Vinnie927 wrote on 05/29/16 at 09:19:13:


I was referring to that post, but i didn't ask you if he focused on you.

What do you make of TYG post accusing you of being mafia?

You are not his main suspect or point of focus, but you are in his mafia list. How do you feel about that, what do you make of it?

And please can you give us your opinion on Yoshistar and Racer?

TvK wrote on 05/29/16 at 08:27:04:

Honestly I was thinking of doing the same early on. Zoran didn’t post much while he was one of the most active/helpful townies in Shock’s game. I don’t see anything wrong with Dan’s post there. Maybe his other posts aren’t that good, but that one in particular looks good to me.

Vinnie is doing a very good job at “testing my patience” (for a lack of better words). Even in Shock’s game his D1 play was terrible and all over the place, changing votes from person to person without much reason, which is why I still read him as town this game early on. But he’s trying really hard to shake off that read.

About Shock, I liked his night roles post. I don’t think mafia would have any interest in trying to help us like that. I don’t know why Honko called it fluff nor why Shock then read that as a townie thing. I kinda understand that mafia would want to go for the easy targets, sure, but that sounds more like a newbie mafia strategy and Honko isn’t a newbie. I think Shock’s post read as town to most people, and a Honko mafia wouldn’t want people to “clear” Shock so it makes sense that an experienced mafia would call out non-obvious fluff. At the very least, I don’t think Shock/Honko is m/m as Honko’s play seems to make little sense at that point.

I don’t know if I missed this or not but, Shock, can you explain why Honko calling you out looked as townie to you?

I’m not sure what to think about Racer. I had a town lean before Lafungo pointed out how differently he’s playing from Shock’s game. After reading more of the topic I see that Timothy is being suspicious as well.

LewisRichards wrote on 05/29/16 at 09:21:43:


This doesn't answer my question. Is there any other reason (quote posts in this thread) that makes you think Dan is scum?

@TvK Not really,  some of his general posting has also seemed scummy. So pretty much the reason I strongly suspect him is what I said in my previous post.

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The fact that I was on the receiving end of his criticism is irrelevant to me. The content is what matters: that he saw somebody might be too easily gaining town cred (and gaining it without taking any risks. People giving me a town lean without me actually sticking out my neck at all would be bad. Town cred needs to be earned.)

The fact that I really, in my own view as well, hadn't done much yet in the game made me think Honko's criticism was not coming from a maf trying to prevent someone from gaining too much trust. Ergo, I credited him in my mind with a small town lean.

TvK wrote on 05/29/16 at 08:27:04:

My read of Vinnie is that he is just searching around for people to accuse without actually having anything to back it up, and that he made that very odd post towards Racer about lynching someone with a 27 last two numbers, also his initial post saying that Shock and Darius were suspicious without backing it up with anything.  I was pointing out that that one post was the only post where I got any kind of town feeling from him, but even so he could've made that post as mafia as well.

Also I wouldn't say that my posting has been unhelpful, I think I made a good point about how a lot of posts can make mafia flustered without having time to think and regroup.  Zoran posted a lot more in the last game than he had so far this time so it's right to question him.  I see that he has posted more, I'll have to read it now.

Shock wrote on 05/29/16 at 09:47:34:

OK, I guess. I can see what you mean with the gaining town cred without putting yourself out there.

Shock wrote on 05/29/16 at 09:38:47:

I agree with this, except for the parentheses. I had the same feeling in your game that I should keep some things to myself, do some bluffs, to try and see what happens without giving too much information to the mafia. So I think Zoran wanting to “censor” himself can be genuine.

I forgot to mention in my last post that Orange has only made 2 posts both of which were garbage. I want to hear more from him. Orange, what are you reading people as? Town/maf leans on anybody? Speak up. [vote]ORANGE.exe[/vote]

Racer727 wrote on 05/29/16 at 09:58:27:


You know what scum's biggest goal is during a game of mafia? Trying to look as town as possible. Which is what you keep on telling us that you're trying to do.

You know what town is supposed to do instead of trying to look town? Hunt scum. I suggest you start there.

ALAKTORN wrote on 05/29/16 at 09:32:35:

For the record I think the night roles post was helpful and I generally agree with the advice in it, it just means absolutely nothing when deciding whether Shock is town or maf, because it was a no-risk post.

Racer727 wrote on 05/29/16 at 09:58:27:


Keep putting yourself in other people's shoes like you did with Orange, imagining them both as potentially town or maf, play with that simulation, and keeping telling us what you think. Put simply, keep scumhunting.

http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile&username=...

It says he was last active on May 27th at noon (eastern time) as of right now anyway.

People who I think could be laying-low scum:

2. βΓαδθπ  - unless I'm mistaken, has a grand total of 3 votes, all of them "joke" posts, which occurred at like page 6 or page 7.

7. kyleb30 - Was here early on but definitely hasn't contributed much yet.

8. Lafungo - Basically saw one easy opportunity to criticize Racer and took it. Anything else though?

12. Sam F - Joke post and back out the door.

21. Zarkov - Left a terrible vote in my view on the Gaff and people have interestingly been rather quiet about it. Why?


I feel like there could easily be a couple scum in this list. People who don't get talked about much and don't talk much themselves with less than 24 hours of Day to go rub me the wrong way.

Since multiple players have discredited my leans, they're probably incorrect (not the leans themselves, but the reasoning behind them). I'm going to attempt to step it up. I don't have time to reread the topic, but I will look over every post from now onward to make my opinions. I will not post again until I have five semi-confident leads or someone has more questions unrelated to this.