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Reply #275 - 05/15/16 at 07:10:23
 
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:05:45:
Brett, I don't necessarily think that you're not mafia if Vinnie were to turn up as town.  However I think that if he turns up mafia, it does make you look more suspicious, so if we are of the impression that you are one of the best mafia players involved in the game, it makes sense for us to try to figure out whether you are mafia or not very quickly while still not lynching you.


Right so how about not lynching my townreads and instead lynching my scumreads?
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Reply #276 - 05/15/16 at 07:16:28
 
-OK, quick post-
I re-read and I see what you guys mean about how a no lynch is worse so [vote] unvote [/vote] to the guys that strike me as suspicious are
Vinnie (for reasons we have established)
Zac (Looks like a clueless Mafia that doesn't know what to do)

Those are the only ones I feel strongly about. Tell at me as much as you want, I'm just not good at this game.
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Reply #277 - 05/15/16 at 07:17:20
 
So [vote]Vinnie927[/vote]
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Reply #278 - 05/15/16 at 07:19:21
 
Zac has been cleared due to the fact that he seemed concerned that the mafia could figure out who the townies are. From what I've gathered, the six most suspicious are (in order)
theyounggun (clueless mafia, only saving him to see how he plays at night)
Racer727 (clueless mafia, wants to go off of false leads)
fank009 (others have read him as mafia, I'm not sure)
kyleb30 (seems to be adding little substance in his discussion)
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Reply #279 - 05/15/16 at 07:20:33
 
Vinnie927 wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:19:21:
Zac has been cleared due to the fact that he seemed concerned that the mafia could figure out who the townies are. From what I've gathered, the six most suspicious are (in order)
theyounggun (clueless mafia, only saving him to see how he plays at night)
Racer727 (clueless mafia, wants to go off of false leads)
fank009 (others have read him as mafia, I'm not sure)
kyleb30 (seems to be adding little substance in his discussion)
eoJ (seems to be adding little substance as well)
DBMK64 (seems eager to mislynch me)

Stop saying people are cleared. On D1 absolutely no one is cleared under any circumstances.
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Reply #280 - 05/15/16 at 07:20:35
 
Racer727 wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:16:28:
Zac (Looks like a clueless Mafia that doesn't know what to do)


What makes you say that? Could you maybe quote the things Zac says that give you this conclusion?

Also, you stated your scumreads, but who are your current townreads?

You're giving me quite a scummy vibe at this moment, Racer.
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Reply #281 - 05/15/16 at 07:21:46
 
Web wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:20:33:
Vinnie927 wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:19:21:
Zac has been cleared due to the fact that he seemed concerned that the mafia could figure out who the townies are. From what I've gathered, the six most suspicious are (in order)
theyounggun (clueless mafia, only saving him to see how he plays at night)
Racer727 (clueless mafia, wants to go off of false leads)
fank009 (others have read him as mafia, I'm not sure)
kyleb30 (seems to be adding little substance in his discussion)
eoJ (seems to be adding little substance as well)
DBMK64 (seems eager to mislynch me)

Stop saying people are cleared. On D1 absolutely no one is cleared under any circumstances.

Cleared means that they wouldn't make a good lynch for Day 1
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Reply #282 - 05/15/16 at 07:22:38
 
I mean, that's the context I was using it in...
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Reply #283 - 05/15/16 at 07:22:48
 
Vinnie927 wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:19:21:
kyleb30 (seems to be adding little substance in his discussion)
eoJ (seems to be adding little substance as well)


So what do you think of Lafungo, J-Cop, Walter? Couldn't they be suspicious for the same reasons? And also, you failed to mention Yoshistar, the guy with currently the most votes on him. What's your take on him?
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Reply #284 - 05/15/16 at 07:26:04
 
I don't have a take on any of them. J-Cop and Lafungo were on my list initially, but eoJ and kyleb30 were (in my opinion) the easiest to spot. I haven't made any concrete reads on Yoshistar, but I believe he should be kept around, only to see what his reaction will be to the lynch.
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Reply #285 - 05/15/16 at 07:28:56
 
Zac's not a good lynch at all, he town slipped earlier in the game.
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Reply #286 - 05/15/16 at 07:37:56
 
We're almost halfway through day 1 and nobody has even had more than 2 votes on him. To the people who are not voting: you should start doing so. Or give me a good reason why you won't.
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Reply #287 - 05/15/16 at 07:41:36
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 05/15/16 at 04:34:59:
Shock wrote on 05/14/16 at 20:24:58:
- As indicated in the role PMs in the OPs, Mafia may only post on their forum during Night phases. Otherwise, they may only view their forum.

Doesn’t this confirm that the claims of “mafia would’ve shut Vinnie up” are without foundation? If they can’t post in the forum until the day is over, how would they shut him up?

Yes, this was a mistake on my part. I assumed mafia could discuss during the day, I've never played in a game where mafia could only talk privately at night. While it does invalidate the argument I used in my last post, I still find it unlikely that Vinnie is mafia at this point, because it's unusual for a newbie to post so much as mafia.

As for lynching Vinnie to get info on Brett, that's a bad idea considering there are much better ways to get info on Brett given this game's setup.

ALAKTORN wrote on 05/15/16 at 04:34:59:
Also I was thinking– if we lynch someone on day 1, that would mean they won’t get to act at night, right…? And this game is filled with power roles. I can see no lynching being a good idea to let the night play out, since town doesn’t have a single vanilla going by the mod’s posts (neither does mafia I guess). At first I thought lynching every day would be simple game theory, but I wasn’t thinking about roles. With these many roles I don’t see why not lynching is as bad of an idea as others have made it out to be.

Because the game is filled with power roles, it doesn't matter as much if one of them gets lynched D1. The information gained from a lynch, combined with the possibility of hitting a mafia, is more valuable than potentially losing a town power role.


ALAKTORN wrote on 05/15/16 at 04:34:59:
Fank hasn’t really done anything to clear my suspicion of him yet.

Why is Fank suspicious?

LewisRichards wrote on 05/15/16 at 05:11:42:
Hey, I'm online quick before I go to chess. There still seems to be that negative vibe going towards me,  but I'm pretty sure that I have already explained my innocence decently well in that I saw a lot of people making random accusations because it was funny,  so I did the same. I litterally said in the same post that there was a high chance of a mislynch... the "obviously fucking mafia" thing just sounded funny to me lol and I picked Vinnie because he seemed the most like mafia to me. I'm not sure about him now.

On the one hand, you're saying that your first post was a "random accusation", but on the other you're saying Vinnie "seemed the most mafia". Which one was it?

LewisRichards wrote on 05/15/16 at 05:24:04:
Sportsguy was giving me a large mafia vibe too. Judging by his posts it seems like he and Brett could be in together,  although I haven't gotten a strong mafia vibe from Brett yet.

Why do you think Sportsguy and Brett "could be in together"?
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Reply #288 - 05/15/16 at 07:42:52
 
Vinnie927 wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:26:04:
J-Cop and Lafungo were on my list initially

Why were J-Cop and I on your list initially, but not anymore?
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Reply #289 - 05/15/16 at 07:45:04
 
I had determined that you weren't as likely to be a mafia as the others
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Reply #290 - 05/15/16 at 07:46:23
 
That's an empty statement. What made us suspicious in the first place, and what made us less suspicious than the others afterwards?
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Reply #291 - 05/15/16 at 07:48:03
 
Racer's now giving me a scumread, as he's not really going off anything significant and he's drawing his own conclusions, but I'm still not sure on Vinnie, although he's seeming to be more neutral than anything. eoJ, Walter, Yoshistar and some other inactives I'm torn with. To make a conclusion with them, I'll need to see them post more and I need to see their opinions etc.
Based off the last few posts, I'm voting Racer as he's he most suspicious to me at the moment.
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Reply #292 - 05/15/16 at 07:50:00
 
I didn't go on anything other than the fact that others had suspected you and J-Cop. Locky's reasoning for suspecting kyleb30 seems reasonable to me. eoJ and J-Cop are almost identical in their gameplay so far, but more people had suspected eoJ, so I felt it would be more likely for him to be mafia.
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Reply #293 - 05/15/16 at 07:57:19
 
&b wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:48:03:
Racer's now giving me a scumread, as he's not really going off anything significant and he's drawing his own conclusions

How is "drawing his own conclusions" a bad thing? How does that make him scummy?

Vinnie927 wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:50:00:
I didn't go on anything other than the fact that others had suspected you and J-Cop. Locky's reasoning for suspecting kyleb30 seems reasonable to me. eoJ and J-Cop are almost identical in their gameplay so far, but more people had suspected eoJ, so I felt it would be more likely for him to be mafia.

So your entire gameplan revolves around suspecting people based on the number of other people who suspect them? I'm at a loss for words.
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Reply #294 - 05/15/16 at 08:01:44
 
That's not the sole reason. The town is supposed to work together, and I was using other people's leads to determine who I thought the mafia was. Since eoJ's case was more notable in my eyes, I had felt he might be slightly more likely as a mafia. Obviously, J-Cop is still a serious suspect (and he is 7th on my list, but since there are only six mafia, I didn't see a point in listing any more)
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Reply #295 - 05/15/16 at 08:18:55
 
Lafungo wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:57:19:
&b wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:48:03:
Racer's now giving me a scumread, as he's not really going off anything significant and he's drawing his own conclusions

How is "drawing his own conclusions" a bad thing? How does that make him scummy?


Racer727 wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:16:28:
Zac (Looks like a clueless Mafia that doesn't know what to do)

He hasn't shown any proof that Zac is a clueless Mafia, or given a real explanation. To be honest, his conclusions seem pretty inaccurate at the moment Zac being lynched would be a waste and he can be important later on.


When he can explain his choices and give solid proof, he'll be less scummy to me. Until then, he has my vote.
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Reply #296 - 05/15/16 at 08:27:46
 
Robertvz wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:10:23:
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:05:45:
Brett, I don't necessarily think that you're not mafia if Vinnie were to turn up as town.  However I think that if he turns up mafia, it does make you look more suspicious, so if we are of the impression that you are one of the best mafia players involved in the game, it makes sense for us to try to figure out whether you are mafia or not very quickly while still not lynching you.


Right so how about not lynching my townreads and instead lynching my scumreads?

How about focusing on someone like TYG then?  He's waffled on a few things and since the mafia can communicate on night 1, if he is mafia and makes it to night 1, they would be able to coach him up and we might not see TYG reveal himself as mafia through his posts.
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Reply #297 - 05/15/16 at 08:29:02
 
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:27:46:
Robertvz wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:10:23:
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:05:45:
Brett, I don't necessarily think that you're not mafia if Vinnie were to turn up as town.  However I think that if he turns up mafia, it does make you look more suspicious, so if we are of the impression that you are one of the best mafia players involved in the game, it makes sense for us to try to figure out whether you are mafia or not very quickly while still not lynching you.


Right so how about not lynching my townreads and instead lynching my scumreads?

How about focusing on someone like TYG then?  He's waffled on a few things and since the mafia can communicate on night 1, if he is mafia and makes it to night 1, they would be able to coach him up and we might not see TYG reveal himself as mafia through his posts.


Because I'm not positive on TYG being mafia, I think Yoshistar/JCop are better lynches. Why do you disagree with me then since you're apparently so adamant against my choices?
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Reply #298 - 05/15/16 at 08:30:05
 
Robertvz wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:29:02:
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:27:46:
Robertvz wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:10:23:
DansGame wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:05:45:
Brett, I don't necessarily think that you're not mafia if Vinnie were to turn up as town.  However I think that if he turns up mafia, it does make you look more suspicious, so if we are of the impression that you are one of the best mafia players involved in the game, it makes sense for us to try to figure out whether you are mafia or not very quickly while still not lynching you.


Right so how about not lynching my townreads and instead lynching my scumreads?

How about focusing on someone like TYG then?  He's waffled on a few things and since the mafia can communicate on night 1, if he is mafia and makes it to night 1, they would be able to coach him up and we might not see TYG reveal himself as mafia through his posts.


Because I'm not positive on TYG being mafia, I think Yoshistar/JCop are better lynches. Why do you disagree with me then since you're apparently so adamant against my choices?

Do you have strong reads on yoshistar or jcop?  I might have missed a post or two as I was in church this morning.
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Reply #299 - 05/15/16 at 08:31:23
 
&b wrote on 05/15/16 at 08:18:55:
Lafungo wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:57:19:
&b wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:48:03:
Racer's now giving me a scumread, as he's not really going off anything significant and he's drawing his own conclusions

How is "drawing his own conclusions" a bad thing? How does that make him scummy?


Racer727 wrote on 05/15/16 at 07:16:28:
Zac (Looks like a clueless Mafia that doesn't know what to do)

He hasn't shown any proof that Zac is a clueless Mafia, or given a real explanation. To be honest, his conclusions seem pretty inaccurate at the moment Zac being lynched would be a waste and he can be important later on.


When he can explain his choices and give solid proof, he'll be less scummy to me. Until then, he has my vote.

Even if his conclusions are "inaccurate" and he "hasn't shown any proof", why is it scummier than just following what everyone else says, like Vinnie for example?
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