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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #625 - 05/30/16 at 07:11:47

Shock wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:00:27:

I think Darius is experienced enough that if he were scum he wouldn't need any "advice" coaching his partners. The question's kind of useful because it shows who's willing to do the thought experiment and after people flip this could be another point of information we can use to our benefit.

It is not about the advice, it is to get the townie thought process out. I don't think Darius needs any advice if he is mafia. However, townie thought process on what mafia should do is very useful for mafia.

Shock wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:00:27:

Your careful thinking about what to post and potentially tell mafia gives you a slight town lean from me I guess, but the biggest teller is going to be your scumhunting and I'll definitely be re-reading this thread N1 and spending some time reading over your posts again.

I expect nothing less from you.

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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #627 - 05/30/16 at 07:17:41

Zarkov wrote on 05/30/16 at 06:57:38:

Shock where do you get that I haven't explained my reasoning on my leans? I've done that multiple times. Plus Sam wasn't the leading lunch when I went on him. And I stand by my opinion. I just feel you're finding fault with me and letting others slip by. Lafungo is one of your leans, but because he hasn't been around it's like you've just let him off.

Plus I've said earlier that's not how I play. There are others who do the same. I don't have oodles of free time to dig through every single thing.

Anyway, im not gonna be around until after eod as I'm heading to the pub for some BEERS.

Your reasoning on your leans was not very good in my view. They felt like just a mash of players everyone else is suspecting and just saying that you feel bad about them too. That's just blending in with other people, or at least trying to.

I admit that yes I'm tunneling on you a bit, but I'm just not happy with the other wagons and feel like they're too easy for mafia to latch onto and direct attention to. My focus has been on you because not only do you strike me as pretty scummy, but you're also still not a leading wagon and that raises a flag to me as well. Maybe it's just self-confirmation bias, but I gotta stick with the person who I feel is the most likely to flip scum.

Lafungo is back to a null read for me. His posts after I called him a scum lean have struck me as similar to how he played as town last time. He still hasn't been posting enough to town-lean him, but it's definitely enough that he's not a focus for me as a lynch candidate.

"Plus I've said earlier that's not how I play. There are others who do the same. I don't have oodles of free time to dig through every single thing."

This doesn't help your case in my eyes at all. Not putting all your attention on inactives and "easy" targets and sheeping people and laying low is just "not how I play"?

Well, we might not get to lynch you today after all as people are still sticking to the Sam/Vinnie/Racer wagons it seems.

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Timothy Titan Offline 6387 holabolas Cambridge, England Gender:	Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1 Reply #628 - 05/30/16 at 07:18:21 On the other hand if SamF survives then he's forced to play D2 or he'll get modkilled. I don't want him to act as a smokescreen for the mafia, if he is in fact town. For now [vote]Zarkov[/vote]
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #629 - 05/30/16 at 07:18:35

Shock wrote on 05/30/16 at 06:43:18:

Darius wrote on 05/30/16 at 06:41:41:

For those who are talking about coaching: what would you tell an inexperienced player who had been in the last game as town to do?

If it's someone like YS/Vinnie/Racer: Don't read the maf chat during the day and post a lot. lol

Someone more experienced I wouldn't bother trying to coach.

This is my point. I don't think 'doesn't look like he's being coached' is a poor tell. If you can pick up on an instance of the opposite then that's useful, but the absence of obvious coaching doesn't clear anyone in my book.

Zoran: I get what you're saying - I wasn't asking for full specifics, just getting at the point above.

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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #632 - 05/30/16 at 07:21:27

@Darius: my vote on you was just to get your attention. I wanted you to share some thoughts on people besides Shock, but I have no intention on lynching you.

I won't be able to post again before EoD, so I'm putting my vote down now. To me, Zarkov and Sam appeared to not give a shit about the game. Clark has come around a little bit, but clearly Sam hasn't. And claiming vanilla town is an easy fake claim when there are 12 vanilla towns. As I said before, Vinnie appears town to me because he's acting the same way he did in Shock's game. If those are the three wagons to pick from, I'm going with Sam.

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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #633 - 05/30/16 at 07:23:25

I take back my note about Zarkov not likely getting lynched. Stuff happened while I was writing that. lol

So the people voting Zarkov right now are me, TvK, no control, Timothy, and Racer. 3/4 who aren't me I've seen no reason to scum-lean yet this game. Racer is 50/50 for me.

Honko and Darius, your thoughts on a Zarkov lynch please?

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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #634 - 05/30/16 at 07:23:48

J-Cop wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:21:27:

@Darius: my vote on you was just to get your attention. I wanted you to share some thoughts on people besides Shock, but I have no intention on lynching you.

I won't be able to post again before EoD, so I'm putting my vote down now. To me, Zarkov and Sam appeared to not give a shit about the game. Clark has come around a little bit, but clearly Sam hasn't. And claiming vanilla town is an easy fake claim when there are 12 vanilla towns. As I said before, Vinnie appears town to me because he's acting the same way he did in Shock's game. If those are the three wagons to pick from, I'm going with Sam.

[vote]Sam[/vote]

How would you expect Sam to react if he indeed was Vanilla town? And what has made you say that Clark has come around? I don't really notice any improvement in his game.

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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #635 - 05/30/16 at 07:24:19

Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:09:19:

&b wrote on 05/30/16 at 05:28:39:

DansGame wrote on 05/30/16 at 05:21:01:

If Sam F is town I will have lost faith in the human race.

Since I'm pretty much dead by this point, and I'm going out in a few mins so I'll make this brief.
Well I am. Town Vanilla (a role I wasn't keen with from the start). The reason I was so aggressive towards Orange was because a joke post this far into the day doesn't sit well with me one bit. Even after doing reasonable posts, he just does this:
Orange Slices wrote on 05/30/16 at 04:01:30:

Better fill it back up with your juice Roll Eyes

Yes, this is only my second mafia game so I'm still really inexperienced and I need to make more of an effort. I probably won't post before the end of the day, so if I'm lynched then see y'all later.

No. I don't buy it. Someone truly town would post more in order to help the town win by not looking scummy. A Mafia would post little in order to not mess up their image. You haven't really posted anything with substance and your excuse is you don't like your role? Smiley

I don't buy this. If anything you are a vanilla Mafia trying to look town by posting little until the heat is extreme. Town members will try to prove their innocence by scum hunting. And I don't feel like you have done all you can. Noob or no noob, I net you would do better if you were town.

That being said, you played like this last game, and so I don't know what to think. If you end up town, I'll look pretty bad because I was pushing you hard.

[vote]Zarkov[/vote]

Let me explain. Zarkov is a strong player at this game, he pushes hard and questions what he sees. When he's town he can be a nightmare. I haven't seen that this game. Sure, he's scum hunted when the heat is applied, but I expect him to scum hunt no matter what if he were town. Something fishy is going on with him, and I don't think it's because he went to a sushi bar.

tl;dr Sam seems mafia based on his recent posting but he played that way last game so therefore he can't be mafia! So instead, I'll hop on the hot new wagon!

Again, you're worrying too much about your town cred. You realize that if all mafia are lynched, then ALL the town wins (even the dead ones)? You should be more concerned about putting heat on people than worrying if you appear town.

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no control Legend Offline 6571 days karting Croatia,Zagreb Gender:	Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1 Reply #637 - 05/30/16 at 07:28:00 Can we get a vote count? People make your choice, looks like Sam vs Zarkov (vs maybe Vinnie)
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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #639 - 05/30/16 at 07:28:37

kyleb30 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:24:19:

You should be more concerned about putting heat on people than worrying if you appear town.

+1

I know Zarkov has voted people and stuff, but I feel like his attempts at putting heat on other people have been pretty weak. No risky playing from him. I still feel like his game has been an attempt to just blend in.

I know I'm pushing Zarkov hard here, but I'm willing to take that risk and look like shit if he flips town; I feel like my reasoning on pushing him has been sound.

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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #640 - 05/30/16 at 07:29:29

Vote Count (as of reply #639):

Sam F (6): Honko, Vinnie927, Zarkov, ALAKTORN, ORANGE.exe, J-Cop

Zarkov (5): Shock, TvK, ~~ORANGE.exe,~~ no control, Racer727, Timothy

Vinnie927 (3): ~~theyounggun,~~ ~~Honko,~~ ~~TvK,~~ ~~Racer727,~~ DBMK64, theyounggun, Yoshistar

Racer727 (2): Lafungo, kyleb30, ~~no control~~

ORANGE.exe (1): ~~ALAKTORN,~~ ~~Timothy,~~ ~~no control,~~ ~~Yoshistar,~~ Sam F

ALAKTORN (1): Sportsguy001

Yoshistar (1): ~~no control,~~ Darius

Darius (0): ~~J-Cop~~

Honko (0): ~~ORANGE.exe,~~ ~~Vinnie927~~

TvK (0): ~~Shock~~

DBMK64 (0): ~~Sportsguy001,~~ ~~theyounggun~~

theyounggun (0): ~~DBMK64,~~ ~~kyleb30~~

Lafungo (0): ~~Shock,~~ ~~Vinnie927,~~ ~~Racer727,~~ ~~Yoshistar,~~ ~~Sam F,~~ ~~βΓαδθπ~~

Fank009 (0): ~~Lafungo,~~ ~~Zarkov~~

Shock (0): ~~Darius~~

βΓαδθπ (0): ~~ORANGE.exe~~

Day 1 ends on Monday, May 30 at 12:00 PM EDT, or in 30 minutes.

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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #642 - 05/30/16 at 07:29:38

kyleb30 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:24:19:

Racer727 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:09:19:

&b wrote on 05/30/16 at 05:28:39:

DansGame wrote on 05/30/16 at 05:21:01:

If Sam F is town I will have lost faith in the human race.

Since I'm pretty much dead by this point, and I'm going out in a few mins so I'll make this brief.
Well I am. Town Vanilla (a role I wasn't keen with from the start). The reason I was so aggressive towards Orange was because a joke post this far into the day doesn't sit well with me one bit. Even after doing reasonable posts, he just does this:
Orange Slices wrote on 05/30/16 at 04:01:30:

Better fill it back up with your juice Roll Eyes

Yes, this is only my second mafia game so I'm still really inexperienced and I need to make more of an effort. I probably won't post before the end of the day, so if I'm lynched then see y'all later.

No. I don't buy it. Someone truly town would post more in order to help the town win by not looking scummy. A Mafia would post little in order to not mess up their image. You haven't really posted anything with substance and your excuse is you don't like your role? Smiley

I don't buy this. If anything you are a vanilla Mafia trying to look town by posting little until the heat is extreme. Town members will try to prove their innocence by scum hunting. And I don't feel like you have done all you can. Noob or no noob, I net you would do better if you were town.

That being said, you played like this last game, and so I don't know what to think. If you end up town, I'll look pretty bad because I was pushing you hard.

[vote]Zarkov[/vote]

Let me explain. Zarkov is a strong player at this game, he pushes hard and questions what he sees. When he's town he can be a nightmare. I haven't seen that this game. Sure, he's scum hunted when the heat is applied, but I expect him to scum hunt no matter what if he were town. Something fishy is going on with him, and I don't think it's because he went to a sushi bar.

tl;dr Sam seems mafia based on his recent posting but he played that way last game so therefore he can't be mafia! So instead, I'll hop on the hot new wagon!

Again, you're worrying too much about your town cred. You realize that if all mafia are lynched, then ALL the town wins (even the dead ones)? You should be more concerned about putting heat on people than worrying if you appear town.

As I wrote that tangent of anger, I realized Sam is a 50-50 chance of being Mafia considering how he played last game, while Zarkov looks more scummy and therefore he would be the better lynch. I wrote my reasons why I want to lynch Zarkov didn't I? Even if it is tl;dr status, if you scum my last paragraph and see why Zarkov is so scummy.

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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #643 - 05/30/16 at 07:30:20

no control wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:20:51:

Lafungo any thoughts on Zarkov and his latest posts?

Would you lynch him?

My main concern with a Zarkov lynch is that he'd be a much bigger loss for town than any of the people I listed in my last post. While lynching him would give something to work with going into D2, I feel like a Sam lynch, for example, would work just as well and would only cost town a body at worst.

I still want to lynch Racer, but if that's not possible (and it's seeming increasingly likely), then I intend to switch my vote to Sam.

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Re: Mafia Low Power Game Day 1
Reply #647 - 05/30/16 at 07:31:30

Shock wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:28:37:

kyleb30 wrote on 05/30/16 at 07:24:19:

You should be more concerned about putting heat on people than worrying if you appear town.

+1

I know Zarkov has voted people and stuff, but I feel like his attempts at putting heat on other people have been pretty weak. No risky playing from him. I still feel like his game has been an attempt to just blend in.

I know I'm pushing Zarkov hard here, but I'm willing to take that risk and look like shit if he flips town; I feel like my reasoning on pushing him has been sound.

And I agree, Zarkov looks like the better lynch to me. That post showed my thought process, even though you guys question it.

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