/16 at 23:47:50
 
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Reply #902 - 05/31/16 at 23:49:41
 
This post looks bad to me:

Honko wrote on 05/31/16 at 20:39:21:
I don't trust most of the people on these top two lynches, and therefore I don't trust the lynches themselves, despite Sam and Clark both being really scummy yesterday and slightly less scummy but still not great today.

Let's lynch Yoshistar instead. He's been scummy all game, and yet he never picked up more than a couple of votes, despite TvK doing an excellent job of showing how terrible he was. Smells like mafia wanting to keep the focus on other trains. His vote change late in D1 also stood out to me as one of the worst.

The "let's lynch Yoshitstar instead" part sounds scummy.  Why not lynch Sam?  Why not lynch Zarkov?  They've both looked bad throughout the entire game.  What reason do you have for not wanting one of them dead?  You even said yourself that they both look scummy.   I understand that other players may also look like worthy lynches, but why talk people out of lynching Sam or Zarkov?



Zoran's reply sums up my thoughts pretty well:
no control wrote on 05/31/16 at 23:08:15:
You haven't been posting half of d1 and you show among last on d2 and this is how you enter?

Why weren't you active in the crucial parts of the game so far?

You don't trust wow. Give me us names, be more specific. Also who do you trust the most, names please.

After being away i would expect much more then this. Hopefully it will come.

Particularly the highlighted part.  Why don't you trust the lynches?
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Reply #903 - 05/31/16 at 23:59:18
 
Dan: I'm not really in the habit of drawing hypothetical connections between players when we haven't had any mafia flips. In the event that someone in that situation flips scum, then I'll start drawing connections. I agree that given the timing of Yoshistar's Zarkov vote, it does seem unlikely that he would be mafia if Zarkov also is.

Just a lot of silence from Sam now. I'd like anyone who hasn't commented to weigh in on the Sam wagon and his play today.
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Reply #904 - 06/01/16 at 00:49:17
 
My first suspect to who I think is a mafia

Bradon's Case

Bradon wrote on 05/28/16 at 18:18:53:
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/28/16 at 13:33:55:
C'mon guys, we need more bad Lapungos Smiley


How about [vote]"Laugh-on-go"[/vote]


I'm not sure whether he's just pissing around in this one or if there's a secret message hidden if you analyse it with a keen eye. Firstly, in the post he's quoting it says Lapungos, which is supposed to be Lafungo (well obviously). Then in his quote he replies by voting "Laugh-on-go", which to me is suggesting that him and Lafungo are both mafia as they are having a good "Laugh-on" at watching us fellow town's trying to figure out who is a scum and who isn't. What's even more curious is that straight after he voted for Lafungo in that post he unvotes him

Bradon wrote on 05/28/16 at 18:19:40:
[vote] unvote [/vote]


I believe that this is because he knows that Lafungo is mafia, (as all mafia know who each of them are) and voted for him as a joke then unvoted as he didn't want him to actually get lynched


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Reply #905 - 06/01/16 at 00:52:01
 
for now, [vote]Bradon[/vote] until I do a case on someone else
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Reply #906 - 06/01/16 at 01:08:56
 
DansGame wrote on 05/31/16 at 16:22:39:
The funny thing about my vote at the end of last day was that when I tried to vote it was before Yoshistar had voted for Racer so in my mind I was voting for Sam F to be the lynch instead of it being random.  However since I had just posted right before that it gave me a "your last post was less than 40 seconds ago" error and I had to wait a few more seconds to vote for Sam F...scary stuff lol not knowing if it would come before the end of the day.  Of course all that doesn't matter because if Sam is mafia then there is only a very small chance that I am mafia - why would I vote for him over town racer as a mafia member.  If Sam is town then my vote didn't matter either way.  Where did you come up with the 50% number of me being a suspect for me voting for Sam should Sam be a townie?


My problem with your vote is the timing. It was perfect. You gave an explanation, but still.

I'm playing a scenario here that you are mafia. If that is the case, i assume that you were here all the time and your story is made up. in that scenario you vote for random because as mafia, you would be aware of the situation. I know it is a small time window, but good mafia would be ready for this. And you are a good player.

At this point you have to jump somewhere. If sam f and racer are both town, your jump on racer is the last nail and you will for 100% be a suspect.

If you put it to random with sam vote there is a 50% chance sam will be lynched and you are a suspect then. This is where i get my 50% chance of you being a suspect.

I would like to repeat that this is a scenario in my head, nothing more.
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Reply #907 - 06/01/16 at 01:21:44
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 05/31/16 at 15:26:23:
So Darius/Zarkov m/m could be a thing?


I think so, but Darius has been posting a lot and compared to honko he does look a bit better (referring ti Shock's list and possible n0 read hint).
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Reply #908 - 06/01/16 at 01:59:19
 
Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 00:49:17:
My first suspect to who I think is a mafia

Bradon's Case

Bradon wrote on 05/28/16 at 18:18:53:
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/28/16 at 13:33:55:
C'mon guys, we need more bad Lapungos Smiley


How about [vote]"Laugh-on-go"[/vote]


I'm not sure whether he's just pissing around in this one or if there's a secret message hidden if you analyse it with a keen eye. Firstly, in the post he's quoting it says Lapungos, which is supposed to be Lafungo (well obviously). Then in his quote he replies by voting "Laugh-on-go", which to me is suggesting that him and Lafungo are both mafia as they are having a good "Laugh-on" at watching us fellow town's trying to figure out who is a scum and who isn't. What's even more curious is that straight after he voted for Lafungo in that post he unvotes him

Bradon wrote on 05/28/16 at 18:19:40:
[vote] unvote [/vote]


I believe that this is because he knows that Lafungo is mafia, (as all mafia know who each of them are) and voted for him as a joke then unvoted as he didn't want him to actually get lynched


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Reading a bit too deep into that, if you look further there may be something on brandon though
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Reply #909 - 06/01/16 at 02:26:49
 
Honko wrote on 05/31/16 at 20:39:21:
I don't trust most of the people on these top two lynches, and therefore I don't trust the lynches themselves, despite Sam and Clark both being really scummy yesterday and slightly less scummy but still not great today.

Let's lynch Yoshistar instead. He's been scummy all game, and yet he never picked up more than a couple of votes, despite TvK doing an excellent job of showing how terrible he was. Smells like mafia wanting to keep the focus on other trains. His vote change late in D1 also stood out to me as one of the worst.

As Zoran stated, I wouldn't make me look that bad considering my vote was on Zarkov before Racer, I'm now getting the idea about Sam and Zarkov, so if Zarkov flips maf, that only confirms the theory Zoran got (it was Zoran right?), making Sam look innocent.

About Kyle/Bradon, I agree about Kyle being suspicious of his late D1 actions, I think Zarkov and Kyle could be related.
As for Bradon, I couldn't get much read on him, so I can't really say what to think of him, but he may be a lazy town.
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Reply #910 - 06/01/16 at 02:40:47
 
J-Cop wrote on 05/31/16 at 23:49:41:
This post looks bad to me:

Honko wrote on 05/31/16 at 20:39:21:
I don't trust most of the people on these top two lynches, and therefore I don't trust the lynches themselves, despite Sam and Clark both being really scummy yesterday and slightly less scummy but still not great today.

Let's lynch Yoshistar instead. He's been scummy all game, and yet he never picked up more than a couple of votes, despite TvK doing an excellent job of showing how terrible he was. Smells like mafia wanting to keep the focus on other trains. His vote change late in D1 also stood out to me as one of the worst.

The "let's lynch Yoshitstar instead" part sounds scummy.  Why not lynch Sam?  Why not lynch Zarkov?  They've both looked bad throughout the entire game.  What reason do you have for not wanting one of them dead?  You even said yourself that they both look scummy.   I understand that other players may also look like worthy lynches, but why talk people out of lynching Sam or Zarkov?



Zoran's reply sums up my thoughts pretty well:
no control wrote on 05/31/16 at 23:08:15:
You haven't been posting half of d1 and you show among last on d2 and this is how you enter?

Why weren't you active in the crucial parts of the game so far?

You don't trust wow. Give me us names, be more specific. Also who do you trust the most, names please.

After being away i would expect much more then this. Hopefully it will come.

Particularly the highlighted part.  Why don't you trust the lynches?

So I brought up a post of yours and all of a sudden you decide to vote on me? And you explain this after you've been asked why? This makes me think you're staying low to not draw attention, until someone says you look scummy and goes defensive by voting on that person who accused him.
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Reply #911 - 06/01/16 at 02:42:04
 
lel I also could've made one post instead, my bad.
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Reply #912 - 06/01/16 at 03:36:49
 
no control wrote on 06/01/16 at 01:08:56:
DansGame wrote on 05/31/16 at 16:22:39:
The funny thing about my vote at the end of last day was that when I tried to vote it was before Yoshistar had voted for Racer so in my mind I was voting for Sam F to be the lynch instead of it being random.  However since I had just posted right before that it gave me a "your last post was less than 40 seconds ago" error and I had to wait a few more seconds to vote for Sam F...scary stuff lol not knowing if it would come before the end of the day.  Of course all that doesn't matter because if Sam is mafia then there is only a very small chance that I am mafia - why would I vote for him over town racer as a mafia member.  If Sam is town then my vote didn't matter either way.  Where did you come up with the 50% number of me being a suspect for me voting for Sam should Sam be a townie?


My problem with your vote is the timing. It was perfect. You gave an explanation, but still.

I'm playing a scenario here that you are mafia. If that is the case, i assume that you were here all the time and your story is made up. in that scenario you vote for random because as mafia, you would be aware of the situation. I know it is a small time window, but good mafia would be ready for this. And you are a good player.

At this point you have to jump somewhere. If sam f and racer are both town, your jump on racer is the last nail and you will for 100% be a suspect.

If you put it to random with sam vote there is a 50% chance sam will be lynched and you are a suspect then. This is where i get my 50% chance of you being a suspect.

I would like to repeat that this is a scenario in my head, nothing more.

I mean if I really needed to I could probably prove that I was at a Memorial Day parade - I'm the assistant band director and at around 10:20 Eastern the marching band I teach started marching the parade and ended around 11:40 or so. It was a total shock to me when I jumped in right after that that the choice was between Racer and Sam suddenly and if you look at the timing of my posts you can understand why I got the 40 seconds error message.

Anyway did you read my long post about what a Zarkov mafia Sam town situation would mean? Can you and more people go back and read that? I want to hear more people discuss my Zarkov - mafia Sam - town theory.
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Reply #913 - 06/01/16 at 03:39:04
 
Case 2


Suspect - Kyle

Reason - We all know why

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Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:42:57:
Darius wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:39:56:
Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:38:15:
kyleb30 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:34:37:
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Let me explain. Zarkov is a strong player at this game, he pushes hard and questions what he sees. When he's town he can be a nightmare.


I may be crazy, but does this seem like a slip to anyone else? Nightmare to who? If you're town, you'd be glad to have Zarkov as town, not terrified of him.

I meant to Mafia. I guess this might be considered a slip but I don't understand why it would be.


Because you wrote this from the perspective of mafia.

Whatever, That's what I usually say about town, even if I am town. Because he is a nightmare to Mafia.


The guy is literally saying this from the perspective of a mafia Huh seriously dude? Not to mention the fact that he says "That's what I usually say about town, even if I am town". He doesn't say he is town, he just says "even if I am town", which brings up a two questions:

1 Shouldn't he be trying to convince us he's town like a smart mafia player would do?
2 He says "Because he is a nightmare to the mafia", directly implying that he is a maf
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Reply #914 - 06/01/16 at 03:47:13
 
Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 03:39:04:
Case 2


Suspect - Kyle

Reason - We all know why

Evidence

Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:42:57:
Darius wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:39:56:
Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:38:15:
kyleb30 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:34:37:
Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:09:19:
Let me explain. Zarkov is a strong player at this game, he pushes hard and questions what he sees. When he's town he can be a nightmare.


I may be crazy, but does this seem like a slip to anyone else? Nightmare to who? If you're town, you'd be glad to have Zarkov as town, not terrified of him.

I meant to Mafia. I guess this might be considered a slip but I don't understand why it would be.


Because you wrote this from the perspective of mafia.

Whatever, That's what I usually say about town, even if I am town. Because he is a nightmare to Mafia.


The guy is literally saying this from the perspective of a mafia Huh seriously dude? Not to mention the fact that he says "That's what I usually say about town, even if I am town". He doesn't say he is town, he just says "even if I am town", which brings up a two questions:

1 Shouldn't he be trying to convince us he's town like a smart mafia player would do?
2 He says "Because he is a nightmare to the mafia", directly implying that he is a maf


Wasn't Racer talking in the Mafia perspective? Huh Or am I just missing something here?

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Reply #915 - 06/01/16 at 03:58:45
 
Darius wrote on 05/31/16 at 23:59:18:
Dan: I'm not really in the habit of drawing hypothetical connections between players when we haven't had any mafia flips. In the event that someone in that situation flips scum, then I'll start drawing connections. I agree that given the timing of Yoshistar's Zarkov vote, it does seem unlikely that he would be mafia if Zarkov also is.

Just a lot of silence from Sam now. I'd like anyone who hasn't commented to weigh in on the Sam wagon and his play today.

I think we need to look really hard at what happened at the end of Day 1 and make our best guesses as to why certain things happened.

I am curious as to why I am the only one really doing that. It makes me feel like I've hit on something and mafia are hoping it goes away or that they can redirect the conversation. Can anyone go back to my post and give GOOD reasons why my Zarkov - mafia Sam - town theory may be wrong? I'm willing to consider other scenarios about what happened at the end of the day but I want to hear solid thoughts from people. I already did the heavy lifting by pulling the quotes, although again I think you may want to go back just to be safe and look at other posts. Relevant info I think goes from post 564 to post 725.
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Reply #916 - 06/01/16 at 04:01:10
 
Case #3

Suspect - Sam F

Reason: Suspiciously low post count and exaggerative behaviour

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I keep forgetting this exists.
Orange, fucking seriously? What on earth is that post supposed to say? At the moment you're looking like a massive scum to me, that is not town behaviour.
[vote]ORANGE.exe[/vote]


I don't like this vote one bit. I actually got a really townie vibe from Orange in his last couple of posts. Why would you ignore those and only use the reasoning that others have already voiced to vote him?


First off, he doesn't put any thought into why I made the joke in the post he's referring to

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He's just being plain rude. Especially seeing that he didn't mind the "Lafluffgo" and "Laugh-on-go" jokes.

He also states that what I am doing is "not town behaviour", probably assuming that it will make others think that I'm a maf, when it is evident that I am not.

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Reply #917 - 06/01/16 at 04:03:17
 
[vote]Sam F[/vote]

seeing that the majority vote has now been introduced I guess I'll change my vote to my suspect who has the most votes against him/her
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Reply #918 - 06/01/16 at 04:06:08
 
Oh hey, it's Sam not responding to me. I'll repeat: what about those posts of Shock's you listed made you think Shock was cop and not just town?

Orange: your Kyle case is a case on Racer, who is already dead. Can you try to read a little more closely?
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Reply #919 - 06/01/16 at 04:07:53
 
Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:01:10:
Case #3

Suspect - Sam F

Reason: Suspiciously low post count and exaggerative behaviour

Evidence


He's just being plain rude. Especially seeing that he didn't mind the "Lafluffgo" and "Laugh-on-go" jokes.

He also states that what I am doing is "not town behaviour", probably assuming that it will make others think that I'm a maf, when it is evident that I am not.



@Highlighted section: It's because it was only the first hour or so of D1 and joke posts are understandable, but tbh halfway of D1 is too late to make joke posts, my post came off as aggressive and I didn't mean it to be.

@Low post count and aggressive behavior now: I'm trying to post more. I've either been busy or haven't found anything worthwhile to post or convey. And if you can't tell, my aggressiveness has calmed down a lot, imo I was only aggressive on that one post.

And can you please address my point stated a few posts ago, that evidence was against Racer, not Kyle.
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Reply #920 - 06/01/16 at 04:12:16
 
Darius wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:06:08:
Oh hey, it's Sam not responding to me. I'll repeat: what about those posts of Shock's you listed made you think Shock was cop and not just town?


The fact that he was breaking down every small detail, far more than the others which makes the impression that he was Cop to me, and I have no idea why Shock would lie being a cop if he was a Town Vanilla, that could make him look real scummy if someone else claimed Cop. I don't agree with revealing  that early, but you know it was his decision.

Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:03:17:
[vote]Sam F[/vote]

seeing that the majority vote has now been introduced I guess I'll change my vote to my suspect who has the most votes against him/her

Don't vote who has the most votes. Vote who you think is more likely to be scum.
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Reply #921 - 06/01/16 at 04:14:28
 
&b wrote on 06/01/16 at 03:47:13:
Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 03:39:04:
Case 2


Suspect - Kyle

Reason - We all know why

Evidence

Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:42:57:
Darius wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:39:56:
Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:38:15:
kyleb30 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:34:37:
Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:09:19:
Let me explain. Zarkov is a strong player at this game, he pushes hard and questions what he sees. When he's town he can be a nightmare.


I may be crazy, but does this seem like a slip to anyone else? Nightmare to who? If you're town, you'd be glad to have Zarkov as town, not terrified of him.

I meant to Mafia. I guess this might be considered a slip but I don't understand why it would be.


Because you wrote this from the perspective of mafia.

Whatever, That's what I usually say about town, even if I am town. Because he is a nightmare to Mafia.


The guy is literally saying this from the perspective of a mafia Huh seriously dude? Not to mention the fact that he says "That's what I usually say about town, even if I am town". He doesn't say he is town, he just says "even if I am town", which brings up a two questions:

1 Shouldn't he be trying to convince us he's town like a smart mafia player would do?
2 He says "Because he is a nightmare to the mafia", directly implying that he is a maf


Wasn't Racer talking in the Mafia perspective? Huh Or am I just missing something here?

Off topic, but nice new Mafia section. The description is accurate  Grin


I know Racer as Kyle because of his Mk7 profile name - Kyle H.
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Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:03:17:
[vote]Sam F[/vote]

seeing that the majority vote has now been introduced I guess I'll change my vote to my suspect who has the most votes against him/her


That is just really, really poor reasoning.

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Reply #923 - 06/01/16 at 04:15:42
 
Oh, and racer's dead by the way orange
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Reply #924 - 06/01/16 at 04:17:17
 
&b wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:12:16:
Darius wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:06:08:
Oh hey, it's Sam not responding to me. I'll repeat: what about those posts of Shock's you listed made you think Shock was cop and not just town?


The fact that he was breaking down every small detail, far more than the others which makes the impression that he was Cop to me, and I have no idea why Shock would lie being a cop if he was a Town Vanilla, that could make him look real scummy if someone else claimed Cop. I don't agree with revealing  that early, but you know it was his decision.

Orange Slices wrote on 06/01/16 at 04:03:17:
[vote]Sam F[/vote]

seeing that the majority vote has now been introduced I guess I'll change my vote to my suspect who has the most votes against him/her

Don't vote who has the most votes. Vote who you think is more likely to be scum.


Okie dokie. I'll check into Zarkov and see why 3 people have voted for him. At the end of the day, my vote comes down to how obvious it is that that person is maf. It doesn't necesarily mean that my final vote is you
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