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Reply #1500 - 05/19/16 at 03:25:48
 
OK that's fine then. Obviously if I was backed it'd be unethical to keep posting but here I am!
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Reply #1501 - 05/19/16 at 03:28:25
 
no control wrote on 05/18/16 at 10:25:48:
I created some categories based on voting.

1. Yoshistar wagon -> j-cop wagon (very bad choice)

2. j-cop wagon (bad choice)

3. Yoshistar wagon when it was scary (best of 3)

People in the 1st category are:

thewebinator, Racer727, alaktorn, theyounggun

We already caught 1 maf here (unless he comes in and explains). Can you 3 tell us what you think about 2 other people on the list? If you have opinions on other people, that would be fine as well, but concentrate on other 2 from the list.

List # 2 - j-cop wagon

Brett, Yoshistar, no control, zarkov, fank, sportsguy, locky

Why did you vote for j-cop, any thoughts on people who ended the day in j-cop wagon? Maybe someone else?

List # 3 :

Sam-F, DBMK64, TvK,Vinnie

Judging by the votes and web status, group 1 should contain at least 1 maf?

People on group 2 have voted a townie out, who is most likely to be maf there?

Are people on group 3 townies?

Townies come out, post your opinions and townie/maf lists, we need to keep this alive as TvK stated.


I like this post a lot. In the first category, I oviously think TYG would be the other maf, besides Web. ALAKTORN is town, I believe. He was following Brett's lead all day long and townread him until the very end, so it would make sense that Brett could honestly convince him. Racer, I'm still not sure about him. I would say his claim woould keep him alive at this moment, because we can probably confirm that tomorrow.

I actually think this is a good list because the scum could have spread into all of the groups (that is, if Yoshistar really is town).
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Reply #1502 - 05/19/16 at 03:29:13
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 05/18/16 at 10:26:29:
Sportsguy001 wrote on 05/18/16 at 06:34:07:
I'm curious why Brett protected lafungo instead of joe or zarkov.  That's assuming we believe lafungo. So lafungo 90% town.

I don’t.

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Joe Reinreb wrote on 05/18/16 at 09:14:59:
Agree entirely.

Did we reach a consensus on who I should be watching tonight, by the way?

Watch me or TvK.

Why do you think that’s a good idea?


Because if Web flips scum, that would mean we're confirmed town. Which then would mean we're the most likely to be killed/blackmailed/framed.
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Reply #1503 - 05/19/16 at 03:31:41
 
LewisRichards wrote on 05/18/16 at 10:54:27:
And for the J-Cop vote, Brett was pushing it and I guess he had me convinced,  so that's why I switched.


This is one of the biggest red flags that make me think you are maf, as I have already pointed out in a previous post. Is there nothing else you have to say for yourself?
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Reply #1504 - 05/19/16 at 03:32:42
 
Fank009 wrote on 05/18/16 at 17:18:57:
But basically anyone who casts some suspicion is worth a block target.

I’m just afraid we might target a townie with a role block.

DansGame wrote on 05/18/16 at 19:05:39:
This has probably been said already but Web has to be the lynch today.  If Web flips mafia it absolutely clears Zoran and Sam F completely because why would two consorts visit the same person.  Blackmailer obviously didn't visit TvK last night and if framer visits he's not visible to the town.

Just to throw it out there but, Janitor could actually have visited TvK as well.

no control wrote on 05/18/16 at 23:26:47:
Fank009 wrote on 05/18/16 at 21:41:04:
Call me selfish, I just want the day to end cause I have nothing else to learn,  (or so I feel)


Even if you feel like there is nothing to learn, there is no reason to prolong the night for scum. Pls unvote someone.

I don’t think that’s how it works…? Night should still only last 24 hours I believe. Am I wrong?
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Reply #1505 - 05/19/16 at 03:38:36
 
LewisRichards wrote on 05/18/16 at 11:11:08:
no control wrote on 05/18/16 at 11:01:17:
LewisRichards wrote on 05/18/16 at 10:54:27:
I've explained both my votes on YS and my J-Cop vote. To sum them up, I legitimately thought YS was maf after him saying he didn't really want to defend himself anymore. And for the J-Cop vote, Brett was pushing it and I guess he had me convinced,  so that's why I switched.


Thank you for your answer, but I have asked about an opinion on others not what you thought about Yoshistar/j-cop day 1.

What do you think about racer and alaktorn who voter yoshistar and the switched to j-cop?
What do you think of other people who ended the day on j-cop? (Yoshistar, no control, zarkov, fank, sportsguy, locky)


Oh I see, alaktorn is probably town.
Racer I have no idea, we're probably lynching thewebinator today so that will give racer a chance to prove he's a backer tomorrow.
YS I'm still suspicious of,  I'm sort of confused on what  to think of him.
Zarkov is probably town.
fank I still don't know what to think, maybe town? Idk
Sportsguy is fishy, I don't like his attacks on me especially when he clearly doesn't listen to my responses and says stuff like I have a 75% chance of being mafia.
Locky seems like town, I haven't really paid enough attention to him yet. But still seems like town.
You, a lot of people are getting town reads on you. I was suspicious of you d1, but you've started contributing a lot d2 so probably town.


What I think is very suspicious about this post:

For example, one of the things maf always seem to try and do is sheep the general opinion of the town. Most of the time they try to camouflage it by giving other reasons why they believe someone is town/maf, but Tyg just nicely laid it out for us.

Also, notice that he is unable to make a definite statement on someone's alignment. This guy is probably town. The other guy "seems" town to me.

Another thing: he apparently only townreads people on this list. It's like he's deliberately leaving his scumbuddies out of this list. Maybe to take the spotlight away from them. Maybe becasue he's just unable to prove their towniness in any way. The only maf read he does have is sportsguy, and that's only because he's fishy (quotes please) and because he's attacking him. Okay then. Also, he probably failed to see I've made some attacking cases against him, so that should make me fishy as well, right?
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Reply #1506 - 05/19/16 at 03:40:59
 
Zarkov wrote on 05/18/16 at 12:01:47:
I wonder if its worth noting that quite a few of the people with their votes on Web have all been suspected as maf.

tyg, kyle, DB, and vinnie have all been suspected at one point or another, with tyg and DB drawing quite a lot of heat.

On the other side, very strong suspected townsfolk are not on him as of yet. TvK, no control, and Joe.

Maybe Webs slip was genuine, and maf are trying to push it?


I'm being careful as I'm backed at this point. I don't want to end the day early if there for example would be another backed person already on Web.
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Reply #1507 - 05/19/16 at 03:42:25
 
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/18/16 at 12:21:23:
I'm starting to believe sportsguy could be maf as well, not much contribution so far since D1, his actions on D1 aren't very clear either, I'm not that confident yet he could be mafia though....


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Reply #1508 - 05/19/16 at 03:45:15
 
no control wrote on 05/19/16 at 02:58:56:
You are one of the few people who didn't show any doubts.


I definetly wasn't 100% sure he was mafia though, I had a mafia lean on him and decided to push him to form a second wagon

no control wrote on 05/19/16 at 02:58:56:
How do you feel about Kyleb now?


He contributed well at the start of D2 in regards to trying to figure out whether the claims are legit or not, which makes him look more town-like as he's trying to actually make sense of the game

But I really don't know what to make of his latest posts. He tried to make me out as if I was suspicious and he backflipped shortly after and seemed demoralized, and we haven't heard from him since

tl;dr His D2 has been better than his D1, but he may have been coached to contribute more so he's still a slight mafia lean for me

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Reply #1509 - 05/19/16 at 04:00:58
 
Timothy wrote on 05/19/16 at 03:11:46:
That's not true. What do you think about my post on Lafungo a few pages back, for example? YS seemed to be the clear consensus on D1 and ended up surviving. That being said, we don't have any one massively active/influential townie talking.


I guess you're talking about #1393?

I certainly haven't bought into the Lafungo claim as I've had a slight mafia lean on already but unless there's evidence to dispute his claim he's off my radar for now. I think we could catch him out as we get into late game considering the probable inevitable mass claim and all interactions he would've had with the dead players.

If his claim is legit then I think the choice for the mafia's kill would've been someone who contributed decently and who was also on the Yoshistar wagon [as they probably thought they could cast suspicion onto those on the J-Cop wagon and set up mislynches]. Lafungo made a fair few posts D1 so maybe Brett was on the same brainwave as mafia and got lucky. Shrug

Comparing the YS "consensus" D1 and Web's D2 is bizarre though. YS didn't slip that badly like Web has done
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Reply #1510 - 05/19/16 at 04:10:13
 
Day ends in 4 hours, 50 minutes. 10 effective votes are needed to reach majority.

I checked the last few pages, and I do not think a majority vote was reached at any time, but it reached 9 player votes at some point/places.

8 - thewebinator (theyounggun, DBMK64, kyleb30, Vinnie927, Sam F, eoJ, Zarkov, Zac)
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Reply #1511 - 05/19/16 at 04:17:08
 
I'm new to this game, Brett's an experienced player. He seemed like a good player to follow. It's hard to give a definite answer obviously,  so that's why I used  "seems like town" in case they are actually mafia later. Sportsguy is different from you. You actually read my posts at least, sportsguy was just like 75% chance of me being mafia out of nowhere and I feel like he hasn't really commented on any of my posts. He said that was his play style, but it still feels fishy to me.
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Reply #1512 - 05/19/16 at 04:25:56
 
LewisRichards wrote on 05/19/16 at 04:17:08:
I'm new to this game, Brett's an experienced player. He seemed like a good player to follow. It's hard to give a definite answer obviously,  so that's why I used  "seems like town" in case they are actually mafia later. Sportsguy is different from you. You actually read my posts at least, sportsguy was just like 75% chance of me being mafia out of nowhere and I feel like he hasn't really commented on any of my posts. He said that was his play style, but it still feels fishy to me.


Why would you wait until the J-Cop wagon was rolling hard before you finally switched? Brett was advocating a J-Cop lynch since almost the very beginning of the game, so why didn't you follow him back then? Or anywhere between your vote on Yoshistar and your vote on J-Cop?

Also, there are a lot of other people calling you on of their top scum reads, without much explanation. Why aren't they fishy in your book? And maybe Sportsguy based his read off of other people's cases made against you. In that case, Sportsguy would be the one following experienced players' opinions. Would that still mean he's scummy?
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Reply #1513 - 05/19/16 at 04:45:24
 
TvK wrote on 05/19/16 at 03:42:25:
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/18/16 at 12:21:23:
I'm starting to believe sportsguy could be maf as well, not much contribution so far since D1, his actions on D1 aren't very clear either, I'm not that confident yet he could be mafia though....


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Meanwhile he STILL didn't answered on his suspicions, he could be worth the lynch D3 if he don't contribute this much.
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Reply #1514 - 05/19/16 at 04:45:25
 
[vote]thewebinator[/vote]

[vote]unvote[/vote]

not backed 100%:

sam F, Locky,tyg,zac,vinnie,dbmk64,zarkov,kayleb,eoj,timothy,alaktorn,no control

Tvk can end the day 15 minutes early as 8 or 9 because why not.
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Reply #1515 - 05/19/16 at 05:10:33
 
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/19/16 at 04:45:24:
TvK wrote on 05/19/16 at 03:42:25:
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/18/16 at 12:21:23:
I'm starting to believe sportsguy could be maf as well, not much contribution so far since D1, his actions on D1 aren't very clear either, I'm not that confident yet he could be mafia though....


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Screw you Roll Eyes

Meanwhile he STILL didn't answered on his suspicions, he could be worth the lynch D3 if he don't contribute this much.


If your only reason for suspecting him is "not much contribution since D1", than we should be better off lynching you instead. Is there any other reason why you think he might be scum? Do you have any clue who Web's scumbuddies could be? Is there any conversation or interaction that Web had with other during this day and the last that sticks out to you? Which claims do you believe so far? What do you think of Fank saying he wouldn't mind ending the day early, but still having his vote on Dan?
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Reply #1516 - 05/19/16 at 05:11:18
 
no control wrote on 05/19/16 at 04:45:25:
[vote]thewebinator[/vote]

[vote]unvote[/vote]

not backed 100%:

sam F, Locky,tyg,zac,vinnie,dbmk64,zarkov,kayleb,eoj,timothy,alaktorn,no control

Tvk can end the day 15 minutes early as 8 or 9 because why not.


Preferably when Web is only at 8 or 7 votes. That way we can be absolutely sure that I am backed, which should clear Sam.
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Reply #1517 - 05/19/16 at 05:12:46
 
TvK wrote on 05/19/16 at 05:11:18:
Preferably when Web is only at 8 or 7 votes. That way we can be absolutely sure that I am backed, which should clear Sam.


Exactly, 7 or 8 it is of course.
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Reply #1518 - 05/19/16 at 05:26:38
 
TvK wrote on 05/19/16 at 05:10:33:
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/19/16 at 04:45:24:
TvK wrote on 05/19/16 at 03:42:25:
Yoshistar™ wrote on 05/18/16 at 12:21:23:
I'm starting to believe sportsguy could be maf as well, not much contribution so far since D1, his actions on D1 aren't very clear either, I'm not that confident yet he could be mafia though....


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Screw you Roll Eyes

Meanwhile he STILL didn't answered on his suspicions, he could be worth the lynch D3 if he don't contribute this much.


If your only reason for suspecting him is "not much contribution since D1", than we should be better off lynching you instead. Is there any other reason why you think he might be scum? Do you have any clue who Web's scumbuddies could be? Is there any conversation or interaction that Web had with other during this day and the last that sticks out to you? Which claims do you believe so far? What do you think of Fank saying he wouldn't mind ending the day early, but still having his vote on Dan?

Web and sportsguy could be m/m, both not active atm, could be coincidence or setup.
For the conversations I have to dig through the posts again, so I'll answer this later.
I believe the claim of the backer, if you can prove this, then we can clear Sam.

As for fank, it could be both ways, but he definitely isn't going with the voting flow, can't be really sure if scum or town, he's neutral to me.
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Reply #1519 - 05/19/16 at 05:30:15
 
Who should I back to prove I'm town?
And about everything going on, we should Lynch web today and TYG tomorrow.
(I'm going to get killed now aren't I)
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Reply #1520 - 05/19/16 at 05:43:43
 
Web wrote on 05/14/16 at 19:27:25:
Fank's big gap in posting that a few questioned likely has to do with timezones more than anything else. I liked his recent big summary post, especially the remarks about the leading post from TYG as I also felt that moment seemed incredibly harsh/bandwagony for an entrance post.

Right now my strongest town lean is Brett because nearly all of his posts have been digging for information from members and he's kept several of the townies honest with questioning. Locky's analysis so far has been on point imo.  

I'm heading to bed soon but I'll be back on early tomorrow to pick back up with the discussion.

That makes me think he's scum, it was quite early in the game, so he would probably assume this wasn't gonna be scummy, but in the end it kinda is now that Brett got killed during N1.
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Reply #1521 - 05/19/16 at 05:44:27
 
@TvK it took me a while to get convinced that J-Cop was a better lynch than YS, so that's why it took a while to make the switch I guess. I also hadn't really being paying too much attention to J-Cop so it wasn't until a lot of people were pointing out what J-Cop had done to be scummy that I realized what Brett was saying.

Zoran only asked me to examine the people on his list.
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Reply #1522 - 05/19/16 at 05:46:29
 
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Reply #1523 - 05/19/16 at 05:58:27
 
LewisRichards wrote on 05/19/16 at 05:44:27:
@TvK it took me a while to get convinced that J-Cop was a better lynch than YS, so that's why it took a while to make the switch I guess. I also hadn't really being paying too much attention to J-Cop so it wasn't until a lot of people were pointing out what J-Cop had done to be scummy that I realized what Brett was saying.

Zoran only asked me to examine the people on his list.


Okay, so go ahead and give your opinion of the other people. Who are your biggest scumreads, apart from Sportsguy?
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Reply #1524 - 05/19/16 at 06:22:17
 
Day ends in 2 hours, 38 minutes. 10 effective votes are needed to reach majority.

8 - thewebinator (theyounggun, DBMK64, kyleb30, Vinnie927, Sam F, eoJ, Zarkov, Zac)
1 - DBMK64 (Fank009)

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