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Reply #300 - 05/15/16 at 08:34:23
 
Robertvz wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:29:02:
I think Yoshistar/JCop are better lynches. Why do you disagree with me then since you're apparently so adamant against my choices?

Why do you think lynching inactive players is a good idea?
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Re: Mafia: Day 1 - R.I.P. TNJRFIII
Reply #301 - 05/15/16 at 08:35:24
 
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:30:05:
Robertvz wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:29:02:
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:27:46:
Robertvz wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:10:23:
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:05:45:
Brett, I don't necessarily think that you're not mafia if Vinnie were to turn up as town.  However I think that if he turns up mafia, it does make you look more suspicious, so if we are of the impression that you are one of the best mafia players involved in the game, it makes sense for us to try to figure out whether you are mafia or not very quickly while still not lynching you.


Right so how about not lynching my townreads and instead lynching my scumreads?

How about focusing on someone like TYG then?  He's waffled on a few things and since the mafia can communicate on night 1, if he is mafia and makes it to night 1, they would be able to coach him up and we might not see TYG reveal himself as mafia through his posts.


Because I'm not positive on TYG being mafia, I think Yoshistar/JCop are better lynches. Why do you disagree with me then since you're apparently so adamant against my choices?

Do you have strong reads on yoshistar or jcop?  I might have missed a post or two as I was in church this morning.


If you go back and read what J-Cop has said he's just going along with the flow of the game. He's not bringing any new analysis into the game, which for an experienced player like him (I've seen him play in at LEAST four games, that I can recall, from this forum) is odd. I know he's much better than this. Yoshistar is in a similar boat to him.
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Reply #302 - 05/15/16 at 08:36:57
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:34:23:
Robertvz wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:29:02:
I think Yoshistar/JCop are better lynches. Why do you disagree with me then since you're apparently so adamant against my choices?

Why do you think lynching inactive players is a good idea?


I think lynching scum is a good idea. Yoshi also is somewhere around the middle as far as activity goes. Jon's couple of actual relevant posts have just been repeating what the masses have said and to me that's not indicative of Jon!town behavior.
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Reply #303 - 05/15/16 at 08:38:14
 
I still don't see why we shouldn't lynch Vinnie as I don't think he's really added anything to the game and honestly his posts being so random just give the board more clutter IMO and make it harder to focus.  It seems like other people agree with me that Vinnie seems scummy even if you don't think so.  I don't know much about J-Cop but would agree that I also feel Yoshistar is suspicious so I would also consider voting for him.
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Reply #304 - 05/15/16 at 08:38:31
 
Lafungo wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:31:23:
&b wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:18:55:
Lafungo wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:57:19:
&b wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:48:03:
Racer's now giving me a scumread, as he's not really going off anything significant and he's drawing his own conclusions

How is "drawing his own conclusions" a bad thing? How does that make him scummy?


Racer727 wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:16:28:
Zac (Looks like a clueless Mafia that doesn't know what to do)

He hasn't shown any proof that Zac is a clueless Mafia, or given a real explanation. To be honest, his conclusions seem pretty inaccurate at the moment Zac being lynched would be a waste and he can be important later on.


When he can explain his choices and give solid proof, he'll be less scummy to me. Until then, he has my vote.

Even if his conclusions are "inaccurate" and he "hasn't shown any proof", why is it scummier than just following what everyone else says, like Vinnie for example?

I still haven't crossed off Vinnie on my scumlist. He's still second. He's actually tried to explain his choices, but Racer hasn't done so at all. To make yourself look like a town, you need to be able to explain your opinion concisely, and Vinnie has done that to an extent. That's why my scumreading is more focused towards Racer.
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Reply #305 - 05/15/16 at 08:40:24
 
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:38:14:
I still don't see why we shouldn't lynch Vinnie as I don't think he's really added anything to the game and honestly his posts being so random just give the board more clutter IMO and make it harder to focus.  It seems like other people agree with me that Vinnie seems scummy even if you don't think so.  I don't know much about J-Cop but would agree that I also feel Yoshistar is suspicious so I would also consider voting for him.


If he was this disjointed and wasn't posting hardly at all I'd agree but from past experiences the very top poster is very seldom mafia, Vinnie's got some balls of steel if he's attempting this as scum. It's a good rule of thumb to leave the very top posters around for the first day, even if you might not like it.
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Reply #306 - 05/15/16 at 08:44:19
 
My biggest problem with Vinnie is the amount of noise he's generating with some of his more ridiculous posts, but at this point there are so many more people that look worse than him that he'd be a bad lynch imo.

Also nobody really followed-up on TvK's point which I also thought was important, there are a bunch of people like Dan, TYG, eoJ, kyle, etc. who have yet to throw out a significant vote against anyone (TYG claims his was a joke vote) and the day is still running. Why haven't you (and others) voted yet?
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Reply #307 - 05/15/16 at 08:44:30
 
&b wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:38:31:
I still haven't crossed off Vinnie on my scumlist. He's still second. He's actually tried to explain his choices, but Racer hasn't done so at all. To make yourself look like a town, you need to be able to explain your opinion concisely, and Vinnie has done that to an extent. That's why my scumreading is more focused towards Racer.

Vinnie's explanation boils down to "I suspect this person because other people suspect him". That's hardly better than Racer's lack of explanation. Furthermore, Racer seems to actually be forming his own opinions rather than blindly following others. Making yourself look like town only matters to mafia, finding mafia is far more important to town.
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Reply #308 - 05/15/16 at 08:44:32
 
If he's scum he's posting way way way outside his comfort zone and I don't see why Vinnie would intentionally do that as scum. He's got enough heat that people are just ignoring what he's saying anyway so "steering the town down wrong paths" doesn't really apply here.
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Reply #309 - 05/15/16 at 08:47:13
 
Vinnie's not 100% the last person I'd lynch but there's a handful of people (J-Cop, Yoshistar, maybe even Tim) that I scumread more. I've played with Tim before and he's typically inactive as a mafia member but admittedly I don't remember a whole ton about his towngames. But I think J-Cop/Yoshi are the best two lynches, heck they may even be m/m.
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Reply #310 - 05/15/16 at 08:50:12
 
Robertvz wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:47:13:
Vinnie's not 100% the last person I'd lynch but there's a handful of people (J-Cop, Yoshistar, maybe even Tim) that I scumread more. I've played with Tim before and he's typically inactive as a mafia member but admittedly I don't remember a whole ton about his towngames. But I think J-Cop/Yoshi are the best two lynches, heck they may even be m/m.

do you have a strong preference between the two atm? I see ofc you're currently voting J-Cop, is that because you know his playstyle more or are you just waiting for a response from either?
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Reply #311 - 05/15/16 at 08:50:13
 
I'm still waiting a little bit longer to vote based on what other people say, but I'm still thinking Vinnie, Yoshistar, and maybe TYG, I'll have to look back at racer since I haven't been paying attention much to him.
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Reply #312 - 05/15/16 at 08:50:38
 
Feeling better about Lafungo's more recent discussion which looks genuinely like he's trying to piece the puzzle together. Slight paranoia because he's capable of playing a good scum game but I never lynch on paranoia this early. Sam also has had a handful of good posts contributing to the discussion, willing to slightly lean town on both of them.
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Reply #313 - 05/15/16 at 08:52:05
 
Not sure about J-Cop either will have to look back at his posts.
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Reply #314 - 05/15/16 at 08:52:25
 
Web wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:50:12:
Robertvz wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:47:13:
Vinnie's not 100% the last person I'd lynch but there's a handful of people (J-Cop, Yoshistar, maybe even Tim) that I scumread more. I've played with Tim before and he's typically inactive as a mafia member but admittedly I don't remember a whole ton about his towngames. But I think J-Cop/Yoshi are the best two lynches, heck they may even be m/m.

do you have a strong preference between the two atm? I see ofc you're currently voting J-Cop, is that because you know his playstyle more or are you just waiting for a response from either?


I have no strong preference, J-Cop was just someone I looked at directly on my own time and I didn't look as directly at Yoshistar just read what other people said and the posts they quoted of his and I agree he and Jon are similar in that regard. If the lynch came down to Yoshi/Jon I would not object either way, only reason Yoshi isn't being voted by me is because I can't vote two people.
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Reply #315 - 05/15/16 at 08:53:07
 
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:52:05:
Not sure about J-Cop either will have to look back at his posts.


I'll go quote them for you, give me like 5 minutes or something.
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Reply #317 - 05/15/16 at 08:55:06
 
Wow this escalated quickly....

[vote]DBMK64[/vote] since he just confirmed my suspicion I gained after my last post. I suspect Eoj as well, okay maybe we're in similar situation, not even sure how that escalated lol Grin
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Reply #318 - 05/15/16 at 08:56:53
 
I'm fine with lynching either Yoshistar or J-Cop at this point, they've both had similar play so far, promising to post more substantially later on but never getting around to it. Personally, I would prefer to lynch Yoshistar, as I feel that J-Cop would be a bigger loss for town in case of a mislynch.
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Reply #319 - 05/15/16 at 08:58:02
 
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:55:06:
[vote]DBMK64[/vote] since he just confirmed my suspicion I gained after my last post. I suspect Eoj as well, okay maybe we're in similar situation, not even sure how that escalated lol Grin

Please elaborate.
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Reply #320 - 05/15/16 at 08:59:26
 
Here, all Jon's four posts compiled into one.

J-Cop wrote on 05/14/16 at 15:43:38:
This post is to pay my respects to our deerly departed mayor.

I'm on break at work atm, I'll be able to read everything more carefully in 3 or 4 hours and then I'll start contributing.  Nobody screw things up too badly before then.


Nothing to note here, early day 1 and says he'll start contributing later. Ok fine promises are nice and all but follow up on them?

J-Cop wrote on 05/14/16 at 19:51:23:
ALAKTORN wrote on 05/14/16 at 19:31:49:
Guys I was thinking… for the night actions, is it really normal to just let roles do their own thing? Shouldn’t we anonimately discuss (without role claims) what roles should be doing? Like, who the Bodyguard should protect, who to role block and shit… shouldn’t the whole town discuss that?


If we discuss who the bodyguard should protect, maf will know not to target that person and will kill someone else at night.  Same with the doctor, if we announce who they will heal, maf will just target someone else.  Maybe there are scenarios I'm not aware of where it could benefit the town, but we don't want the enemy to know what we plan to do at night.


He makes 2 back to back posts here, in this one he just repeats what others have said, an example of "repeating what the masses say". He doesn't want to go against popular opinion, he's diplomatic here and not confrontational. Diplomacy is naturally scummy because people inherently view being confrontational behavior as scummy so scum try to avoid it, more times than not.

J-Cop wrote on 05/14/16 at 19:53:39:
I've skimmed everything, but I'm gonna spend some time re-reading the first few pages before I post anything with real substance.


More undelivered promises, has really no thoughts despite skimming stuff.


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Racer727 wrote on 05/14/16 at 12:28:33:
I don't have anything intelligent to add. [vote]No Lynch[/vote]

Racer727 wrote on 05/14/16 at 20:09:42:
I really don't know what to think right now, so I'm standing by my decision of not lynching.

I understand that you may not have any leads, but voting for a no lynch still isn't the right move.  This has been explained 100 times already.


kyleb30 wrote on 05/14/16 at 13:40:53:
Brett being the aggressor, will remember that for later.

Don't read into that, it's normal for him.


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DansGame wrote on 05/14/16 at 14:40:24:
I feel like Zoran (no_control) would be acting more conservatively thank he is now if he was in the mafia considering this is his first time playing the game - I think even if he eventually decided to play aggressively, he would have taken a more wait-and-see approach in the first few hours of the first day, at least.


Damn, am i that easy to read?  Grin. Seriously you hit it right on. I feel much more comfortable being on town side.  

Maybe you're telling the truth, but to me this reads like maf trying too hard to sound like a townie.


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His first "substance looking" post. It looks flashy until you realize that the only accusation he actually makes is saying Zoran is "trying too hard to sound like a townie" and even then he's waffling about it "maybe you're being truthful".

I expect much better from him.
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Reply #321 - 05/15/16 at 08:59:58
 
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:55:06:
Wow this escalated quickly....
[vote]DBMK64[/vote] since he just confirmed my suspicion I gained after my last post. I suspect Eoj as well, okay maybe we're in similar situation, not even sure how that escalated lol Grin

What did he do to confirm your suspicion? Also this was the post of yours that really bothered me, since you said you weren't sure how it escalated:

Web wrote on 05/15/16 at 06:35:56:
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/15/16 at 04:58:52:
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 03:45:12:
I'm suspicious of someone like Yoshistar who I feel like would have been posting more if he was town, I think he would take a very wait-and-see approach if he was mafia (like he has) but not willing to vote for him yet.

I stay with my current vote for now, it seems the focus didn't settle on a person yet..... so yes, I kinda wait for the good moment, but I post some too like now at this very moment.

I'll post again when I've finished reading the rest of the posts.

This is not what you should do at all, this post reads as scummy.

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Reply #322 - 05/15/16 at 09:03:51
 
When I say waffling I mean like he's noncommittal with that read. It's the only read he's made, a read based on weak evidence at that, and even in his read he allows himself a copout option by stating that "maybe Zoran is telling the truth." Jon is strongly reading like someone who is afraid to make waves and is posting ultra conservatively. Promises without upkeeping them, and generally just lurking under the radar. I don't think I'm wrong on this vote.
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Reply #323 - 05/15/16 at 09:05:20
 
Would it be better to hop onto the majority vote if you're not certain they're town, or should you vote for the person you think will benefit the town the most?
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Reply #324 - 05/15/16 at 09:08:43
 
Vinnie927 wrote on 05/15/16 at 09:05:20:
Would it be better to hop onto the majority vote if you're not certain they're town, or should you vote for the person you think will benefit the town the most?


You should vote for the person you think is most likely to flip scum. That's how you win. Lynch scum.
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