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Zomothy14 Ex Member	Will MK8 TAS/Emulation be possible? 10/21/15 at 10:47:35 Since MK8 hacking is possible, I wonder if MK8 TASing will be possible too.
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Reply #1 - 10/21/15 at 10:57:12

It's only a matter of time before computer hardware becomes powerful enough to emulate the Wii U. I think that will be in at least 5 years though.

It could be possible for someone with enough dedication and technical skills to TAS the game by constructing a device that behaves like a Wii remote but can be programmed to send an arbitrary sequence of inputs to the console. (Maybe that's not possible, I don't know much about that sort of stuff.)

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Zomothy14 Ex Member	Re: Will MK8 TAS/Emulation be possible? Reply #4 - 10/21/15 at 11:19:41 Diogo wrote on 10/21/15 at 11:17:20: 2017 or even 2016 I don't really see MK8 TASing being possible in 2016.
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Reply #5 - 10/21/15 at 11:24:49

Zomothy14560 wrote on 10/21/15 at 11:19:41:

Diogo wrote on 10/21/15 at 11:17:20:

2017 or even 2016

I don't really see MK8 TASing being possible in 2016.

2016 seems near impossible, and 2017 seems unlikely. PS3 emulation is only beginning to be possible now, and currently only 2 PS3 games can be emulated, usually with single-digit framerates. Emulating the Wii U should be even more difficult (I'm pretty sure the Wii U's hardware is more powerful than the PS3). This is why I'd imagine it will be a few years at least before it's possible to emulate MK8 (remember that MK8 has some of the best graphics on the Wii U).

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Reply #6 - 10/21/15 at 11:39:06

Jazzy wrote on 10/21/15 at 11:24:49:

Zomothy14560 wrote on 10/21/15 at 11:19:41:

Diogo wrote on 10/21/15 at 11:17:20:

2017 or even 2016

I don't really see MK8 TASing being possible in 2016.

2016 seems near impossible, and 2017 seems unlikely. PS3 emulation is only beginning to be possible now, and currently only 2 PS3 games can be emulated, usually with single-digit framerates. Emulating the Wii U should be even more difficult (I'm pretty sure the Wii U's hardware is more powerful than the PS3). This is why I'd imagine it will be a few years at least before it's possible to emulate MK8 (remember that MK8 has some of the best graphics on the Wii U).

You make a good point. MK8 TASing probably won't be possible untill 2019, maybe 2018.

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Reply #8 - 10/21/15 at 13:36:21

hahaae wrote on 10/21/15 at 13:10:19:

I don't think the Wii U's hardware is more complicated than the PS3, lol. Wii U is like... 6 years behind where it should have been. Wii is a joke.

Sure, both the original Wii and Wii U have underpowered hardware. But after all the criticism the Wii got for its poor graphics, I doubt Nintendo would release the Wii U with worse hardware than what had been available from the competition for several years. And even if the Wii U is less powerful than the PS3, it's not by much.

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Reply #9 - 10/21/15 at 14:35:12

Sooner than you think (I think.)
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyE5fMa0jI8

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DJT wrote on 08/04/12 at 08:12:41:

WiiChuck4life, timing wheelies = (y)

TASPlasma wrote on 11/17/15 at 10:06:12:

not claiming that us MKW TASers are perfect, or even good for that matter, but every time you guys attack us, you either only end up demonstrating that you know significantly less about this game than us, or, you provide no resources for us to actually improve, you just say "oh, that run was shit, lmao".

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Reply #10 - 10/21/15 at 16:23:07

DwainiumB wrote on 10/21/15 at 14:35:12:

Sooner than you think (I think.)
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyE5fMa0jI8

This is interesting, although I'm not terribly surprised. It still seems very incomplete - it's not even looking as far developed as the PS3 emulator - and will likely be several years before we can run full games at high framerates. I'm interested to see how fast this will develop...

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Reply #13 - 10/29/15 at 01:14:05

I think it will be possible fearly soon.
A Wii U Emulator is currently in development called cemu.

Check out these links for more information:
https://www.reddit.com/r/cemu/
http://gbatemp.net/threads/release-cemu-wii-u-emulator.399524/

Obviously, by 2017 the emulation will not be perfect. It will most definitly have graphical glitches and all, but I think the game will be kind of playable and will have a first version of a mk8 TAS.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. (:

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DJT wrote on 08/04/12 at 08:12:41:

WiiChuck4life, timing wheelies = (y)

TASPlasma wrote on 11/17/15 at 10:06:12:

not claiming that us MKW TASers are perfect, or even good for that matter, but every time you guys attack us, you either only end up demonstrating that you know significantly less about this game than us, or, you provide no resources for us to actually improve, you just say "oh, that run was shit, lmao".

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Reply #16 - 12/06/15 at 08:07:04

Just an idea, since Wii U has been hacked a lot already, couldn't you make an emulator inside of the Wii U? A tool that runs games with slowmotion frame by frame and lets you set savestates + input tools? I don't expect the first emulator to have great TASing tools so why not get started with such a thing right away?

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Randy166 Ex Member	Re: Will MK8 TAS/Emulation be possible? Reply #17 - 12/06/15 at 18:48:28 Once MK8 TASing is near perfection, do you think that people will try to submit TAS times to the leaderboards?
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Reply #18 - 12/06/15 at 20:56:26

Randy166 wrote on 12/06/15 at 18:48:28:

Once MK8 TASing is near perfection, do you think that people will try to submit TAS times to the leaderboards?

We couldn't ever prevent it since it just needs a single person as dumb as many were back in MKW to destroy TTing for once and all. There will always be players quite new to the community that don't think about how bad consequences it will have for others. But if we made a tool that doesn't allow sending times to the charts made on the TAS tools on console I mentioned we could at least prevent it for the closer future.

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Reply #19 - 12/06/15 at 21:12:27

Blackyboi wrote on 12/06/15 at 08:07:04:

Just an idea, since Wii U has been hacked a lot already, couldn't you make an emulator inside of the Wii U? A tool that runs games with slowmotion frame by frame and lets you set savestates + input tools? I don't expect the first emulator to have great TASing tools so why not get started with such a thing right away?

Just slowmo and savestates alone could result in INSANE crazy TASes for sure.

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Reply #20 - 12/06/15 at 22:23:39

Rhodechill wrote on 12/06/15 at 21:12:27:

Blackyboi wrote on 12/06/15 at 08:07:04:

Just an idea, since Wii U has been hacked a lot already, couldn't you make an emulator inside of the Wii U? A tool that runs games with slowmotion frame by frame and lets you set savestates + input tools? I don't expect the first emulator to have great TASing tools so why not get started with such a thing right away?

Just slowmo and savestates alone could result in INSANE crazy TASes for sure.

Can't tell if you are sarcastic or not, but for example my MKW TASes were all done with 15 FPS and savestates only, and yet they beat frame advance TASers in the time they were made in.

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Reply #21 - 12/07/15 at 07:12:32

Blackyboi wrote on 12/06/15 at 22:23:39:

Rhodechill wrote on 12/06/15 at 21:12:27:

Blackyboi wrote on 12/06/15 at 08:07:04:

Just an idea, since Wii U has been hacked a lot already, couldn't you make an emulator inside of the Wii U? A tool that runs games with slowmotion frame by frame and lets you set savestates + input tools? I don't expect the first emulator to have great TASing tools so why not get started with such a thing right away?

Just slowmo and savestates alone could result in INSANE crazy TASes for sure.

Can't tell if you are sarcastic or not, but for example my MKW TASes were all done with 15 FPS and savestates only, and yet they beat frame advance TASers in the time they were made in.

Key phrase right there. If you want to take the time to make a really good TAS, frame-by-frame is a must.

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Reply #23 - 12/10/15 at 22:30:20

Suuper wrote on 12/07/15 at 07:12:32:

Blackyboi wrote on 12/06/15 at 22:23:39:

Rhodechill wrote on 12/06/15 at 21:12:27:

Blackyboi wrote on 12/06/15 at 08:07:04:

Just an idea, since Wii U has been hacked a lot already, couldn't you make an emulator inside of the Wii U? A tool that runs games with slowmotion frame by frame and lets you set savestates + input tools? I don't expect the first emulator to have great TASing tools so why not get started with such a thing right away?

Just slowmo and savestates alone could result in INSANE crazy TASes for sure.

Can't tell if you are sarcastic or not, but for example my MKW TASes were all done with 15 FPS and savestates only, and yet they beat frame advance TASers in the time they were made in.

Key phrase right there. If you want to take the time to make a really good TAS, frame-by-frame is a must.

Well right as we speak I have beaten the first lap of a TAS made with frame advance TAS input by around 0.1 with the shitty tools once again. Even from the TASer that is considered the best MKW TASer of all time by most ppl

It also depends on the person who is TASing a lot, how good they are with the tools they can use.

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ALAKTORN wrote on 04/27/13 at 08:29:36:

it’s funny to see that Walter is always right in the end

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