I thought the idea of controller mods in SMK and MKSC was that since there are cases where the effects are achieved naturally, it was ok to mod them to do the same thing.  I.E. in SMK there are third-party controllers that naturally have NBT capabilities and some that can achieve those effects through use over time.  Same with MKSC, using a dpad to wear it down enough to achieve ZZMT could and has been done but its far easier to modify it yourself, which is why those practices are allowed.  I'm certainly not an expert in those games, but that was my impression.  

For the record:

I think it would be a bit ridiculous to remove Sword's run, it was simply fixing a defective controller.  I don't think it gave him some kind of substantial advantage over a normal controller.

I think Hibiki's run should be counted, as well as Suiryu's.  I don't see any clear evidence that they're cheated in some way to give a substantial advantage, and we all know the rules definitely weren't clear when they were set.  I also think its dumb to count one and not the other, just another case of inconsistency.  

I think pausing to gain an advantage should not be allowed, and certainly not HOME buffering to create a TAS-like environment.  Of course its hard to say whether or not runs used this advantageously or not, again the honor system is not great but maybe the best we have.  I'm sad to see Brett's PG runs off the site, but it definitely makes them less impressive in my eyes.  

Let's just remove the record then, what is the point of rules if we don't enforce them.

Doesn't make sense to count hibiki and not suiryu tbh. Suiryu has been around for years and has set plenty of legit runs (not that it should count, just doesn't make sense) and yet we count somebody who just plays the Japanese card and gets away with not following the same rules despite having contact.

I still find it odd that in-game pause buffering (which actually allows for a more even playing field in some cases) is banned but all controller mods are fine? I mean, I get we all can't be playing with the exact same controllers, some break, some are better designed, etc, which is fine. But this auto hop is a clear example that some players will be at a serious disadvantage. Sword is right in a way, these rules seem to be getting more arbitrary by the day. And at this point, we are probably seriously overthinking shit. I'm honestly scared to pause for any reason now because I'm worried people will view my ghosts and question why I paused

I also find the comparisons to other MKs and hypotheticals to be kind of pointless, especially MK64. MKW is it's own game, we have glitch main charts, we don't have game breaking, leave the console on glitches, etc. I get that you probably want to keep things consistent with all MKs but like, most people here and that play MKW probably don't give a fuck about other MKs haha.

And by the way if all controller mods are allowed, I'm breaking out my elastic band again I used it to making clawing and driving rPG auto much easier/more comfortable (not in my PBs, just as I was learning the track, as I thought it was illegal).

I used it to hold down the A button so I could use my left hand to steer and right hand to exclusively hit up/down on the D-pad (as R/B buttons aren't required  for auto). I imagine it could be used for manual too in some cases but I don't claw with manual, so I don't find holding A awkward to begin with.

blahpy wrote on 02/11/19 at 22:16:33:

Because that’s a retarded way of thinking about things. Competition isn’t based upon what you can exploit in the game, it’s based upon rules the community makes to make the competition as enjoyable and fair as possible.

Luck wheelies have never been about luck though; that's just old terminology. It's all timing lol

cutz22 wrote on 02/23/19 at 09:37:15:

Luck wheelies are when 1 frame after a wheelie ends you begin a new one, which loses as little time as possible. This means you have to rapidly press the wheelie button as fast as possible to get one.

I'm glad that top players have found ways of making the technique more consistent. When I was playing, it seemed that what was done was just spamming the wheelie input more or less indiscriminately, and since you can't get an input every frame, it basically comes down to luck whether you hit it or not. If that's the case, then there are certainly skills being tested.

Of course, sometimes old techniques that require quite a bit of skill are superseded on the basis of new techniques. When the weathertenko was found, all of the years of perfecting the old SC methods were instantly superseded. The decision then comes down to whether those currently playing the game want to accept this particular evolution of technique (and whether they care about subsuming their preferences under more general principles, or are content with letting the ruleset be guided by the ad hoc nature of first-order preferences).