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Raγ King Offline seen 4409 mj vids NL, Canada Gender:	Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? 01/02/16 at 13:38:52 Doing this since I would like the honest opinion of the community so we can actually come to a decision.
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Hugo Legend Offline 3670 days karting France Gender:	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #1 - 01/02/16 at 13:44:13 Voted yes cause I pretty much agree with this: WillD wrote on 01/01/16 at 11:20:18: it should be moved to the Pending times list, and off the WR site, then that might force Toad to provide proof.
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Randy166 Ex Member	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #2 - 01/02/16 at 13:45:23 I don't think his WR should be removed. The only way he could have cheated is if he used hacks. Also, any person that has gotten WRs on multiple tracks should be trusted.
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Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed?
Reply #3 - 01/02/16 at 13:53:18

Randy166 wrote on 01/02/16 at 13:45:23:

I don't think his WR should be removed. The only way he could have cheated is if he used hacks. Also, any person that has gotten WRs on multiple tracks should be trusted.

Well, how does one improve a WR by .6 , somehow uses slicks for pasta, but doesn't show any legit proof.
Keep in mind, people can hack MK7. Likewise, what he could have done is...race on a custom track, getting the "WR" ,and putting as "MC2" with laps of his new "WR". We want to make him prove his time, or prove it's indeed a fake by removing it from the sites, that may, or may not force him to prove it or tell it's a fake time. Huh

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Reply #4 - 01/02/16 at 13:59:31

Hugo wrote on 01/02/16 at 13:44:13:

Voted yes cause I pretty much agree with this:

WillD wrote on 01/01/16 at 11:20:18:

it should be moved to the Pending times list, and off the WR site, then that might force Toad to provide proof.

Exactly what i said earlier on skype, removing the time puts him in a position to where he argues his case and proves it or says nothing meaning it's fake

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MK7Jack King Offline 3313 days karting	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #5 - 01/02/16 at 14:04:43 I think yes because it's not on MV anymore or YT he seems suspicious... WHIS WITH ME?!
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JACOB@MK7 Ex Member	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #6 - 01/02/16 at 14:17:18 It should be pended.
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MK7Jack King Offline missed 3313 mts	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #7 - 01/02/16 at 14:22:37 When will the vote end?
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Randy166 Ex Member	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #8 - 01/02/16 at 14:25:55 MK7Jack wrote on 01/02/16 at 14:22:37: When will the vote end? When Ray closes the poll.
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MK7Jack King Offline hit 3313 moles	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #9 - 01/02/16 at 14:38:12 Ok thanks :3
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Reply #10 - 01/02/16 at 15:13:04

40pegh wrote on 01/02/16 at 14:17:18:

It should be pended.

Agreed. I don't know if Toad is very active on YouTube or Miiverse, but we should move his time to the pending list and someone should contact him and give him a date on which he should provide definitive proof. If he fails to do so, his time should be removed.

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Jasmine Karter Offline missed 4427 mts Japan	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #11 - 01/02/16 at 16:08:21 I think he just made a fool of us and WR competition such as Kubica did.　 he has a very bad personality to my knowledge. That WR should be removed once, and he will upload new video in next time
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Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed?
Reply #12 - 01/02/16 at 17:06:38

40pegh wrote on 01/02/16 at 14:17:18:

I don't know if Toad is very active on YouTube or Miiverse

The thing is, he was, and still is active on Miiverse and YouTube. However, he has done suspicious things such as removing his rMC2 "WR" post from Miiverse and removing his RIW WR videos from YouTube as well as not post new ones. However, the reason the RIW WRs aren't suspected is because he provided proper screenshot(s) to prove them, unlike rMC2. This has been an issue long enough, and I'm glad the community is finally coming to a verdict.

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Reply #13 - 01/02/16 at 18:41:05

40pegh wrote on 01/02/16 at 14:17:18:

It should be pended.

Well, I figured "removed" would've simply implied "made pending by being temporarily removed from the rankings and WR archive" since I think a lot of us know the general direction we would like this to go in Roll Eyes

By now I'm sure everyone (or most people at least) who care about the subject in question and/or wanted to vote have voted, so I'll close the poll now. Evidently, the majority agree that it is best to pend (and if necessary, remove) Toad's WR for the time being

Thanks to those that voted and/or commented for your input!

P.S.: If there are complaints about me closing the poll too early, I can re-open it until those that wanted to vote but didn't get to can do so (if there are such people, that is)

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Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed?
Reply #14 - 01/02/16 at 19:08:21

So just to be clear, since more people voted for removed, is this what's going to happen?

Toad's time will be removed from the WR site, to be replaced by レンジでチン's time. It will also be moved from the top 10 list to the pending times list. If Toad provides video evidence of his time, it will be reinstated in both places with the date it was originally claimed (11/3/2015).

This is what I think our course of action should be.

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Reply #15 - 01/02/16 at 19:27:49

WillD wrote on 01/02/16 at 19:08:21:

So just to be clear, since more people voted for removed, is this what's going to happen?

Toad's time will be removed from the WR site, to be replaced by レンジでチン's time. It will also be moved from the top 10 list to the pending times list. If Toad provides video evidence of his time, it will be reinstated in both places with the date it was originally claimed (11/3/2015).

This is what I think our course of action should be.

It would be the appropriate course of action as of now, all things considered. My personal decision is final btw

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Reply #16 - 01/02/16 at 19:53:40

Raγ wrote on 01/02/16 at 18:41:05:

By now I'm sure everyone (or most people at least) who care about the subject in question and/or wanted to vote have voted, so I'll close the poll now. Evidently, the majority agree that it is best to pend (and if necessary, remove) Toad's WR for the time being

Thanks to those that voted and/or commented for your input!

P.S.: If there are complaints about me closing the poll too early, I can re-open it until those that wanted to vote but didn't get to can do so (if there are such people, that is)

Well, I didn't vote in the poll as I've always felt that the discussion in the topic itself is much more important than the poll. For example, nine people have voted no, but so far not a single one of them has made a decent argument as to why they voted no. Is there anyone who would like to clarify their "no" vote?

WillD wrote on 01/02/16 at 19:08:21:

So just to be clear, since more people voted for removed, is this what's going to happen?

Toad's time will be removed from the WR site, to be replaced by レンジでチン's time. It will also be moved from the top 10 list to the pending times list. If Toad provides video evidence of his time, it will be reinstated in both places with the date it was originally claimed (11/3/2015).

This is what I think our course of action should be.

Agreed, but I would really like to insist on giving him a deadline. If he fails to prove himself by then, his WR will forever be removed.

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Reply #17 - 01/02/16 at 22:10:19

Agreed Will. I'd give him 3 months to comply the moment his time is moved to the pending list. Only video proof will suffice. Failure to do so will result in the permanent removal of his 1:08.025, and he will have to provide video proof for all future times in order for them to be counted. Is that a good stipulation?

If this is indeed a legit time, then imo, there should no problem in providing the evidence we need, considering he cut .600 from レンジでチン's time. Any video faster than レンジでチン's record (with his kart combination of course) is good enough for me.

Since custom tracks are a thing now, it is very easy to make a fake time with realistic splits. There are also other hacks that allow for faster times. Should it be mandatory from this point forward to provide a video for all future records? Otherwise, we will run into a similar situation like this one again, and/or we will be accepting times that aren't legit at all. I feel like we shouldn't take that chance, as picture proof just isn't good enough anymore since it doesn't expose whether hacks were used or not. What do you guys think?

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Reply #18 - 01/03/16 at 02:03:51

I definitely agree with you, this time is too good to be let unproven. Toad has everything needed to provide videos. Not making one here is suspicious and shows how bad his mentality is.
This time could have been done with CTs for sure.
And if not, cheat devices also exist (Action Replay I mean), I found them in many shops in France, and it can be used for MK7 according to what's written on the box. I discovered this like 2 weeks ago and it really surprised me, cause I've never seen any video using real cheats on the game.

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MK7Jack King Offline 3313 days karting	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #19 - 01/03/16 at 03:17:35 So his time will be deleted?!
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Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed?
Reply #20 - 01/03/16 at 04:23:13

Zepple wrote on 01/03/16 at 02:03:51:

cause I've never seen any video using real cheats on the game.

This vid uses an ARcode and hacks 3 shrooms in time trial:
https://youtu.be/fGt6WnSIY3g
But the maker of the video said the code, at that moment, wasn't public.

Maybe this one creates opportunities to cheat at WL and MW, idk:
https://youtu.be/VaD7XtmacK8

I vote for moving Toad's time to pending by the way

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Herirm Karter Offline EAT MEAT missed 3435 mts France Gender:	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #21 - 01/03/16 at 09:03:36 Without proof i think we should but he has the run to make it so huh idk
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Raγ King Offline hit 4409 moles NL, Canada Gender:	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #22 - 01/03/16 at 15:21:51 Just a reminder that Toad's time has now been removed and replaced with レンジでチン's 1:08.629, effectively setting his deadline. Jacob's suggestion of a 3 month period to comply seems reasonable. Everyone else agree with this?
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ADAM-XL King Offline Just some MK7 player, learning other MKs hit 3411 moles USA, Iowa Gender:	Re: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed? Reply #23 - 01/03/16 at 15:54:07 Raγ wrote on 01/03/16 at 15:21:51: Just a reminder that Toad's time has now been removed and replaced with レンジでチン's 1:08.629, effectively setting his deadline. Jacob's suggestion of a 3 month period to comply seems reasonable. Everyone else agree with this? Yeah, whatever works is fine
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Reply #24 - 01/03/16 at 16:02:55

I think the deadline idea is a little misguided. The current deadline is April 3rd. If Toad provides a video on lets say April 15th for example, are we simply not going to count it, even though it's certain that it was done legitimately?

My solution would be to keep it on the Pending list and off the WR site indefinitely. I see no reason to ever have it removed entirely, unless new information arises. こけし has times on the pending list from years ago, and no one is giving Erwan a deadline to provide proof of his 1'12 rBC1 NG.

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Did you try doing a mini turbo? That could change everything.

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Question: Should Toad's rMC2 WR (1:08.025) be removed?
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Yes 12 (57.1%) No 9 (42.8%) Total votes: 21 « Created by: Raγ on: 01/02/16 at 13:38:52 »