Shock wrote on 05/29/16 at 10:30:28:


I know you've already said that you think Orange is probably a clueless townie, but how is he different from for example Bradon? Is his vote on Honko a joke vote, or is he a genuine clueless townie just following up the last vote cast before he posted? His other post is definitely a joke post, even laughing with the person he voted (which would mean, his main scumread). What about his posts makes it that he doesn't get a spot on your list?

Lafungo was also fairly quiet last game as a townie.  I'd be interested to hear more from him, but I have more of a problem with Sam F posting only once, jumping on a wagon, and not saying anything since.  Any reason you left Orange off your list, shock, since he's only posted twice?  Zarkov's lynch idea isn't good but I don't think it makes him appear more scummy because I think he was bringing attention to Gaff's lack of participation more than actually trying to lead a real wagon on him yet.

Vinnie's last post sounds like he's trying to justify him being quiet for awhile so that he can receive mafia chat coaching.  Like I said in response to Zoran, only a small part of 1 post came off as town from him when the rest appeared scummy.

[vote]Vinnie927[/vote]

Vinnie927 wrote on 05/29/16 at 10:32:04:

The bolded part sounds so scummy.  It sounds like you are waiting to be directed by someone else in mafia chat about who you should call out as a mafia lean.

Does anyone suspect those who are provoking me to make me say something stupid?

TvK wrote on 05/29/16 at 10:38:55:


Orange didn't even joke vote in my interpretation. He just straight up voted. Seems like a weird thing a newbie maf would do, especially given that he could talk with other maf n0. He's not clear by any means to me, but it just seems more likely to me that he read the whole "your vote is your weapon" thing and decided to just wield it right away, cluelessly about things like the significance of voting for someone.

Bradon on the other hand joke-voted but then unvoted, indicating to me that he probably knows the significance of having your vote on someone. I feel like he might've been told by maf to make an appearance then try to lie low, and by not posting much it'd be pretty likely he'd avoid the D1 lynch at least. Also notice that people have been talking about Orange a fair amount but not Bradon. Just seems plausible to me if Bradon is maf that something like this would happen.

Are you saying that the people facilitating discussion about Orange could be mafia trying to direct attention away from Bradon?

Honko wrote on 05/29/16 at 08:53:22:


TvK wrote on 05/29/16 at 10:04:29:



That makes no difference. We dont lose anything either way. Inactive, useless town, or maf. I completely get going for someone we have a definate lean on, but it happens time and again that inactives turn out to be scum. If Fank takes over his role, which could well be maf, and go on to

Ive never understood the "defend an inactive" mentality personally.

(also ive been quiet because I was at the pub)

I dont understand how my vote on Tom is "terrible". He has just as much chance of being scum as anyone else. More so seen as hes inactive.

Shock keeps advocating scumhunting, but does none of it himself.

Vinnie, did I miss someone else saying that they weren't going to post again until they had five semi-confident mafia leans, or else something to that effect?

Went back through the thread and yeah Sam's only made the one post and it's a pretty bad one. Sam F? more like S Maf.

kyle and Bradon have both been inactive as well but their few posts don't look quite as bad to me as Sam's single post. For reference:
&b wrote on 05/28/16 at 14:01:25:


This is the kind of inactive that we have to worry about. The ones who post just enough to not get modkilled/replaced but no more.

[vote]Sam F[/vote]

Ah, a nice 150 posts to catch up on, where to start?

I think we've talked enough about Shock's role post, I'd like to add that although it can be considered fluff, it helped us get the real conversations rolling, and led us to many of the leads we have now.

I think Daniel brings up good points when he says we need to keep posting to overwhelm the mafia, but it all comes across as fluff posts and doesn't add much. Would like to see him go after some people and see what he can dig up.

I think Honko has every right to be suspicious of Vinnie. Their interaction was pretty much Vinnie calls some people out, Honko says that seems scummy, Vinnie think Honko's scum. It's such a thin and weak connection, Vinnie's logic is hard to follow. That being said, this is how Vinnie played the last game (making tons of fairly weak accusations), which is either his "town tell" or he's playing a smart mafia and trying to stay the same. He would be my primary target but...

Racer. This guy seems way too scummy. His posts seem like he's being coached to say the right things and gain town cred, as Lafungo has pointed out. He also appears to be trying too hard to drive conversation and be the aggressor, much different than his previous game. And don't give me this bs "oh i'm trying to look more town since i looked scummy last game" because that sounds like you were told to say that in N0 mafia chat.

So with all that said [vote]Racer727[/vote]

Clark, why Tom over Sam? Besides the obvious fact that he's Tom and it would be amusing, I mean.

Honko wrote on 05/29/16 at 10:57:13:


Youve eloqented (if thats a word) that better than I couldve. In credit to Tom, he hasnt been online since the start of the game, but Sam has. And made one joke post.