Okay, I'm looking back hard on how things fell when the Zarkov wagon started getting traction, and posts that jumped out at me. Before I felt that Sam was more likely mafia than Zarkov, but now I'm starting to question it and I'm making this post basically surmising how I think things may have gone down if Zarkov were mafia and Sam F were town. My own comments will follow each of the quotes.
Shock wrote on 05/30/16 at 05:04:35:Of Sam, Racer, and Vinnie I'm least happy about a Vinnie lynch. He's just been posting a lot and been all over the place and saying scummy things, but he did the exact same thing last game and was townie.
A Racer lynch flipping scum could tell us information about people who could be his scumbuddies based on some of the posts I've seen from him, so he's tempting. But I'm still wary of him just being an easy target for Mafia to go after due to his rapid improvement from last game.
I find it weird that Sam would show some "righteous anger" over Orange's posts, as if he's been contributing very much himself. Feels like a forced concern tone to me. Of the wagons that are not Zarkov, I find him the most likely to be scum in my eyes.
I also find it interesting that my Zarkov vote got no traction. I feel like if he were town, scum might have willingly slipped behind me and pointed out his scummy behavior as well, as I would think a townie Zarkov lynch would be a juicy possibility from their perspective. But nope. Basically no takers. Makes me wonder if they are trying to get him through the day and not talk about him and try to keep the conversation focused on people like Vinnie, Sam F, etc. and it's not hard for them to do so.
My vote stays on Zarkov for now.
3 hours left guys.
Post 564, Shock finds suspicion that no one has jumped on a Zarkov wagon. At this point there were only 2 votes on Zarkov and 5 on Sam F. Slightly less than 3 hours left before EoD.
no control wrote on 05/30/16 at 05:13:47:I wouldn't like to lynch vinnie either.
I have been going on inactive players lately, but as i said, i think they are probably town. I also explained the reason why i would go for such a move.
I would like to add brandon to this story, but it is too late for that. Pretty much it looks like Sam vs Zarkov.
Lets see what [vote]Zarkov[/vote] has to say about all this.
Zoran soon goes along with Shock and puts his vote on Zarkov. 5-3 Sam to Zarkov. Sam lynch still looks more likely.
Darius wrote on 05/30/16 at 06:40:13:I won't stay there alone if that's what happens. I'd vote for Zarkov if that's the choice.
Everyone else who isn't voting for one of the main wagons: make your final case for your top suspect or choose your preferred one now and give your reasons. We don't want people sitting here not making their stance clear with less than 90 minutes to go.
At 5 Sam 3 Zarkov, Darius is the only person with a vote on YS. He claims that he will switch to Zarkov if he's the only one left on YS. I find this interesting because I was starting to suspect Darius, but IF Zarkov turned out to be mafia and Sam innocent, and if Darius is to be believed about switching to Zarkov, it makes him seem less suspicious.
kyleb30 wrote on 05/30/16 at 06:44:13:This day's been a giant clusterfuck, I'm not sure what to make of it. But here goes:
Racer still is most suspicious to me. He's done a good job of answering questions... without actually answering. Also, he mentions at one point that he think I'm riding off the coattails of Lafungo (#395), yet does absolutely nothing about it. IMO, he's just sitting back now and trying to make sure the heat stays off him.
Seeing as the Racer wagon has no traction right now, I'd be willing to switch to my second biggest scum read: Sam F. Sam's post where he attacks Orange seemed like a desperation move to me. Orange was faltering and getting on everyone's nerves, so Sam decided it was his time to strike. He's also one that's trying to get the heat off himself, and not really adding much at all to the discussion.
Anything people want me to answer? I should be around until EoD.
On the other hand, Kyle, who also strikes me as suspicious should Zarkov be mafia, mentions that if the Racer wagon doesn't gain any traction he would be willing to switch to Sam instead. If Zarkov were lynched and flipped mafia, I think it makes Kyle look very bad as I've covered that I believe Sam is probably innocent if Zarkov is mafia (btw: does anyone care to disagree with my logic there? Again my logic on that is that Zarkov had his vote on Sam for pretty much the whole day yesterday)
Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:09:19:&b wrote on 05/30/16 at 05:28:39:DansGame wrote on 05/30/16 at 05:21:01:If Sam F is town I will have lost faith in the human race.
Since I'm pretty much dead by this point, and I'm going out in a few mins so I'll make this brief.
Well I am. Town Vanilla (a role I wasn't keen with from the start). The reason I was so aggressive towards Orange was because a joke post this far into the day doesn't sit well with me one bit. Even after doing reasonable posts, he just does this:
Orange Slices wrote on 05/30/16 at 04:01:30:Better fill it back up with your juice
Yes, this is only my second mafia game so I'm still really inexperienced and I need to make more of an effort. I probably won't post before the end of the day, so if I'm lynched then see y'all later.
No. I don't buy it. Someone truly town would post more in order to help the town win by not looking scummy. A Mafia would post little in order to not mess up their image. You haven't really posted anything with substance and your excuse is you don't like your role?
I don't buy this. If anything you are a vanilla Mafia trying to look town by posting little until the heat is extreme. Town members will try to prove their innocence by scum hunting. And I don't feel like you have done all you can. Noob or no noob, I net you would do better if you were town.
That being said, you played like this last game, and so I don't know what to think. If you end up town, I'll look pretty bad because I was pushing you hard.
[vote]Zarkov[/vote]
Let me explain. Zarkov is a strong player at this game, he pushes hard and questions what he sees. When he's town he can be a nightmare. I haven't seen that this game. Sure, he's scum hunted when the heat is applied, but I expect him to scum hunt no matter what if he were town. Something fishy is going on with him, and I don't think it's because he went to a sushi bar.
Racer casts his vote on Zarkov with 51 minutes left in the day and all of a sudden it's 5 Sam 4 Zarkov and a Zarkov lynch looks more likely. At the same time he gives people fodder for accusing him and gives mafia another target.
Timothy wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:18:21:On the other hand if SamF survives then he's forced to play D2 or he'll get modkilled. I don't want him to act as a smokescreen for the mafia, if he is in fact town.
For now [vote]Zarkov[/vote]
Timothy votes for Zarkov to make it a 5-5 tie with him and Sam with only 42 minutes left in the day. If Sam were town and Zarkov were mafia, as this post would like you to imagine for the sake of discussion, the mafia is now very anxious.
J-Cop wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:21:27:@Darius: my vote on you was just to get your attention. I wanted you to share some thoughts on people besides Shock, but I have no intention on lynching you.
I won't be able to post again before EoD, so I'm putting my vote down now. To me, Zarkov and Sam appeared to not give a shit about the game. Clark has come around a little bit, but clearly Sam hasn't. And claiming vanilla town is an easy fake claim when there are 12 vanilla towns. As I said before, Vinnie appears town to me because he's acting the same way he did in Shock's game. If those are the three wagons to pick from, I'm going with Sam.
[vote]Sam[/vote]
Three minutes after Tim's vote makes it a 5-5 tie between Sam F and Zarkov, J-Cop casts a vote on Sam F to make it 6-5 in favor of Sam. This could mean any number of things, for sure (I would've voted for Sam F over Zarkov yesterday if those were the two leading wagons), so it doesn't necessarily mean J-Cop is mafia if Zarkov is mafia and Sam isn't. However, that is certainly a possibility.
Lafungo wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:30:20:no control wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:20:51:Lafungo any thoughts on Zarkov and his latest posts?
Would you lynch him?
My main concern with a Zarkov lynch is that he'd be a much bigger loss for town than any of the people I listed in my last post. While lynching him would give something to work with going into D2, I feel like a Sam lynch, for example, would work just as well and would only cost town a body at worst.
I still want to lynch Racer, but if that's not possible (and it's seeming increasingly likely), then I intend to switch my vote to Sam.
Lafungo defends Zarkov and posts that if Racer (town) isn't going to be the lynch then he would switch to Sam F. Should Sam be town and Zarkov be mafia, that looks very bad. He posts this 12 minutes after the Timothy vote. He then proceeds to vote for Sam F instead of Racer 4 minutes later in post 651.
kyleb30 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:34:37:Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:09:19:Let me explain. Zarkov is a strong player at this game, he pushes hard and questions what he sees. When he's town he can be a nightmare.
I may be crazy, but does this seem like a slip to anyone else? Nightmare to who? If you're town, you'd be glad to have Zarkov as town, not terrified of him.
Kyle goes after Racer in post 653. Not even a minute later:
Darius wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:35:02:Of the recent wagoners, I'm really not liking Racer's hop onto Zarkov. Previously he hadn't expressed any suspicion, even though he was asking other people about Zarkov on multiple occasions, and that vote post reeked of covering his back. I will:
[vote]Racer727[/vote]
I'll switch to Zarkov before EoD if I have to.
Darius switches his vote to Racer even after saying his choices were YS and Zarkov. This is the post that I initially found very suspicious from Darius, since it came right after Kyle's post. However, I do have to add that Darius claiming that he would vote for Zarkov does raise more questions than answers on this front.
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:35:56:[vote]Zarkov[/vote] as he's more likely maf than Racer at the moment.
I think this post is very important if Zarkov turned out to be mafia. It would make Yoshistar appear very innocent if Zarkov flipped mafia considering the voting circumstances at the time. In my opinion, the only way Yoshistar is guilty if this scenario that I'm speculating about were true, would be if the mafia made a large-scale coordinated effort for people to pile onto Racer, while having someone less experienced like Yoshistar add a vote to Zarkov just to make him seem innocent. Considering the small time frame in which mafia had to act here, this seems very unlikely (again if the scenario I laid out happens to be true).
Darius wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:39:56:Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:38:15:kyleb30 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:34:37:Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:09:19:Let me explain. Zarkov is a strong player at this game, he pushes hard and questions what he sees. When he's town he can be a nightmare.
I may be crazy, but does this seem like a slip to anyone else? Nightmare to who? If you're town, you'd be glad to have Zarkov as town, not terrified of him.
I meant to Mafia. I guess this might be considered a slip but I don't understand why it would be.
Because you wrote this from the perspective of mafia.
Darius goes after Racer in line with Kyle. Then in 670 and 671, Darius and Lafungo both go after a racer lynch.
Timothy wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:46:37:I'm willing to give Zarkov a 2nd chance.
[vote]Racer727[/vote]
Timothy switches his vote to Racer in 678 and this effectively ends the threat of Zarkov being lynched and puts Racer as a leading wagon. It should be noted that Timothy already had his vote on Zarkov unlike Darius, who only said that he would possibly vote for Zarkov.
no control wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:53:36:[vote]Racer[/vote] because we have more to gain then with sam lynch i think.
Zoran votes for Racer in 699 to make it a tie between Sam F and Racer - considering that Zoran previously had his vote on Zarkov, hopping onto this wagon doesn't look bad for him.
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:58:37:[vote]Racer[/vote]
Since Zarkov lynch isn't gonna happen and Racer slipped badly.
YS votes in 717 to break the tie, again if Zarkov is mafia then this doesn't look bad for him at all considering when he voted for Zarkov.
DansGame wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:59:48:[vote]Sam F [/vote]
I voted in 724 to tie it back up between Sam and Racer and that was the last vote. If Zarkov is mafia and Sam is innocent then this doesn't make me look good and you can read from it what you will. I did actually think I was voting to make Sam the outright lynch because I didn't see the YS vote when I made mine.
I hope this post, while long, helps people look back at what happened at the end of D1. I was more suspicious of Sam F than Zarkov but I feel like things really turned once the Zarkov wagon got heat and that if Zarkov were mafia we would really learn a lot. Feel free to debate me on my rationale here and I'll certainly add more before the day ends and look at other people as well. But I hope people will consider some of the things I am saying. For now:
[vote]Zarkov[/vote]
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